Do NONE of us remember last season?

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#41
It was HIS TEAM, HIS tactics and HIS responsibility that got us to 4th/5th last season so forgive me if I don't sign up to your way of thinkin, all seems a bit too depressing for me!
It was also his team and his tactics that got us humiliated v Leicester and Grimsby which left us out of the cups with less chance of injury and fatigue, which could also explain our good run and league possition last season.

I am not anti Jol and i dont want him out but i will question his tactics some times, people like you who wear rose tinted glasses and constantly cover up the cracks would cheer us all the way down to the conference but i like to look at the bigger picture.
 

calv

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#42
Good article.

This is all a load of b*llox. If we had hung on (ie. the ball didn't drop kindly to Baptista or Robbo didn't make an error in judgement), no one would be mentioning how sh*t we are. Even though I admit the 2nd half performance was dissapointing and in the end we didn't deserve the win. But the scum did play out of their skins and I don't expect them to match that level of performance next week. We should have King, Rocha, Berbatov (for a full 90 mins), Jenas & Davids to choose from by then. It's all level, we've still got an awesome chance to get to the final.

We are currently a top six side (hopefully better in a couple years), which means one season we could scrape 4th (or 5th like last season) and the next finish 8th or 10th. It doesn't necessary mean we are getting worse. Last season we got off to a good start and confidence was high, that coupled with an easy fixture list of 40 games meant we exceled. We've done incredibly well in all the cup competitions this year and I still think we are very capable of finishing 6th in the league.

BRING ON THE 2ND LEG!!!

In Jol we trust.
 

SMW1985

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#43
There are some people on this site who just need to get real. Never in the past 15 years has our squad been so good. Never in the past 15 years have we played such good football. I struggle to believe that BMJ is coming in for it from some fans. I believe these fans are determined to undermine our chances of ever achieving success. It seems that way anyway. Do we really think that bringing in a new manager is gunna be the solution? If you do then you obviosuly don´t know very much about our recent history. It doesnt work. Now if those of you who constantly criticise are in fact fans of this great team, then damn well get behind them for a change FFS.
 

paxton_soul

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#44
Sir Alex Ferguson's position was in question a couple of years ago despite his great success. Arsene Wenger has been questioned on occasions by ARSEnal fans.
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Yeah - and they were idiots too....No one is saying Jol is above reproach. What we are saying is that he has got to really screw up before he should be booted out.

A new manager will emphatically NOT sort us out and would cause a massive setback...and no doubt yet more whinging.

Look at David Moyes - one great season was followed by a disaster and the board kept faith and now they are starting to come back again and Moyes is proving why they appointed him in the first place.

Overall direction at Spurs remains on the upward...all that is required is for players and fans a like to grow some fucking balls, stop crying and get on with things - because this spurs team are very capable indeed, they just need to grit their teeth a bit more.

That means matching the physical challenge of teams that want to unsettle us and realising that holding a lead means stopping the other team from playing and not dropping off
 

dirtydave

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#45
am i the only person who thinks we look better than last season.
we did not deserve 4th or 5th last season-no one did, we had a so many, by the odd-goal, dodgy wins, great luck with injuries and the rest of the league was terrible last season too.

at least this year there is some competition between portsmouth, everton, villa, bolton, blackburn, newcastle even reading.

the football we play is better, i see most games and we definately pass it better, we are getting better and better.
i do acknowledge the need for strength on the left, but other than that, we are a faster, quicker, more intelligent unit everywhere else.
which is why i genuinely believe we will win some silverware this season, because we are getting better as the season goes on.

just give it time, our luck has dried up at the moment but there is more to this team than last seasons.
 

tomo

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#46
Well i've sobered up now from last night when in a mini fit of rage I gave Jol grief. I still stand by what I said.

I can't see much any progress from last season.
We are far too inconsistent.
Our league form is shocking considering the money we've spent. Too Negative.
Cup's are Jol saving grace this season. In the UEFA we look fantastic. However, I'd rather be challenging for fourth in the league than Carling cup semi's.

I love Jol as a bloke and still think he can turn around. I having my first doubts about him though
 

Spursfect

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#47
Last season we did over achieve, I have no doubts about that. However, having achieved this in his first full season we as fans, rightly so, expect more and this hasn't happened.

I would never advocate getting rid of BMJ cos he is, arguably the best manager since El Tel but tactically El Tel he is not. Who do we suggest comes in if we get rid of him? Whoever he is will have his own ideas which means more squads ins and outs, which in turn means more transition.

Believe it or not fellow fans we are STILL IN TRANSITION.

The side that played yesterday: Chimbonda, Malbranque, BAE, Thudd, Berbatov, Zokora - All new regulars.

Big Tony - bit part player, will never be a regular

Lennon - still 19 yet we are relying heavily on him as our star player

Robbo - not up to his normal standard (7 yr contract - is he still hungry????)

Dawson - is it me or is he beginning to look jaded?

No Ledley - Our best defender, who when playings brings confidence and stability to our team. May not be the most vocal of captains but is definitely our LEADER.

Defoe - No service no player. He cannot play upfront on his own and never will be able to.

Keano - First long game back since injury and looked like it.

Berbatov - our catalyst.....when he went off any potential chemical explosions became failed experiments (did sound good in my head, not so good on the screen).

Last season we were not as badly disrupted by injuries as we are now.

Taking all of that into consideration I am very happy with our season. We still have weak areas not only in the team but also in our squad, which I am sure will be addressed.

BMJ is still learning how to manage a BIG club, who has he managed before???? I for one think we have the best man for the job, he just has to learn from his mistakes and ensure that our young team continues to learn also.

Last season we were a dour side now we are a little more like the Spurs of old. But like the Spurs sides of the recent past we have a soft mentality that needs to be hardened and that comes with experience.

Lets not be fickle fans, criticise by all means, express your feelings, but never be a 'booer' be a SUPPORTER.

Let's cheer our boys onto SPURFERCTION!!!!

COYS
 
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#48
At half time yesterday, I bet the Jol bashers wouldn't have said what they're saying above. The Ars**** fans were sending messages to Five Live saying things about Wenger which are appearing here about Jol. A couple of mistakes is not a disaster, just very frustrating.

I totally agree with the original post. We are heading in the right direction and we all want success. The problem is that some of us aren't willing to wait. I've waited a long time and if it takes another year or two, I don't care. We're on the way up and as long as that continues, I'm happy.

Still annoyed about last night, but I'll get over it. Remember, we can still win - It ain't over yet.
 

JoeT

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Walworthyid: I beg to differ with your definition of a fan as being someone who thinks that their team is the greatest in the world. That just dosen't hold water, and if you truly believe that you will always be disappointed. A fan - in my opinion - is someone who sees the faults in their team....and criticises some aspects of their team if necessary (it's their right to do this if they are financially suppoorting them). But the bottom line is that they support the team through thick and thin.
And I have to tell many of you on this site that I found some of your posts yesterday to be so vicious and personal - towards each other - that I was truly shocked. With so many terrible things going on in this world, how can someone justify wishing that somebody else would be dead?....over a game of football!
Yesterday's game made me disappointed, just like many of you, but hey let's keep things in a little perspective please.
 

tomo

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#50
The problem is that some of us aren't willing to wait.



Still annoyed about last night, but I'll get over it. Remember, we can still win - It ain't over yet.
Most of us have been waiting all our Spurs supporting lives.
Yeah but we probably won't win it. Seen it too many times before. Valiant defeat gets you nowhere
 
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#51
cant believe some of u r saying jols not at fault he's the toss pot that says keano n defoe cant play together so wots the dick do brings on keano yeah mido's been injured but he wuda had his big/small man partnership that he loves better to keep that he cuda changed it if not workin thats wot subs are 4...!

Y o y r some of u sayin we're still in 4 comps best make that 2 we're fcuked in lge til we can win away n no way we'll do the filth at cash burden!!
 

davidmatzdorf

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cant believe some of u r saying jols not at fault he's the toss pot that says keano n defoe cant play together so wots the dick do brings on keano yeah mido's been injured but he wuda had his big/small man partnership that he loves better to keep that he cuda changed it if not workin thats wot subs are 4...!

Y o y r some of u sayin we're still in 4 comps best make that 2 we're fcuked in lge til we can win away n no way we'll do the filth at cash burden!!
I can recommend a good football team for you - and people like you - to support.


Millwall.


I wonder what it's like being inside the head of someone like you.
 

dcarney75

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#53
Perspective needed I think...

Jermain Defoe
Dimitar Berbatov
Aaron Lennon
Ledley King
Michael Dawson
Tom Huddlestone
Steed Malbranque

Vs...

Moussa Saib
Paolo Tramezzani
Ramon Vega
Chris Armstrong
Jose Dominguez
Helder Postiga
Toda

Yes, there has been the odd Rasiak, and the Carrick offer was simply too good to turn down, but it really doesn't take MI5 to work out that there has been progress made. Yes, last night was annoying and no, we're not Champions' League standard, but the time to judge Jol is in 2/3 years, not in January of his second full season in charge. What we need now is stability, a keen eye for emerging young talent (which I believe we have - would Hoddle/Graham/Francis have got Lennon and Hudd?), and patience on the fans' behalf, although I acknowledge the last of these can be difficult sometimes.

But building a successful football club with genuine, sustainable talent at all levels and flicking a switch are, and will continue to be, two very different things.

COYS!!
 
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#54
Best post by a country mile, well said.

Wrong. No such thing as a 38 game fluke mate, we were by far and away the 5th best team in the league last year. The table doesn't lie after a full season, and the team in 5th deserves to be there.
Unfortunately though, these things are all reset for the next season and you are only as good as your last result/performance.

Sure I'm a little dissapointed by yesterdays result and the season so far in general, but I'm also not one of the morons proving once again how fickle a bunch of supporters we truly are.
Lets look at our position.
Uefa cup - Last 32 at an absolute canter. This has been the platform for some of our better performances this season, perhaps proving that the foreign lads in the team are not quite up to speed yet with the frenetic pace of the prem.

League 9th I believe, and after Man Utd next weekend we have a run of 5 games which include Reading, Sheff utd and Watford which are all winnable and could put us up in the mix again.

League cup and Fa Cup, still in there and fighting, very very fortunate draws so far, but we beat the teams in front of us didnt we?

Jol a legend? No, not yet. Jol make errors? Yep, just like they all do. Sack Jol and bring in someone else? First of all, who?? Second of all, why? Because we're not 1st/2nd/3rd/4th? Because we didnt smash Arsenal last night? Because we've had a few indifferent results/performances? Someone said that Jol was perceived as a genius when we switched to 4-5-1 and beat Chelsea and then perceived as the opposite when we switched to the same and had one against the Arsenal last night. Get real. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. He could have bought on Mido, but he has proven that he simply isnt upto it at the minute, and then if he had bought on Mido and we had lost, surprise, surprise, the moron brigade would be questioning why we didnt bring Keane on and switch to 4-5-1 like "that time when it worked vs chelsea".

Can I also point out one more thing. Yes, we played Arsenals "reserves", but Arsenals' "reserves" are a team that have bonded together in this tournament, smashed Liverpool last time out and are labelled as the future of Arsenal for a reason. Included in the team where these "deadweights"

Almunia - Blinder in the Champions League final
Hoyte - Decent right back
Traore - A very promising left-back, looks like he will be as good as Cole & Clichy. Not sure where Arsenal keep finding them.
Toure - One of Arsenals first choice CB's
Senderos - Mostly average IMO
Fabregas - One of the best footballers in the world
Denilson - No mug, 3.5M for a kid means he is something special, and last night he showed glimpses
Walcott - Another very promising young player. 6-10M wasnt it?
Diaby - Decent CM
Aliadiare - Average
Baptista - Cost Real Madrid upwards of 12M little over a year ago.

Lets make one thing perfectly clear. Arsenal are better than Tottenham. By an absolute mile. I don't like it. You don't like it. But its the truth. For twenty minutes, our near enough first team (missing King & Jenas) were 2-0 up playing some sexy stuff. They deservedly clawed it back, and hopefully it is something we will learn from.

All in all though, some of you guys need to get real, I don't know why I constantly come on this board cos some of the comments embarrass me.

(Oh and alfiespurs this post wasnt a pop at you mate, even though I quoted you at the beginning!)
 

worcestersauce

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I rememer a thread probably a couple of years ago which said that while we were mediocre we at least knew what to expect and we adjusted our expectations accordingly, that way bad results, and there were loads, never quite devastated us. It then gave us a warning that we were getting better and so we'd start hoping for more and the better we got the more we'd want and when that happened it would be a whole nother roller coaster and that we'd better get used to the greater pain that comes with greater success they go hand in hand.
Well it's here now and that thread was right! this is what it's like folks and we'd better get used to it again, just think how much better it will be if we can win the 2nd leg.
Someone earlier said we're not as good as the big four and won't be for another 2 years, well, put another way that's like saying that we'll be as good as the big four in two years time which I think is realistic but we will get these knock backs along the way. Just Keep the Faith!!
 

DC_Boy

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#58
It's great to be optimistic, but it can lead to hopes being dashed. I think it's more likely we'll be further awa from the big four in 2 years time than nearer, unless we get a massive cash injection.

Villa have a lot of extra cash now, as have Pompey. Bolton continue to be a top five/six candidate.

West Ham have won the lottery - and if they survive this year will be in a strong position to push on.

Pool if taken over could well well move up a level, and there's always a chance that Toon will land a mega bucks takeover and spend even more than they do now.

Of course money doesn't equal success, but when was the last time a 'poor' club won the title in England? Ipswich in 62?
 
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