Domenico Berardi

[Everlasting Seconds]

None of the Italian giants or other European elite have signed him, have they?

A) That might change
B) European giants don't wait around for potential. Same thing as with Ross Barkley. If we've got a chance on a half-known player, it's because we are willing to risk more than the giants are. They go "You scored 25+ goals last season, we want you. Name the price". We go "You've got these faults today that we may or may not be able to iron out, we'll take a punt if the final price is correct".

 

[HildoSpur]

If he is in fact available, and you might be right, somebody else will come in for him and swoop him up. He is too well known for Spurs to be able to snag him under the noses of other clubs, IMO:


Exactly right. And that makes Berardi a good choice, however there are other, a little bit less known Serie A players who could fit this gambling category for a lot less money.

If we can sign Eriksen then we can sign Berardi imo.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

If we can sign Eriksen then we can sign Berardi imo.

And I do see your point, but times were different back then I think. We didn't see the same level of beyond crazy pricing in 2013, and we cut a good deal for him at the end of the window. If you want the best of the younger Serie A players and you are ready to pay very much, Berardi is the kid for you. If you have a tight budget and would like the same sort of deal but for less money, there are other options in Serie A.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

And I do see your point, but times were different back then I think. We didn't see the same level of beyond crazy pricing in 2013, and we cut a good deal for him at the end of the window.

Where do you get this belief he is out of our hands? I'm honestly baffled he is quality of Swansea... Please Enlighten me

 

[C0YS]

A) That might change
B) European giants don't wait around for potential. Same thing as with Ross Barkley. If we've got a chance on a half-known player, it's because we are willing to risk more than the giants are. They go "You scored 25+ goals last season, we want you. Name the price". We go "You've got these faults today that we may or may not be able to iron out, we'll take a punt if the final price is correct".

There is another reason giants haven't gone for him. Because there are better players for better value in the italian market.

Everyone in Serie A knows Berardi, they know Sassuolo will sell, for like 35m euro. But, they don't bite because:

a) hes not that good.

b) He is too expensive

We could easily get him if we wanted. The question is would we want to?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Where do you get this belief he is out of our hands? I'm honestly baffled he is quality of Swansea... Please Enlighten me

I would fully expect of Sassuolo to demand a price that we wouldn't want to pay exactly because of the level of risk involved, and there are other Serie A options of more or less the same risk but for a lower price. That's the Spurs way. Step 1: Who would we ideally want? Step 2: Are there similar options for a lower price? Step 3: Buy the option in step 2.

 

[arunspurs]

You play too much Football Manager, and don't watch enough Serie A.

I think he has potential, and was exciting a few years back. But he is not some sought after wonderkid. None of the Italian giants or other European elite have signed him, have they?

You play too much Football manager...
Toby:
You don't watch la liga or PL do you ?
Why should we buy a guy who can't get into Atletico Madrid or plays for Southampton ? No other big clubs are in for him , is it ?

Dembele:
You don't watch PL do you ?
Why should we buy a guy who plays for Fulham ? No other big clubs are in for him , is it ?

Eriksen, Jan,Lloris can I keep going ?

 

[C0YS]

And I do see your point, but times were different back then I think. We didn't see the same level of beyond crazy pricing in 2013, and we cut a good deal for him at the end of the window. If you want the best of the younger Serie A players and you are ready to pay very much, Berardi is the kid for you. If you have a tight budget and would like the same sort of deal but for less money, there are other options in Serie A.

I am a lot more positive about him than DanielJohnCosta, but he is not in the top 10 best younger serie A players.

 

[HildoSpur]

There is another reason giants haven't gone for him. Because there are better players for better value in the italian market.

Everyone in Serie A knows Berardi, they know Sassuolo will sell, for like 35m euro. But, they don't bite because:

a) hes not that good.

b) He is too expensive

We could easily get him if we wanted. The question is would we want to?

The obvious answer is because our manager feels he is a player he could work with and who could fit into the squad. Also he is still young with plenty of opportunities to improve. If it is Berardi we are after then I can see it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

There is another reason giants haven't gone for him. Because there are better players for better value in the italian market.

Everyone in Serie A knows Berardi, they know Sassuolo will sell, for like 35m euro. But, they don't bite because:

a) hes not that good.

b) He is too expensive

We could easily get him if we wanted. The question is would we want to?

We are trying to say exactly the same thing (except bullet point a), but maybe in a different context, or for different reasons.

I am a lot more positive about him than DanielJohnCosta, but he is not in the top 10 best younger serie A players.

I think he is.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

So i've read this thread to get an understanding of the player as I only know a little about him..

I've discovered that he's either:
A) A good young talent, with great potential.
B) Completely and utterly crap.

Cheers for clearing that up guys...

 

[C0YS]

We are trying to say exactly the same thing (except bullet point a), but maybe in a different context, or for different reasons.


I think he is.

But he is not better than:

Bellotti, Bernardeschi, Donnarumma, Pellegrini, Romagnoli, Rugani, Benassi, Conti, Caldara, Gagliardini and Chiesa.

Not clearly better anyway.

 

[C0YS]

So i've read this thread to get an understanding of the player as I only know a little about him..

I've discovered that he's either:
A) A good young talent, with great potential.
B) Completely and utterly crap.

Cheers for clearing that up guys...

Hes a good young talent with some potential, but isn't and probably never will be as good as people thought he could be.
He could be alright as an option, but I dont see him threatening our starting line up any time soon.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

But he is not better than:

Bellotti, Bernardeschi, Donnarumma, Pellegrini, Romagnoli, Rugani, Benassi, Conti, Caldara, Gagliardini and Chiesa.

Not clearly better anyway.

True that

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Many problems with Italian football, the federation, the league, the mentality of fans, owners and tactics of recent years but the up and bunch of 22-21 year olds is getting me excited.... Berardi is not one

 

[Syn_13]

So i've read this thread to get an understanding of the player as I only know a little about him..

I've discovered that he's either:
A) A good young talent, with great potential.
B) Completely and utterly crap.

Cheers for clearing that up guys...

The truth is generally somewhere in between. He was a great young talent and prospect about 2 years ago but not so much now. Still a good player, completely and utterly crap is very unfair to him, but he may not realise his potential.

Juve flirted about with him for a couple of years but he didn't want to join and end up being 3rd or 4th choice. Plus, having Zaza on their books at the time meant they couldn't afford taking a punt on another youngster, nor could Sassuolo afford to give him up as they'd lose both of their main forwards.

He is a good player, but I do get why people say he's not as exciting prospect as the likes of Bernadeschi and Chiesa. I would actually draw a close comparison to Barkley, in the sense that because they've been around for a while and were tipped to become stars yet haven't, people are now writing them off as being lost causes and feeling generally underwhelmed. Both are still young enough to make it big but it's a gamble.

 

[thelak]

Just be glad you're too young to remember Nicola Berti.

Or the wonderful Paolo Tramezanni

 

[GetSpurredOn]

He is a good player, but I do get why people say he's not as exciting prospect as the likes of Bernadeschi and Chiesa. I would actually draw a close comparison to Barkley, in the sense that because they've been around for a while and were tipped to become stars yet haven't, people are now writing them off as being lost causes and feeling generally underwhelmed. Both are still young enough to make it big but it's a gamble.

Suppose this is where we have to place faith in our scouting and management/coaching. Maybe if these players had realised their potential, they'd already be out of our league financially. However, assuming the potential is still there, and off he back of a season or so where that upward curve has stalled, they suddenly become attainable. The big question has to be, was that hope misplaced, and they've peaked, one for the scouting team to decipher, and secondly, do out coaches believe they can unlock that potential.
Will they be a Danny Rose, a player who was loaned to Sunderland as he'd stalled, but Poch and his gang have polished the talent that was still showing glimpses, into arguably England's premier LB/LWB. Or, will Barkley and Berardi be a Townsend, a player who initially showed signs he was destined to be the next great hope, but ultimately was found to have just peaked early.

 

[Ben1]

I can't claim to know enough about this particular case. But the market for slightly fallen potential is always worth a look, especially when struggling to compete financially with big clubs. Football moves so fast, the new kid on the block has a year of firing form and then is faced with a decision usually of stay or go, some stay loyal, some hit the big time. It's different for each player but plenty make the wrong decision for them. A year later and no one cares about you anymore, hotshot to just another name. The right coaching and atmosphere to pull a player out of a dip and there could be a relatively cheap talent there.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I guess then, like Barkley, he is a player that if he had carried on progressing in line with the first couple of seasons he would now be a £45m (or + in this market) player but has faltered slightly.

If we feel that we can resurrect the potential and then improve upon it we are buying a player that would have been out of our league. There is a risk. But it's a strategy...


*EDIT: Just read the two posts above mine which basically say the same thing.....