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Bails

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Jul 1, 2006
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It seems now the decision has been made

Carrick over Huddlestone


Upson over Dawson

trying to be unbiased (very hard) i personally dont agree with the decisions

Huddlestone has been in a 2 man midfiled (rather than the other England palyers mainly in 3) and had to defensively carry the liability sometimes of Palacios and flair of Modric and has got us to champions league vs someone who hardly ever starts at a club just two places above

carrick has a bit more experience but hudd is in form

and then dawson has played almost every game and been 'triffic' all season vs someone who almost got relegated and form has been in and out

i feel very sorry for our two tottenham players over the decisions

perhaps one was understandable and i believed carrick would get the nod but both is a shock to me and i think dawson who was member 24 at the last championship is unlucky again
 

lukespurs7

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Feb 21, 2006
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Hmm yea two very close calls. I can understand them though. Carrick and Upson played in alot of the qualifying games especially Upson. Although going on end of season form Dawson would smash Upson and Hudd would edge Carrick, they both came into the squad for the first time really so to put them both in ahead of players with alot more INTERNATIONAL experience mabye wouldn't make sense. Shame because Dawson>Upson Carrick and Hudd are about the same at the moment. One dissapointing thing is that Dawson didn't get anygametime at all that was a shame.

Oh well good luck to Leadly,Lennon,Crouch and JD! Euro 2012 we'll have all 6 of them in the squad 4 sure!
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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4 Spurs players in the England squad. Only Chelsea has an equal amount of players in the team. And Cole wont be a chelsea player for long. Actually it could be 5 spurs players in england before the tournament starts!
 

Maske2g

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Feb 1, 2005
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Upson is a disgusting joke. So is Carragher. Neither could lace Dawson's boots this season.

Come on Cameroon.
 

brendanb50

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I agree with all the thoughts so far.

I think looking past this WC, if Dawson shows the same consistency/form and Hudd continues his improvement after an excellent year this year, they'll both be in the squad for Euro 2012 without question.

A couple of 'IF's' there but they're clearly both in Fabio's plans and i fancy him to see his contract out after the next Euro's.

I feel mostly for Daws though, a bit of a bottled choice IMO.
 

Maske2g

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I agree with all the thoughts so far.

I think looking past this WC, if Dawson shows the same consistency/form and Hudd continues his improvement after an excellent year this year, they'll both be in the squad for Euro 2012 without question.

A couple of 'IF's' there but they're clearly both in Fabio's plans and i fancy him to see his contract out after the next Euro's.

I feel mostly for Daws though, a bit of a bottled choice IMO.

Absolutely. "I will pick the players in form" Bollocks Fabio. A lie.
 

ErikTheViking

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No problem with Carragher, as he can fill the rigth back, no idea how someone can pick Upson over Dawson, but I guess since Upson been more involved during the qualifying mr. Capello know what he gets, and as a fourth option he goes with what he knows.

I wouldn't swap Huddlestone with Carrick for Tottenham, but if I was in Capellos shoes I go with Carrick as well, more experience from international level, that is important in a world cup, and none of them is going to be a differencemaker anyway.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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I wouldn't have taken Barry, because he'll miss the group games anyway, and will he be sharp enough and fit enough when he does return? I doubt it. I would've dropped Barry for Huddlestone and Upson for Dawson.
 

yiddodiddodo

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I would of taken Carrick, and dawson and also not taken SWP but Adam Johnson
 

ealingspur

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Chelsea - 4 (Lampard, J Cole, A. Cole, Terry)
Spurs - 4 (King, Crouch, Defoe, Lennon)
Man City - 3 (Hart, SWP, Barry)
Liverpool - 3 (Carragher, Gerrard, G. Johnson)
Aston Villa - 3 (Warnock, Milner, Heskey)
United - 3 (R. Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney)
West Ham - 2 (Upson, Green)
Portsmouth - 1 (James)
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YiddoJames

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Aug 9, 2005
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I think I'm right in saying this means we stay top of the all time list for England World Cup squad players.

In other words Spurs have had more Eng World Cup players selected than any team. I think Man Utd were second, one behind, although this could have been before 2006.

Be interested if anyone has the correct stat.
 

kernowspur

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Huddlestone's opportunity was against Japan and he did not do enough to be chosen. His passing was not as good as it usually is and he was shown up as being immobile and slow to turn. No surprise that he has not been chosen.
Dawson is a diiferent matter, he is better than Upson and should have been in the 23.
 

TheBlueRooster

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I don't think Daws was ever going to make the cut, I think he was in the 30 to get international experience. Hud was cover if Barry broke down.

Huds performance against Japan was OK but may have been better if a few of the experienced players around him performed better. Cashley, Wallnut & Rooney were awful and with Azza on the left it didn't give him much chance to shine.
 

chinaman

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In a way, this benefits us and I would not like to see over half of our first eleven not having enough rest coming back from the WC and then playing the qualifiers for the CL in a matter of weeks.
 

brasil_spur

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Aug 25, 2006
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Upson has been shit for England when he's played, so i feel really bad for Dawson.

However with King in the squad Upson will never get a look in.

I can see why he went with Carrick over the Hudd, although again i think it is a mistake, as is taking Barry, who is unlikely to feature before the knock out stages.
 

hughy

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Nov 18, 2007
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Chelsea - 4 (Lampard, J Cole, A. Cole, Terry)
Spurs - 4 (King, Crouch, Defoe, Lennon)
Man City - 3 (Hart, SWP, Barry)
Liverpool - 3 (Carragher, Gerrard, G. Johnson)
Aston Villa - 3 (Warnock, Milner, Heskey)
United - 3 (R. Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney)
West Ham - 2 (Upson, Green)
Portsmouth - 1 (James)
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This has to be the least amount of club teams to be represented by a World Cup squad...
 

hughy

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And I'm going to ask here, because I can - when do the squad numbers get announced? Lennon best get 7...
 

danielneeds

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Two spurs players in form missed out to two players with experience.

Then again Defoe, who is in wretched form, scraped in ahead of Bent, because he has more experience.

Swings and roundabouts.

Personally I would have taken Dawson and Johnson ahead of Upson and SWP, but pretty happy with the squad overall.
 

hughy

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Two spurs players in form missed out to two players with experience.

Then again Defoe, who is in wretched form, scraped in ahead of Bent, because he has more experience.

Swings and roundabouts.

Personally I would have taken Dawson and Johnson ahead of Upson and SWP, but pretty happy with the squad overall.


If anyone scraped in ahead of Bent it was Heskey. Who has only scored about 3 competative England goals in the last 10 years or something ridiculous. His link-up play isn't nearly as good as everyone says it is. The only thing he has going for him is the strength of about 4 men.
 
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