ENIC...

[KaribYid]

After failing to invest in the team during one of our highest points in the club's history, the failed Mourinho experiment, and now this ESL debacle, its not looking too good for Levy.

Surely this has to be the final nail in the coffin? Even his most ardent supporters can't defend this, surely?

They will.

 

[alexis]

I don't see any parties showing their hand. Allegedly there was an £800 million offer for 50% ownership last year and it was turned down because DL doesn't want to give up control in that kind of scenario.

Maybe the wish was to leverage the fk out of the club and mire us in debt

 

[Metalhead]

Maybe the wish was to leverage the fk out of the club and mire us in debt

Certainly possible - who knows.

 

[spursfan77]

Maybe the wish was to leverage the fk out of the club and mire us in debt

That’s exactly what any new owner will be doing. We are pretty fucked if we want us to be bought out. I’d much prefer an oil billionaire with questionable morals to an investment company sucking millions out of the club each year like the Glaziers.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Was Jose sacked on the eve of a cup final so that the club potentially saved millions of pounds for an unfair dismissal claim

Has ENIC cost us the chance of our first piece of silverware in 13 years for the sake of a law suit and a few million quid in a settlement?

It’s clear Jose didn’t have everyone pulling in the same direction and a change was needed but surely with 14 finals on his CV and 12 victories he’s got far more chance of lifting the cup on Sunday that poor old Ryan Mason!

Yes he masterminded us to the final. Great wins against fierce opposition from Wycombe Wanderers and Brentwood from the Championship. However perhaps his greatest genius was shown in disposing of mighty Orient by getting them Covid tested. Sheer brilliance filling me with unbridled confidence in his ability to win any game.

 

[YiddoBirdy]

I think people really forget what position we were in before Enic took control. They took over in 2001 and our previous 10 seasons prior to the takeover our highest league finish was 7th and we were very much a bang average premier league team.

Now we can be considered as a ‘Big club’ and we’ve finished in the top 6 at least in the past 10 seasons. Also made it to the final of the biggest club competition in the world. And have built one of the best sports stadiums.

If the super league went ahead and we weren’t apart of it. The gap between us and the other teams would grow and we’d be left behind. And even more people would be saying Enic out. 10 years ago we wouldn’t even be part of this super league conversation so think how far we’ve come...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think people really forget what position we were in before Enic took control.

I think people have been remembering it for waaaaay too long. People know what he's done, there's been no forgetting, people generally acknowledge the positive aspects, but it's past it's sell by date now, you can't keep on and on and on with the same thing every time he gets criticised......."look where we were", it's had it's day now, so has Levy. It simply doesn't justify anything, especially this and people really need to stop using it (IMO naturally)

 

[YiddoBirdy]

I think people have been remembering it for waaaaay too long. People know what he's done, there's been no forgetting, people generally acknowledge the positive aspects, but it's past it's sell by date now, you can't keep on and on and on with the same thing every time he gets criticised......."look where we were", it's had it's day now, so has Levy. It simply doesn't justify anything, especially this and people really need to stop using it (IMO naturally)

Yes but do you not think we are still on a upward curve if you look at the bigger picture. Yes the last two seasons have been a blip but with potential income the stadium can generate we will continue to grow and progress as a club.

I don’t see how people think new owners will come in and we’ll suddenly start winning trophy’s and everything will be all rosy

 

[Gassin's finest]

Yes but do you not think we are still on a upward curve if you look at the bigger picture. Yes the last two seasons have been a blip but with potential income the stadium can generate we will continue to grow and progress as a club.

I don’t see how people think new owners will come in and we’ll suddenly start winning trophy’s and everything will be all rosy

No, we're on a downward trend now, have been for almost 2 seasons since Madrid.

The magic trophy arguement is tedious. It's about genuinely wanting to compete, rather than always looking for the net.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Yes but do you not think we are still on a upward curve if you look at the bigger picture. Yes the last two seasons have been a blip but with potential income the stadium can generate we will continue to grow and progress as a club.

I don’t see how people think new owners will come in and we’ll suddenly start winning trophy’s and everything will be all rosy

I'm not sure very many people do think a change of owners will result in trophies straight away. I think we'd like to see new owners who have the philosophy that they want to win things and act accordingly. I don't think that's too much to ask. After the events of the past couple of days, I don't see how anyone can still not realise what Levy is in it for.

 

[floydiohead]

For those who say they want the chairman/owners out, who do you want instead? What is your expectation about what they should contribute to the club, and how?

 

[YiddoBirdy]

I'm not sure very many people do think a change of owners will result in trophies straight away. I think we'd like to see new owners who have the philosophy that they want to win things and act accordingly. I don't think that's too much to ask. After the events of the past couple of days, I don't see how anyone can still not realise what Levy is in it for.

Pretty sure every owner is in it for the money. They’re businessman at the end of the day and it’s a investment a new owner would be no different.
Of course levy wants to win things as that will bring more fans and more money. We have built the stadium which has affected our ability to compete in the transfer market but it has set us up to invest in players in the future.

 

[YiddoBirdy]

No, we're on a downward trend now, have been for almost 2 seasons since Madrid.

The magic trophy arguement is tedious. It's about genuinely wanting to compete, rather than always looking for the net.

Yea I said minus the last two seasons. Football fans are two fickle one bad result and everyone’s calling for Levy’s head. Need to take a step back and realise we’ve built the foundations to really compete with the best. Once we start generating big match day income this will enable us to invest in the team and success will follow I firmly believe that and have full faith that Enic will deliver.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Pretty sure every owner is in it for the money.

That doesn't make this acceptable, not even close.

Of course levy wants to win things as that will bring more fans and more money.

His priority is to compete, his statement (i've mentioned this before) drew a response from I think it was Liverpool's chief exec that the difference in mentality is that Levy wants to compete for trophies, Liverpool's philosohy is to win them.

Of course Levy would be happy to win a trophy but his approach is shotgun, if we compete, we might win one, Liverpool's is to go that step further and to push for it, to act like it. Very many people on SC have remarked on the lack of direction and philosophy, It's a huge difference that shouldn't be dismissed,

But hey-ho, some people won't have it, that's cool. This is going to run and run anyway

 

[brasil_spur]

I think people really forget what position we were in before Enic took control. They took over in 2001 and our previous 10 seasons prior to the takeover our highest league finish was 7th and we were very much a bang average premier league team.

Now we can be considered as a ‘Big club’ and we’ve finished in the top 6 at least in the past 10 seasons. Also made it to the final of the biggest club competition in the world. And have built one of the best sports stadiums.

If the super league went ahead and we weren’t apart of it. The gap between us and the other teams would grow and we’d be left behind. And even more people would be saying Enic out. 10 years ago we wouldn’t even be part of this super league conversation so think how far we’ve come...

I'd also add that we've done all this in a time when financially doped clubs are rife. People always look for the greener grass, but IMO there's no chance that getting rid of ENIC will improve things, and in fact it's more likely we'll end up with dodgier owners who are less interested in our club than the current ones.

 

[cider spurs]

For those who say they want the chairman/owners out, who do you want instead? What is your expectation about what they should contribute to the club, and how?

Not sure of names.

But a consistent structure from top to bottom would be a start. Owners with a bit more emphasis on our on field ambition would be nice.

I'm not saying spending to the point of potential ruin. But our current setup isn't going to see us as anything other than also rans.

There has been far too many failures through poor decision making, or hesitancy to push on when needed.

There was never, nor will there be, an excuse for not adding a single player in a transfer window. That IMHO doesn't equate to the current set up driving us on.

So I'd want new stewardship to put the football first and foremost, balance the books by all means. But a net profit data sheet in a dusty trophy cabinet doesn't float my boat all that much.

 

[Shadydan]

All this ENIC need to go, I agree they do as I think their time is up but let's be real they're not going anywhere, we're not going to find a buyer especially in such a depressed market who will grossly undervalue the club so we are stuck with them for the foreseeable, we just need to get used to it, a protest will not do anything.

 

[dontcallme]

All this ENIC need to go, I agree they do as I think their time is up but let's be real they're not going anywhere, we're not going to find a buyer especially in such a depressed market who will grossly undervalue the club so we are stuck with them for the foreseeable, we just need to get used to it, a protest will not do anything.

The owners is one thing fans have little control over. Ashley has the hate of Newcastle fans even more than us for Levy but until they get a buyer he's going nowhere.

We have spent bigger over the last 2 seasons. Our managerial appointments have been a scattergun approach with some successes. Just have to hope the next manager is a good one.

 

[olliec]

Th

I think people really forget what position we were in before Enic took control. They took over in 2001 and our previous 10 seasons prior to the takeover our highest league finish was 7th and we were very much a bang average premier league team.

Now we can be considered as a ‘Big club’ and we’ve finished in the top 6 at least in the past 10 seasons. Also made it to the final of the biggest club competition in the world. And have built one of the best sports stadiums.

If the super league went ahead and we weren’t apart of it. The gap between us and the other teams would grow and we’d be left behind. And even more people would be saying Enic out. 10 years ago we wouldn’t even be part of this super league conversation so think how far we’ve come...

That was Poch mainly not Enic. He was never backed and worked miracles with our squad.

 

[dontcallme]

Th

That was Poch mainly not Enic. He was never backed and worked miracles with our squad.

But do you not find it suspicious that the only manager we didn't spend under was Poch? It seems pretty evident that he turned down a high number of targets.

Poch talked often of slow integration and keeping players for a long time. So I can't believe the complete lack of spend was completely on Levy.