Eric Dier - Signed

[beats1]

Yes it was.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/features/home-grown-quota-for-premier-league.html

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore believes the England team will ultimately reap the rewards of the ruling which he feels will discourage Clubs from hoarding young, overseas players.

"It's not in the Club's interests to stockpile players," said Scudamore. "It will make buying Home Grown talent more attractive.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this means is that you can't just buy a team from abroad.

"We think it gives Clubs an exta incentive to invest in youth and we also think one of the benefits of that will be that it will help the England team."

The UEFA rule does not affect teams in the PL, it only affects the squads teams submit for UEFA competitions. The PL adopted a similar format for their HG rules but as shown by Scudmore's comments, the National team was very much in the thinking.

No the original rule was to promote academies. However Scudamore was getting flack for not caring about the english national team, which he doesnt but the rule wasn't done to promote the england national team.

He says even in the bit you highlighted that it makes club invest in their youth programs and that would benefit the national team but he did say it was done for the national team.

The reason Scudamore did the rule was to limit the amount of foreigners coming in, clubs wouldnt agree to a cap so they just enforced part of the uefa rule. The uefa rule is 8 homegrown players as well as 3/4 club trained players.

The clubs wouldnt agree to a quota so they just used this instead, i.e. the UEFA imposed Quota.

Also Eric Dier isn't a future England player, he is atm either a future england player or a future Portugal player. If he picks Portugal how does that benefit the national team.

He also clearly says its not about the nationality test(which is what Dier is) but to stop teams hoarding foreign players

 

[SpartanSpur]

Liked the look of that vid of him against Benfica.

Massive game for such a young player and he looked very composed throughout.

One of the things that stood out to me was how often he won possession and in one touch have the ball to a team mate. Can see why we like him.

 

[beats1]

I expect to see him interacting with Walker beside him in English, and Paulinho and Sandro ahead of him in Portuguese.

The ability to communicate fluently with our English and Brazilian/Portuguese players really adds an interesting dimension to his game.

Also, I'm told Portuguese speakers tend to be able to understand a lot of Spanish, but Spanish speakers struggle with understanding Portuguese.

Walker doesnt speak english, he's from Yorkshire

 

[Mattspur]

No the original rule was to promote academies. However Scudamore was getting flack for not caring about the english national team, which he doesnt but the rule wasn't done to promote the england national team.

He says even in the bit you highlighted that it makes club invest in their youth programs and that would benefit the national team but he did say it was done for the national team.

The reason Scudamore did the rule was to limit the amount of foreigners coming in, clubs wouldnt agree to a cap so they just enforced part of the uefa rule. The uefa rule is 8 homegrown players as well as 3/4 club trained players.

The clubs wouldnt agree to a quota so they just used this instead, i.e. the UEFA imposed Quota.

Also Eric Dier isn't a future England player, he is atm either a future england player or a future Portugal player. If he picks Portugal how does that benefit the national team.

He also clearly says its not about the nationality test(which is what Dier is) but to stop teams hoarding foreign players

Why did he want to limit the amount of foreigners coming in?

 

[HappySpur]

There seemed to be Sporting fans aggrieved at the low fee, but as sure as everyone having arseholes there is always a fan who wasn't bothered to lose player x because they were 'crap anyway'..

Well which is it, with them? Is he shit or is he worth a better fee. They are already annoying me

 

[beats1]

Why did he want to limit the amount of foreigners coming in?

FIFA wanted to impose a 6+5 rule but they couldn't due to european law, UEFA wanted leagues to adopt the homegrown rule instead which had been going for a while

He didnt have a choice, the football league clubs had voted for it to be imposed from the championship to League 2 and the FA wanted it to be imposed across the leagues

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

I expect to see him interacting with Walker beside him in English, and Paulinho and Sandro ahead of him in Portuguese.

The ability to communicate fluently with our English and Brazilian/Portuguese players really adds an interesting dimension to his game.

Also, I'm told Portuguese speakers tend to be able to understand a lot of Spanish, but Spanish speakers struggle with understanding Portuguese.

While I like the idea of that, I think all our players should speak or try to speak English.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Excellent signing at a bargain price to boot. Very pleased

 

[tony_parkes]

I think the word pretty much gives you the answer to that.

HOME GROWN

Dier was not "grown" in England

But if he left England aged 6, does it not count that he grew a lot from being born to aged 6 and therefore he did grow at home and could therefore be home grown?

 

[Mouse!]

While I like the idea of that, I think all our players should speak or try to speak English.

I agree, but you can imagine it being useful in a game situation where the likes of Dier or Paulinho needs to urgently communicate a point to the other.

At least until Paulinho learns to speak fluent English.

 

[Sweech]

A guy that is fluent in two languages will always be helpful.

 

[Flashspur]

I agree, but you can imagine it being useful in a game situation where the likes of Dier or Paulinho needs to urgently communicate a point to the other.

At least until Paulinho learns to speak fluent English.

Paulinho's English is actually not bad

 

[not_tenth-again]

Sounds like we have stolen him and with no sell on clauses makes this a very typical Levy deal.

We've bent them over is what I reckon.... I'm not a fan of screwing over a noted talent developer like Sporting. I just hope they don't have a long memory, I'd hate to see us locked out of the picture when their next big talent comes through.

 

[not_tenth-again]

But if he left England aged 6, does it not count that he grew a lot from being born to aged 6 and therefore he did grow at home and could therefore be home grown?

I agree, the rule should be based on height. The average kid at 6 is probably 65% of their adult height, therefore he is undoubtably British home grown and not Portugese home grown.

 

[SandroClegane]

Paulinho's English is actually not bad

Not having a go, but what's this based on?

 

[arunspurs]

Not sure, if this article was quoted here before...
Interesting read regarding Dier's release clause.

http://www.thetottenhamway.com/2014...ric-dier-s-contract-to-sign-him-on-the-cheap/

 

[Gbspurs]

The rule was made to promote teams to use their academies to develop players. It accomplishes this.

The rule was made to promote teams to use their academies to develop players. It accomplishes this.

 

[worcestersauce]

So to summarise, he is English and so can play for the English national team but he "grew" up in Portugal so isn't home "grown" for an English football club, seems simple enough to me.
No surprise that the Guardian puts up a negative comment, they never change do they.

 

[Atarrier]

I agree, the rule should be based on height. The average kid at 6 is probably 65% of their adult height, therefore he is undoubtably British home grown and not Portugese home grown.

You're starting to sound like my dealer

 

[degoose]

English or not, he hasn't developed in England at all. He's been in Portugal since he was six. Which kind of makes you think the Portuguese commentary is a bit odd as he's been on their books for 14 years. And while I get it that his first senior year was two years ago, he played 13 times. And to write him off as shit after 14 games.....well that makes him more of a Yiddo than a Portugeezer

also the portugal national team have been trying to get him playing for them as he qualifies but he said he wanted to play for england. If he is that rubbish then why did they want him to play for the national team so much.