Eric Dier

[robhumphreys]

I didn't tone anything down, I said that hes a nice guy in my first two posts yesterday. He is a nice man, shit footballer. People hate him the player, not the man. Sorry if that needed to be said explicitly. Fans hate him, you hear the shit shouted at him at games and on online. It's not because they think hes a bad man, it's because they are sick of his weak performances and the fact hes been part of the last 3 failed regimes.

You are right he did play a lot in the 2016 shambles and was useful from the bench in 2018... 5 years ago. He was decent 5 years ago when he had a bit more mobility as a younger man and still able to move around in midfield. Plus England did have a very weak central midfield during that period. If this thread was 5 years ago I wouldn't be saying he is bad but it's not.

500 games now in his legs and you're still trying to talk about him being able to be coached to be better like there is still some development left , you're the one making shit up.

Love how you're saying things as if they're facts.
1. He's a shit footballer. Wrong He's not, he's got over 40 caps for England. He was poor last season when playing through with an injury to help the club you say you support.
2. Fans hate him. Some do yes but anyone who hates a player and shouts abuse is not worthy of being called a fan. Looking at this site, most support him even if they feel as I do that he should only be squad player next season.

 

[mdharris]

His intention was to be needlessly insulting towards a loyal and well liked player. That's what people have a problem with.

I think you’re being a bit too sensitive. It’s a football forum. He’s been very poor for years, and is one of the players we will need to upgrade. And the timing of the documentary, after one of his poorest seasons, is a bit tone deaf from the club. But that’s not surprising.

 

[bc205]

I think you’re being a bit too sensitive. It’s a football forum. He’s been very poor for years, and is one of the players we will need to upgrade. And the timing of the documentary, after one of his poorest seasons, is a bit tone deaf from the club. But that’s not surprising.

And i don't have a problem with most of that viewpoint. I have a problem with people who can't discuss our players without insulting them.

This is meant to be a forum for Tottenham fans. In my book being a fan means you support the players, not insult them.

If that means people think i'm being too sensitive then that's fine by me.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

And the timing of the documentary, after one of his poorest seasons, is a bit tone deaf from the club.

How so?

its not a "hype" video about how great he is. It's a retrospective of his career, and a look at who he is as a person. A lot of the Doc is just people talking about him, their interactions with him, how is is in training, and away from football.

When you have people spouting off at the mouth when they have not watched it - that's just people with an agenda - and, in my experience, those people will always find something to bitch and moan about.

 

[Thenewcat]

Great. You could post a similar clip reel on every premiership footballer. Still wouldn't make any of them shit footballers.

So every player in the Prem had as bad a season as Dier then?

Fuck me you love a straw man don’t you. That clip is hilarious because 1) you could do it for literally any footballer who has played for a while and 2) what’s funny is that he doesn’t even do much wrong in several of the clips there. Its an example of people starting with their opinion (Dier is terrible) then working backwards (we’ve conceded a goal so how can I pin the blame on Dier).

anyway, the point is you posted the clip, so the onus is on you to show why it’s meaningful (hint: it’s not). Pointing out it is meaningless isn’t an opinion on Dier at all

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I am just going to leave this here, and walk away from the thread for a bit. But, I have only been following Spurs for about 15 years - so not the lifetime that most of you have.

When I hear former players, from previous eras, talk about Tottenham - it is ALWAYS with love in their heart. There is always a special connection they feel with the club no matter how long they were here. And, its never about the things they won here - its about the relationship between the players and the supporters, and the love and connection they felt from the supporters.

We are slowly, but surely, losing that connection, that part of what makes supporting this club special. When we abuse the players, even on here, it bleeds out into the real world, on social media, in the stadium, and elsewhere.

Its easy to blame years of frustration building up - but I have a responsibility to see that my frustration at the situation is not directed at the people who are trying hard to entertain, and play for the club I support. Players who put in the effort will always deserve our support - because, no matter where they came from - when they are wearing a Spurs shirt - they are one of our own. They have always been family, and we should do our best to support them.

 

[Phil_2.0]

I think he organizes the defense well. He won more aerial battles than anyone on Spurs.

I think he passes the ball well when he does not think about it - and I think under Ange, this could be the case - where he wants quick passes, and will expect the CMs to show for the defenders.

I think he defends well - which is not to say he does not have a mistake in him. He is not aggressive like a Romero, but is more of a keep the body between the ball and the goal defender.

He was dispossessed only 3 times last season - compared to 10 for Romero or 8 for Lenglet


When we concede goals - the team concedes goals, not individual players. Under a new set-up, and with a more aggressive 6, I could see us improve in this area on tactics alone.

Again - he is at the end of his career - we can improve with a younger player. But this is still a player who earned an England call-up to the WC - last season. He is not a "shit" footballer - no matter how convoluted you make the definition.

I do need to see these stats you are quoting because if thats total its obviously meaningless considering he played the most out of on any defender and was in the box the most. Dipossesed only 3 times? That stat probably does indicate much other than the fact Lenglet and Romero would receive the ball in less space being closer to the touch line more often and higher up the pitch.

See I think hes a better passer when he has more time, when hes under pressure and turn to use his left foot he weak. He gets himself into awkward positions and can't turn or receive it correctly because hes slow to turn

I do not think he defends well, he started to stand off lots because he has no pace to recover. Like Toby did towards the end, where you stand off forever because you don't have the explosion to recover or make a tackle you just let people shoot past you and score regularly, which happened a lot...

I don't think he organizes at all, I go to the games and sit close to the pitch, he really does not talk much. It's surprising how much he shrinks at times when it gets hectic, this leadership nonsense is odd because I think it's all pretty much down to the fact he is a very nice welcoming man behind the scenes. That is some benefit to the club but it's like 0.001% of what we need right now.

Also Dier sometimes is way too slow to press into midfield. Hes solid in the air but not dominant, if you are going to be a deep defender i'd want John Terry to be in there dominating duels but he really is just about competing.

I don't really care about the England call up at a weak position, Conor Coady went to the World Cup and is in the championship now. I think you'll be surprised what level Dier goes to when he ends his contract here.

 

[Thenewcat]

I am just going to leave this here, and walk away from the thread for a bit. But, I have only been following Spurs for about 15 years - so not the lifetime that most of you have.

When I hear former players, from previous eras, talk about Tottenham - it is ALWAYS with love in their heart. There is always a special connection they feel with the club no matter how long they were here. And, its never about the things they won here - its about the relationship between the players and the supporters, and the love and connection they felt from the supporters.

We are slowly, but surely, losing that connection, that part of what makes supporting this club special. When we abuse the players, even on here, it bleeds out into the real world, on social media, in the stadium, and elsewhere.

Its easy to blame years of frustration building up - but I have a responsibility to see that my frustration at the situation is not directed at the people who are trying hard to entertain, and play for the club I support. Players who put in the effort will always deserve our support - because, no matter where they came from - when they are wearing a Spurs shirt - they are one of our own. They have always been family, and we should do our best to support them.

Honestly I think it’s important as many people as possible post on these kind of threads to show that the vast majority do not agree with the abuse and twitterisation that some are indulging in. You can see from the comments and the ratings that Phil2.0’s posts and opinions are outliers. If reasonable people don’t post it will seem as if they are more important than they are

 

[Phil_2.0]

Honestly I think it’s important as many people as possible post on these kind of threads to show that the vast majority do not agree with the abuse and twitterisation that some are indulging in. You can see from the comments and the ratings that Phil2.0’s posts and opinions are outliers. If reasonable people don’t post it will seem as if they are more important than they are

I am pretty confident you could ask spurs fans on any platform anywhere and you'd find the majority do not want Dier to be in the Tottenham squad.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I am pretty confident you could ask spurs fans on any platform anywhere and you'd find the majority do not want Dier to be in the Tottenham squad.

I disagree, I think the internet creates confirmation bias and also those with the loudest most repetitive voices. Just because you believe it's so doesn't make it such

 

[robhumphreys]

I am pretty confident you could ask spurs fans on any platform anywhere and you'd find the majority do not want Dier to be in the Tottenham squad.

Totally disagree. Even on here most feel while he should not be first choice he's fine as a squad player.

 

[alfie103]

I think he organizes the defense well. He won more aerial battles than anyone on Spurs.

I think he passes the ball well when he does not think about it - and I think under Ange, this could be the case - where he wants quick passes, and will expect the CMs to show for the defenders.

I think he defends well - which is not to say he does not have a mistake in him. He is not aggressive like a Romero, but is more of a keep the body between the ball and the goal defender.

He was dispossessed only 3 times last season - compared to 10 for Romero or 8 for Lenglet


When we concede goals - the team concedes goals, not individual players. Under a new set-up, and with a more aggressive 6, I could see us improve in this area on tactics alone.

Again - he is at the end of his career - we can improve with a younger player. But this is still a player who earned an England call-up to the WC - last season. He is not a "shit" footballer - no matter how convoluted you make the definition.

He doesn't organise the defence well. Whenever he is most senior centre back, we generally look shaky.

Saying he's won the most aerial battles for Spurs isn't really saying much and he is frankly quite poor in the air. He doesn't even really keep his body between the goal and attacker as he backs off so much because he knows he is slow that he gives the attacker so much room to do what they want.

His passing is fairly basic and doesn't handle being pressed very well. He also makes a fair share of individual errors which can't be blamed on anything else than him.

I don't even really want him as a backup really. I don't know what part of defending he excels at.

 

[Thenewcat]

I am pretty confident you could ask spurs fans on any platform anywhere and you'd find the majority do not want Dier to be in the Tottenham squad.

I’m not sure if it’s a majority but it’s a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold. The issue is that hasn’t been what you’ve been posting

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Why the hell would a player committed to our Club getting free of injuries and finding enough form and consistency to impress our manager be a bad thing?

Maybe because he’s ultimately not good enough and if he starts the new season it means that yet again our 1st XI is short

 

[easley91]

Maybe because he’s ultimately not good enough and if he starts the new season it means that yet again our 1st XI is short

That's hardly his fault though is it? He can only do what is asked of him. That's down to the chairman and the manager to bring the players in, not Dier. So don't take it out on the player who will do his best when called upon.

 

[rightwayup]

I think he could be a good squad backup but if he lines up as a regular starter then I think there will be trouble ahead. However there is a part of me that thinks moving on those recent "senior" players like PEH, Lloris and Dier might not be the worst move and might start a new age environment at the club with more confidence and positivity. Like a lot of other things going on, we need to let Ange make those decisions based on what he sees and how he wants to play. I am pretty sure Dier will not play if Ange thinks it will affect what he is trying to do.

 

[lobob8]

As I've said elsewhere, the disrespect that Eric gets after being a reliable and loyal member of the squad for 9 years is shocking. Same goes for Ben Davies. Love them both and will be sad to see them go sooner rather than later.

Why do fans always have to have a scapegoat? We've seen it all before with Hojbjerg, Doherty, Sissoko, Trippier, etc. I remember as a kid seeing Jenas being abused online for no reason, these guys gave it their all and wore the club's shirt proudly.

 

[RuskyM]

I thought it was a great doc.

Have you watched it?

Its about Dier's journey from moving to Portugal as a young child through all the ups and downs of his career.

There is no downside to this - except for people who won't watch and have an agenda to pursue.


I'd love to see more docs like this - showing the human side to footballers.

That’s exactly the problem though: hard to abuse someone when you view them as a person.

A guy who at 16 elected to stay on his own to pursue his dream, becoming a player who played in a CL final and a World Cup semi is a success story by any metric. That he’s managed to do that whilst being a thoroughly decent bloke is remarkable. Love him.

 

[easley91]

Started watching it now. Did not know he spent time in Horsham as a young lad.

 

[easley91]

Highly recommend it. Yes, even for those who hate him. You may think he needs to leave or isn't of the required level anymore, but as a person and as a worker he is an example.

Also take note of his illness. People seem to forget that a lot.