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Loan I expect. Hopefully to a team that actually plays him.
Euro U21 Championship 2015
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Loan I expect. Hopefully to a team that actually plays him.
nailsy
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But he did gain vital experience. Where else is he going to learn the pain and humiliation of crashing out of a tournament for England in the early stages?
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Dear Swedish football fans, your girlfriends still cheat on you when they come by themselves to Italy on holiday. Sincerely yours.
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Stereotypes are a bad beast. Once again Swedish national team going through with a draw biscuit-shaped. They build draws better than Ikea.
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And don't tell me "Hey in Italy they fix lot of games". Well, we investigate too and find them out. In Sweden, don't know.
He´s so bitter it´s funny!
Dear Swedish football fans, your girlfriends still cheat on you when they come by themselves to Italy on holiday. Sincerely yours.
Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri
Stereotypes are a bad beast. Once again Swedish national team going through with a draw biscuit-shaped. They build draws better than Ikea.
Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri
And don't tell me "Hey in Italy they fix lot of games". Well, we investigate too and find them out. In Sweden, don't know.
He´s so bitter it´s funny!
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The Apprentice
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Chalobah is embarrassingly shit. Lost count of how many misplaced passes.
Why no subs from Southgate? Why no tactical shift in formation when 2 down with diminishing time? Why was Forster-casket even picked?
Stones thinks he's made it before he's proved himself. Chiriches level brain farts.
Jenkinson cannot defend.
Kane looked bright but he seemed to continue his end of season habit of shooting from every bloody place he fancies.
Good job our best u21s couldn't be arsed.
Why no subs from Southgate? Why no tactical shift in formation when 2 down with diminishing time? Why was Forster-casket even picked?
Stones thinks he's made it before he's proved himself. Chiriches level brain farts.
Jenkinson cannot defend.
Kane looked bright but he seemed to continue his end of season habit of shooting from every bloody place he fancies.
Good job our best u21s couldn't be arsed.
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Looked like he could do with a few slices himself.
Tancredi Palmeri@tancredipalmeri
Dear Swedish football fans, your girlfriends still cheat on you when they come by themselves to Italy on holiday. Sincerely yours.
Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri
Stereotypes are a bad beast. Once again Swedish national team going through with a draw biscuit-shaped. They build draws better than Ikea.
Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri
And don't tell me "Hey in Italy they fix lot of games". Well, we investigate too and find them out. In Sweden, don't know.
He´s so bitter it´s funny!
No Swedish woman is going to cheat on their boyfriend with a guy that looks like him that is for sure.
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Well that was a thoroughly humiliating performance. Got what we deserved. You can't take a half strength squad to a major tournament and expect to succeed. I know I harped on about it in an earlier post but I can't understand the benefit of not taking our best players to the competition.
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I haven't been able to watch the game but its not just that
For instance for the qualifying games he started with a positive passing midfield and for the prep game, he dropped all 3 DM's and played 3 passing players in Hughes, carroll and Ward-Prowse.
As soon as the tournament starts he changes the plan and decides to play deep and have our CM on the ball much and plays arguably the worst DM/CM option out of the lot
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Poor, simply poor.
Where was sterling? Too good? Too prissy? The others too?
If you don't represent at U21 why are you In the national team (unless late bloomer)
When will this country learn? Ffs.
Well done Kane for representing, shame he was surrounded by the future of the championship and league 1.
Where was sterling? Too good? Too prissy? The others too?
If you don't represent at U21 why are you In the national team (unless late bloomer)
When will this country learn? Ffs.
Well done Kane for representing, shame he was surrounded by the future of the championship and league 1.
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I dont think a single Swedish player would get into the England team. Guidetti didn't do anything remarkable in Scotland, Kiese-Thelin has flopped in France and the most impressive player in the team, Baffo, has been unable to hold down a starting position in the worst team in the Swedish league. The most maligned players in the England team would walk straight into the Swedish.
The coaching is probably better and we have been a little bit lucky (twice playing for the draw and conceding after the 80th minute) but really. England and Italy should not be going home at this stage.
Best news is that Sweden qualifies for the Olympics... Zlatan in Brazil!
The coaching is probably better and we have been a little bit lucky (twice playing for the draw and conceding after the 80th minute) but really. England and Italy should not be going home at this stage.
Best news is that Sweden qualifies for the Olympics... Zlatan in Brazil!
The positive from this..
Fa's promise of modelling the German's philiosphy of the youth teams playing the same style as the mens teams, is seemingly true.
Unfortunately, our style is one of the most predictable styles I've ever seen.
Play the ball around the back in our own third, if we don't miss-pass to the opposition, we may go forward ever so slightly for our midfielders to shit themselves, and pass straight back, or do a few more sideways passes.
Get caught on the counter, and the opposition know that we'll eventually fold under pressure.
These performances were just like the mens ones in the world cup, just producing nothing... we are too easy to play against, too easy to contain, too easy to break down.
I disagree that the players are useless - some need development, but being under 21's, thats to be expected, however, there is no freedom to actually play football in how the coaches and managers are telling the players... tactically niave...
The whole FA needs resructuring, not just the managers - it's all political. We talk about FIFA being politically managed, but the FA are just as bad with their yes men and silly choices.
Fa's promise of modelling the German's philiosphy of the youth teams playing the same style as the mens teams, is seemingly true.
Unfortunately, our style is one of the most predictable styles I've ever seen.
Play the ball around the back in our own third, if we don't miss-pass to the opposition, we may go forward ever so slightly for our midfielders to shit themselves, and pass straight back, or do a few more sideways passes.
Get caught on the counter, and the opposition know that we'll eventually fold under pressure.
These performances were just like the mens ones in the world cup, just producing nothing... we are too easy to play against, too easy to contain, too easy to break down.
I disagree that the players are useless - some need development, but being under 21's, thats to be expected, however, there is no freedom to actually play football in how the coaches and managers are telling the players... tactically niave...
The whole FA needs resructuring, not just the managers - it's all political. We talk about FIFA being politically managed, but the FA are just as bad with their yes men and silly choices.
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Riandor
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For once I agree with Lawro too.
Do the players want to play for England? Then go to the U21 tournaments. Win them. Take that mentality through into the senior team.
No U21 player should be exempt from being picked, if that player refuses, then they don't get picked for the senior team. The game is a team game, skilful individuals do not win tournaments, teams do. Build a team ethic and do not promote this shambolic better than thou attitude.
Barkley, Shaw, Sterling, Oxlaide-Chamberlain should ALL of been called up as none of them have done enough for me to warrant automatic starts in the England senior team and should still be learning their trade at all levels.
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Dier, Barkley, Shaw, Sterling, Wilshere, Ox all should have been at this tournament. They're still in their younger years so why no further tournament experience?
Suddenly we look a lot stronger, especially with Pritch, Ings on the bench. The trouble is are player like Moore, Garbutt, Forster fucking Caskey, Carroll, Redmond, Gibson, Jenkinson really going to make it at the top level? They're just largely Championship/average Premier League players.
It's about the statement you send out in my opinion. By picking our best players it would say that we're here to win it and nothing else. With this side the impression you got is we're here to try to tippy tappy it around a bit with no real purpose and hope we can get through to the knockouts.
As soon as I saw the squad I knew we weren't getting out of the groups, but to be fair Berahino was a big loss.
Butland
Chambers Dier Stones Shaw
JWP Wilshere
Sterling--Barkley--Ox
Kane
Chambers Dier Stones Shaw
JWP Wilshere
Sterling--Barkley--Ox
Kane
Suddenly we look a lot stronger, especially with Pritch, Ings on the bench. The trouble is are player like Moore, Garbutt, Forster fucking Caskey, Carroll, Redmond, Gibson, Jenkinson really going to make it at the top level? They're just largely Championship/average Premier League players.
It's about the statement you send out in my opinion. By picking our best players it would say that we're here to win it and nothing else. With this side the impression you got is we're here to try to tippy tappy it around a bit with no real purpose and hope we can get through to the knockouts.
As soon as I saw the squad I knew we weren't getting out of the groups, but to be fair Berahino was a big loss.
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That team does look a beauty for u21s football.
Our ethos and mentality on youngsters and their tournaments, suck. There is nothing better than seeing a team grow together, if that team could have played together for the last year/ 2 years, it would easily challenge for a place in the final.
Well we ended up losing to a very, very average team imo.
Butland (5) has to improve on his kicking. Why he chooses to use his weaker foot more often that not is just bizzare. His footwork for the third goal was very disappointing too. He was excused by the commentators and pundits, but in training every day he will work on that very exercise and when that ball when across he should have been side-stepping and then should be saving a header at that pace, even if in the corner. Other than that though, I think he looks a very solid keeper - and kicking aside - reminds me a lot of Joe Hart at the same age.
Jenkinson (6.5) has been our most consistent player over the the three games and with us not exactly blessed in that position in this country, he may be one of a very few who could potentially play for the senior national team. He is a good defender who always provides an attacking outlet too, although I do think his productivity in the final third needs to be better. Should have done better on the third goal really.
I was so looking forward to seeing Stones (4.5) play. I read he was the new Rio Ferdinand, but I didn't realise people meant the 37 year old QPR version. He was shocking from start to finish and brought the consistent Gibson's game down with him too. Maybe he was still concussed, but his decision making for the best part of the entire ninety minutes was really, really poor. He and Gibson completely fell asleep for the first, but the second was just schoolboy. He had to engage with the attacker much earlier than he did, even if that meant fouling him. He did show some great composure and play in amongst all the errors however. The English Vlad Chiriches?
As I said, Gibson (5) struggled too, and the ball in behind is something he struggles with in general. That is hopefully something Aitor Karanka can work on with him, but considering he has a pretty good left foot I would like to see him much better and more comfortable when in possession.
I like to speak positively about young players, I really do. But sometimes you just have to accept when certain players aren't good enough. On the evidence of this tournament, Garbutt (5) is one of those players.
Another one of those players is Chalobah (5) who arguably had his best game of the tournament and was still really poor. I remember seeing this kid play for England against Scotland at u16s, and this kid had it all. It is an absolute travesty he has not built on that potential one bit. But judging from his general attitude and work-rate on the pitch, I think he needs to take a long hard look at himself as opposed to blaming Chelsea and lack of opportunities there etc. My biggest disappointment was the fact that Southgate persisted with a player who contributed nothing to the cause.
This Foster-Caskey (5.5) kid really impressed me at the Riverside against Germany having never seem him play before, but he contributed absolutely nothing last night. I try and avoid team line ups before the game to avoid any predisposed thoughts around tactics etc and judge the game for what it is - I didn't know he was playing until about 25 min in!
Redmond (5.5) scored a great goal in the end, but that just frustrated me more than anything. He has shown absolutely nowhere near his potential this tournament unfortunately bar maybe one good half against Portugal. He should have contributed more considering the experience he has, especially off the back of a good season which he finished fantastically.
Certainly our greatest attacking threat beyond Kane was Lindgard (6), but he was on the periphery far too much. Inches away from a brilliant goal mind. Another player who needs to think about his future this summer.
You can't fault Ings (5.5) for effort, but in terms of quality he simply has none whatsoever. I am delighted we avoided this signing I really am. Seems to be a really dumb forward. There was one instance where England were breaking at pace with Kane centrally, and he was clearly waiting for Ings to make a run into the box and he would have been clean through. But he didn't move and Kane was eventually closed down. It was like playing Pro Evo waiting for the dumb AI winger to make the run you want him too. At least on that triangle forces him to make that run!
Lastly, the best player on the pitch was our very own Harry Kane (7). I would still say he was average for his standards, but his link-up and hold-up play at times was exceptional. His pass for Ings if something we can now probably deem un-England-like, and he at least tested the keeper on a number of occasions. I still think he needs to demand more quality from those around him, but similarly to Spurs in many respects - although better last night - the general lack of support he receives is the main reason he is the way he is.
I didn't think Loftus-Cheek (6) added anything, and although a great advocate of Southgate's coaching methods, his general decision making, team selections and tactics have been very, very questionable to say the least.
Butland (5) has to improve on his kicking. Why he chooses to use his weaker foot more often that not is just bizzare. His footwork for the third goal was very disappointing too. He was excused by the commentators and pundits, but in training every day he will work on that very exercise and when that ball when across he should have been side-stepping and then should be saving a header at that pace, even if in the corner. Other than that though, I think he looks a very solid keeper - and kicking aside - reminds me a lot of Joe Hart at the same age.
Jenkinson (6.5) has been our most consistent player over the the three games and with us not exactly blessed in that position in this country, he may be one of a very few who could potentially play for the senior national team. He is a good defender who always provides an attacking outlet too, although I do think his productivity in the final third needs to be better. Should have done better on the third goal really.
I was so looking forward to seeing Stones (4.5) play. I read he was the new Rio Ferdinand, but I didn't realise people meant the 37 year old QPR version. He was shocking from start to finish and brought the consistent Gibson's game down with him too. Maybe he was still concussed, but his decision making for the best part of the entire ninety minutes was really, really poor. He and Gibson completely fell asleep for the first, but the second was just schoolboy. He had to engage with the attacker much earlier than he did, even if that meant fouling him. He did show some great composure and play in amongst all the errors however. The English Vlad Chiriches?
As I said, Gibson (5) struggled too, and the ball in behind is something he struggles with in general. That is hopefully something Aitor Karanka can work on with him, but considering he has a pretty good left foot I would like to see him much better and more comfortable when in possession.
I like to speak positively about young players, I really do. But sometimes you just have to accept when certain players aren't good enough. On the evidence of this tournament, Garbutt (5) is one of those players.
Another one of those players is Chalobah (5) who arguably had his best game of the tournament and was still really poor. I remember seeing this kid play for England against Scotland at u16s, and this kid had it all. It is an absolute travesty he has not built on that potential one bit. But judging from his general attitude and work-rate on the pitch, I think he needs to take a long hard look at himself as opposed to blaming Chelsea and lack of opportunities there etc. My biggest disappointment was the fact that Southgate persisted with a player who contributed nothing to the cause.
This Foster-Caskey (5.5) kid really impressed me at the Riverside against Germany having never seem him play before, but he contributed absolutely nothing last night. I try and avoid team line ups before the game to avoid any predisposed thoughts around tactics etc and judge the game for what it is - I didn't know he was playing until about 25 min in!
Redmond (5.5) scored a great goal in the end, but that just frustrated me more than anything. He has shown absolutely nowhere near his potential this tournament unfortunately bar maybe one good half against Portugal. He should have contributed more considering the experience he has, especially off the back of a good season which he finished fantastically.
Certainly our greatest attacking threat beyond Kane was Lindgard (6), but he was on the periphery far too much. Inches away from a brilliant goal mind. Another player who needs to think about his future this summer.
You can't fault Ings (5.5) for effort, but in terms of quality he simply has none whatsoever. I am delighted we avoided this signing I really am. Seems to be a really dumb forward. There was one instance where England were breaking at pace with Kane centrally, and he was clearly waiting for Ings to make a run into the box and he would have been clean through. But he didn't move and Kane was eventually closed down. It was like playing Pro Evo waiting for the dumb AI winger to make the run you want him too. At least on that triangle forces him to make that run!
Lastly, the best player on the pitch was our very own Harry Kane (7). I would still say he was average for his standards, but his link-up and hold-up play at times was exceptional. His pass for Ings if something we can now probably deem un-England-like, and he at least tested the keeper on a number of occasions. I still think he needs to demand more quality from those around him, but similarly to Spurs in many respects - although better last night - the general lack of support he receives is the main reason he is the way he is.
I didn't think Loftus-Cheek (6) added anything, and although a great advocate of Southgate's coaching methods, his general decision making, team selections and tactics have been very, very questionable to say the least.
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