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Ex Aston Villa player Dalian Atkinson dies after being tasered by Police
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Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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It would be nice to think that some facts are established first.
More details, his father said he was very agitated and upset.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-dalian-atkinson-dead-taser-8634700
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-dalian-atkinson-dead-taser-8634700
Why tasers sometimes kill
http://www.livescience.com/36418-tasers-kill-cardiac-arrest-stun-gun.html
http://www.livescience.com/36418-tasers-kill-cardiac-arrest-stun-gun.html
tototoner
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From mirror
Paula Quinn, who lives nearby, said she saw the 48-year-old “stumbling” away from his father’s front door in Telford, Shropshire, towards two police officers, who warned him they would fire the Taser but he carried on.
“That’s when they tasered him - they tasered him once and he fell to the ground, as it hit his stomach he went down like a lead balloon,” the 44-year-old said.
“Once he’d hit the ground I heard the taser go off another four or five times.
“You don’t expect it here in a quiet neighbourhood.”
She added: “I didn’t really know him, but I’d seen him visiting a few times before, and I recognised his fancy car.
“I am feeling a bit sick knowing that the poor lad has passed.
“I don’t care what anybody has done. Nobody deserves to die as a result of something like that.”
Paula Quinn, who lives nearby, said she saw the 48-year-old “stumbling” away from his father’s front door in Telford, Shropshire, towards two police officers, who warned him they would fire the Taser but he carried on.
“That’s when they tasered him - they tasered him once and he fell to the ground, as it hit his stomach he went down like a lead balloon,” the 44-year-old said.
“Once he’d hit the ground I heard the taser go off another four or five times.
“You don’t expect it here in a quiet neighbourhood.”
She added: “I didn’t really know him, but I’d seen him visiting a few times before, and I recognised his fancy car.
“I am feeling a bit sick knowing that the poor lad has passed.
“I don’t care what anybody has done. Nobody deserves to die as a result of something like that.”
tototoner
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Yeap but don't taser a bloke 4 or 5 times while he's lying comatose on the ground
StartingPrice
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I can't really speak for the accuracy of the eye-witness (not questioning her either), and I can understand the police using a taser in the dark on someone clearly under the influence lumbering towards them (especially with a big man, even if he wasn't being aggressive), without necessarily agreeing with it. But if someone is tasered and clearly goes down (as most anyone would), surely using it even once more is gratuitous?!?
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Gbspurs
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I haven't seen what happened. I'm in no doubt that if that's what happened there will be consequences for the police officer.
nailsy
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Surely that would depend on what they were doing on the ground after the initial shock wore off? If they were reaching into their pocket for instance....
Hopefully we'll get more details soon and learn what actually happened.
Tucker
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There have been a number of incidents with them. They clearly aren't safe to use on a random person without knowing their medical history.
bomberH
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If they did do that they should be sacked and punished further. However I can't see that being the case at all. If someone was semi unconscious on the floor, there's no need to taser them again. You taser them to render them a bit useless so you can put the cuffs on. Even in the eyewitness accounts on BBC news, there are several different accounts of what went on, including the number of times he was tasered, so don't believe everything until the whole story comes out.
For those who don't want tasers used (understandably with regards to not knowing someone's health issues beforehand) what would you suggest? If a 17 stone man high on drugs with a knife trying to butcher people was on the loose and there were no armed (gun) officers for miles, which is often the case, how would you stop him. An asp would bounce off him, some people aren't affected by CS gas (and gas could also affect innocent bystanders AND in rare cases cause permanent damage to vision). What would you do?
StartingPrice
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I was working under the assumption the natural thing to do would be for the police to restrain him once he had been tasered. I've seen taser demonstrations, and no matter who, the target goes down and stays down for more than long enough to be restrained.
I'm going out of my way not to make any impact judgements - don't know the reliability of witness, but don't want to doubt her; neither blaming nor justifying police use of taser. But the truth is, if they tasered him more than once they must have either tasered him after he was down and incapacitated, or they waited until the effects of the taser had worn off and then tasered him again. In which case, they had more than enough time to restrain him. Isn't that normal procedure? Surely it's not normal procedure to taser someone, wait until it has worn off and see if they need another tasering or two dependent on how cooperative they are.
And that is if he was only tasered once more - what justification could there be for tasering someone, waiting until recovered to see if calmed, tasering again if not, rinse, repeat, rinse.
Even one more shot just seems irresponsible, at best, and gratuitous at worst. Not saying it definitively was, because I wasn't there, just how it seems.
