Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[dvdhopeful]

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[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don’t think it’s going to be as straight forward as you may think. If Kane decides to follow Conte out the door and Son continues his decline then it’s hard to see where are we getting that 40 goals from, without those goals we will be lucky to be getting in the top 6. Will the fans have the patience for the team to be hanging around 8th to 6th for a couple of seasons and not be calling for the managers head?

This is such a key point. If Conte leaves, and we fail to get top 4, you can guarantee Kane will be posturing to leave.

Richarlison can do a job as a number 9 but is never going to hit 20+ league goals, Son is unlikely to hit the heights he has been, and any replacement striker is likely to need a bedding in period.

I think overall, add another top class cb, add Lloris replacement and our first 11 will still be one of the best in the league. But the goals we'll miss from Kane will mean it will be difficult to see us mounting any kind of meaningful title challenge anytime soon.

 

[mil1lion]

Agreed that we currently have quite a few young players with high potential that Poch can work with but where are we going to find another Kane, the biggest reason behind the success of the last Poch era.

I don’t think it’s going to be as straight forward as you may think. If Kane decides to follow Conte out the door and Son continues his decline then it’s hard to see where are we getting that 40 goals from, without those goals we will be lucky to be getting in the top 6. Will the fans have the patience for the team to be hanging around 8th to 6th for a couple of seasons and not be calling for the managers head?

It's pointless trying to think where goals will come from after Kane. We had goalscorers before and will after. Whether VDV, Crouch, Defoe, Keane or Berbatov. There may not be another Kane but we will get goals.

 

[parklane yid]

Don’t mean to ruin your hopes but I’d suggest seeing what trix posted in the Djed Spence loan thread.

What did he say?

 

[TheHodFather]

No He didn't he is 8th.

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Weird how five out of ten are during a period when we've won nothing. I guess maybe the leagues used to be more even back in the day. Surprising to see Nicholson only at #10 and no Burkinshaw given they're our two most successful managers in terms of trophies.

 

[cjbyid]

What did he say?

If conte goes there's pretty much no plan in place.

So we fecked pretty much.

It's still posted in there.

 

[Nerine]

Hello….is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me? Is there anybody home?

- and Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii have become…….. Comfortably Dumb

 

[spurs9]

Weird how five out of ten are during a period when we've won nothing. I guess maybe the leagues used to be more even back in the day. Surprising to see Nicholson only at #10 and no Burkinshaw given they're our two most successful managers in terms of trophies.

I believe from 1964 to 74, we were inconsistent in the league under Nicholson, finishing above 6th just twice in that time, which would have brought his win % down, but won an Fa Cup, 2 x League Cups and the UEFA cup in that time.

We were relegated in Berkinshaw's first year and in the 6 other seasons in top flight, we only finished above 8th twice, so this would have brought his win% down quite a bit. However we also won the UEFA cup and 2 x FA Cups in that time.

 

[thebenjamin]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

Oh I get it, it's opposite day

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

This feels like a leak from the Spurs side.

 

[rossdapep]

It's pointless trying to think where goals will come from after Kane. We had goalscorers before and will after. Whether VDV, Crouch, Defoe, Keane or Berbatov. There may not be another Kane but we will get goals.

Yeah, not too mention you don't necessarily need a 20+ goalscorer to have a good attack. The front four can share the goals, that depends on the system of the coach though.

A coach like Nuno will never give a team that but look at De Zerbi at Brighton, his team have goals all over (Mac Allister, Ferguson, Mitoma, Marsch)

They have scored 3 goals less than us and have 3 games in hand.

Liverpool, City etc etc haven't relied on CFs over the years.

 

[Yiddo100]

Ties in with what trix hinted at.
(that is what the arcticle actually says, easier to post this than copy as it’s behind paywall)

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Yeah, not too mention you don't necessarily need a 20+ goalscorer to have a good attack. The front four can share the goals, that depends on the system of the coach though.

A coach like Nuno will never give a team that but look at De Zerbi at Brighton, his team have goals all over (Mac Allister, Ferguson, Mitoma, Marsch)

They have scored 3 goals less than us and have 3 games in hand.

Liverpool, City etc etc haven't relied on CFs over the years.

Liverpool have relied on salahs goals and City relied on agueros for a long time.

 

[rossdapep]

Liverpool have relied on salahs goals and City relied on agueros for a long time.

Regarding City I meant since they let Aguero go. Also he was injured a lot in his last year and it had no effect.

Yeah, Salah did but he's not a cf.

 

[spurs9]

This is such a key point. If Conte leaves, and we fail to get top 4, you can guarantee Kane will be posturing to leave.

Richarlison can do a job as a number 9 but is never going to hit 20+ league goals, Son is unlikely to hit the heights he has been, and any replacement striker is likely to need a bedding in period.

I think overall, add another top class cb, add Lloris replacement and our first 11 will still be one of the best in the league. But the goals we'll miss from Kane will mean it will be difficult to see us mounting any kind of meaningful title challenge anytime soon.

If Richarlison can score 13 for 12th place Everton, I reckon he can get 20 for us in the right system.

As you say, replacing both him and Son is a big issue. In 4 of the 6 seasons they have played together, they have a combined tally of 40+ league goals in 4 of them (29 & 29 for the other 2).

 

[chrisd2k]

This is such a key point. If Conte leaves, and we fail to get top 4, you can guarantee Kane will be posturing to leave.

Richarlison can do a job as a number 9 but is never going to hit 20+ league goals, Son is unlikely to hit the heights he has been, and any replacement striker is likely to need a bedding in period.

I think overall, add another top class cb, add Lloris replacement and our first 11 will still be one of the best in the league. But the goals we'll miss from Kane will mean it will be difficult to see us mounting any kind of meaningful title challenge anytime soon.

£60m well spent

 

[jay2040]

Going back to that whole period from May - September 2019. We can all recall Poch saying that he may "go home" even if the team didn't win the CL final.

But I also recall around early July time Poch being a little more animated after the Ndombele transfer and at the start of the preseason tour.

I dont know if Im misremembering or not but I believe had Levy not spent all summer;

- Bargaining for Lo Celso and not getting him in ASAP.
- Not failing to get Dybala/Fernandes/Ceballos
- Lumped Poch with two more kids - Sessegnon & Clarke.
- And sold a bunch of players who were clearly done at the club.

I reckon he'd have become reenergised and 'all in' once again.

The reason I feel that is because Levy had been telling everyone that we had to wait for the stadium to be built. If Levy had have REALLY backed Poch in that window it would have made up for the past windows and shown that Poch had their full trust ans the club want to go on and achieve something.

Instead we sucked what little Poch probably had left by dragging every transfer out whilst some players still remained.

Poch knew then that it was a broken promise and it'd never change.

This is old news, we have lived through it. Now what ?

 

[g_harry]

Going back to that whole period from May - September 2019. We can all recall Poch saying that he may "go home" even if the team didn't win the CL final.

But I also recall around early July time Poch being a little more animated after the Ndombele transfer and at the start of the preseason tour.

I dont know if Im misremembering or not but I believe had Levy not spent all summer;

- Bargaining for Lo Celso and not getting him in ASAP.
- Not failing to get Dybala/Fernandes/Ceballos
- Lumped Poch with two more kids - Sessegnon & Clarke.
- And sold a bunch of players who were clearly done at the club.

I reckon he'd have become reenergised and 'all in' once again.

The reason I feel that is because Levy had been telling everyone that we had to wait for the stadium to be built. If Levy had have REALLY backed Poch in that window it would have made up for the past windows and shown that Poch had their full trust ans the club want to go on and achieve something.

Instead we sucked what little Poch probably had left by dragging every transfer out whilst some players still remained.

Poch knew then that it was a broken promise and it'd never change.

Absolutely nailed it.

 

[jay2040]

This is such a key point. If Conte leaves, and we fail to get top 4, you can guarantee Kane will be posturing to leave.

Richarlison can do a job as a number 9 but is never going to hit 20+ league goals, Son is unlikely to hit the heights he has been, and any replacement striker is likely to need a bedding in period.

I think overall, add another top class cb, add Lloris replacement and our first 11 will still be one of the best in the league. But the goals we'll miss from Kane will mean it will be difficult to see us mounting any kind of meaningful title challenge anytime soon.

Going back to that whole period from May - September 2019. We can all recall Poch saying that he may "go home" even if the team didn't win the CL final.

But I also recall around early July time Poch being a little more animated after the Ndombele transfer and at the start of the preseason tour.

I dont know if Im misremembering or not but I believe had Levy not spent all summer;

- Bargaining for Lo Celso and not getting him in ASAP.
- Not failing to get Dybala/Fernandes/Ceballos
- Lumped Poch with two more kids - Sessegnon & Clarke.
- And sold a bunch of players who were clearly done at the club.

I reckon he'd have become reenergised and 'all in' once again.

The reason I feel that is because Levy had been telling everyone that we had to wait for the stadium to be built. If Levy had have REALLY backed Poch in that window it would have made up for the past windows and shown that Poch had their full trust ans the club want to go on and achieve something.

Instead we sucked what little Poch probably had left by dragging every transfer out whilst some players still remained.

Poch knew then that it was a broken promise and it'd never change.

If Poch knows its a broken promise then he is unlikely to return surely? Though it seems that some think it's a given he is returning.
I feel that if Conte is here next season then Kane stays otherwise let's just wipe the slate clean...

 

[nico97531]

It's pointless trying to think where goals will come from after Kane. We had goalscorers before and will after. Whether VDV, Crouch, Defoe, Keane or Berbatov. There may not be another Kane but we will get goals.

All the players you mentioned never came close to Kane’s numbers or consistency, which is why we were never really challenging back then, getting goals probably won’t be a problem but getting enough goals to keep us challenging will be difficult if not impossible IMO.

avoiding the glaring problem and hope the new manager is going to magically sort everything out is why we are where we are. We had the best defense in the league then as well, it’s still a fucking problem for us after how many years?

Poch coming back or any other manager for that matter won’t solve our issues instantly, it will take time with a proper plan and sound strategy, especially if we need to replace two of our best players as well.