Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[thebenjamin]

If we lose on Saturday reckon he'll resign

 

[GutBucket]

I am struggling to think of a word-class manager that has gone to manage a side in a situation like ours and polish the turd as prolifically as you are making out. Can you name 3 situations where that has happened?

Klopps first 3/4's of a season at Liverpool they ended up finishing 8th and lost

2-1 to palace
2-0 to Newcastle
2-0 to west ham
3-0 to Watford
3-2 to Southampton
3-1 to Swansea

He also just about beat Norwich 5-4 and drew twice with West Brom and once with Sunderland.

Things take time.

This was Klopp's team when he joined Liverpool.


Our team is far from great but better than that. Conte is my favorite coach and even though I grew up as AC Milan fan I watched more Inter games last season than any other club except Tottenham only because of him. Conte is definition of world class but some of his comments are pretty dumb and aren't helping. Different groups need different psychological approach. Also I hope we somehow bring a defensive coach he had at Chelsea and Inter. Dont think he would leave until he gets a full season with us and few more transfers, he isn't dumb and he knows how his system performs when he has proper players (better wingbacks).

 

[sundanceyid10]

I wish Levy made the comments instead of Conte. His time is up.

His time was up a long time ago, he is the polar opposite of a winning mentality.

 

[allatsea]

He is a world class manager but results & performances have not shown that with us. His childish ranting after games is very tiring and very very unhelpful. That sort of behaviour can be tolerated if he is being successful (and I get that he is much less likely to rant about things when winning but he has shown at inter and Chelsea even when winning he will still find things to rant about) but given our poor return he simply needs to shut up and do the job he's paid to do which is improve the players and win football matches.
Of course I want him to stay and hope he can achieve things here but I'm already pretty tired listening to his shite as well. He is as culpable as anyone for our poor performances and the losses as he is wedded to a system that we don't have the players to do it properly. The club has backed him hugely (getting rid of Dele, Ndombele and lo Celso in the one window was huge backing and show of faith in him) but he has yet to repay that show of faith so I hope he learns to dial it down and do the job he was employed to do. If he can't do that then as humiliating as it would be for him and club he should go in the summer.

You didn't see the win against Man City at their ground then ? Whose fault was that ?

 

[whenstevewentup]

I can’t help feel we need a Poch mark 2 , like they’ve done up the road , someone with a clear identity and long term vision with a philosophy. We can’t give huge funds to a manager that could walk with 24 hours notice . Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing more I’d love than levy give Conte the 4/5 players he needs in the summer and we hit the ground running next season and we have Conte here for the next 5 years but history tells me it’s not going to happen . I wouldn’t be upset if we went down the Ten Hag / Potter route with a manager that would love to be at a club like Tottenham as opposed to one that feels he is too big for us .

 

[spursfan77]

Agreed. I listened to the interview - again it was nothing like what the media are making it out to be.

This is the response I have had from Oliver Kay about his article when I said the media weren't giving him a fair go at the job and questioning his future at every chance. It sums up why we are facing an uphill battle with journalists from the off with Conte. They want him to fail to be proved right, because they don't think he should be in the job. That he is too good for us!

I feel like I was in a very small minority in questioning the Conte and Mourinho appointments — not because I want them to fail but simply because I wasn’t convinced of their suitability for this particular club at that particular time. If anything, I have felt the wider media “narrative” until the past few weeks has been a little too starry-eyed. Similar with Mourinho previously. But that generally comes down to perception, not agenda. And perception is shaped by performances, results and behaviour

This is the article

'Born winners' at clubs that don't compete for titles are almost always incompatible

Antonio Conte at Tottenham Hotspur is looking increasingly like an unhappy marriage - Daniel Levy must have seen this coming

theathletic.com

 

[GutBucket]

I can’t help feel we need a Poch mark 2 , like they’ve done up the road , someone with a clear identity and long term vision with a philosophy. We can’t give huge funds to a manager that could walk with 24 hours notice . Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing more I’d love than levy give Conte the 4/5 players he needs in the summer and we hit the ground running next season and we have Conte here for the next 5 years but history tells me it’s not going to happen . I wouldn’t be upset if we went down the Ten Hag / Potter route with a manager that would love to be at a club like Tottenham as opposed to one that feels he is too big for us .

That would be ideal but they probably don't want to come here and I'm not sure who else is similar and atttainable. We could probably get Lage since we like Mendes so much, or Hasenhuttl. Maybe Rooney who could do the impossible this season. Hope we do something like that after Conte wins something with us next year.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

World class managers get more out of limited players and make more out of less.

At the moment Conte has two of the best attackers in the PL and is making us look like a relegation side. That’a not a world class manager.

You ok Hun? Need a hug ;-)

 

[ralphs bald spot]

The players aren't good enough we have lost against 3 sides and gifted goals to them - you can't prepare a side then see players make basic mistakes and then not be strong enough to lift their games to recover from it

He needs 6 maybe 7 players and five of them to be starters to have a side which is competitive - someone mentions a defensive coach but the mistakes are basic Ben Davies not clearing the ball down the line Romero not going with his man Lloris virtually throwing 2 in - Davinson and Royal losing a man twice for free headers in the box - its the same all season of course players make mistakes but these are basic things - what do you do against Spurs push up on em and they make mistakes

A half way decent side would walk into the Champions League this season but where far from that - we have about 6 or 7 players who you would keep and two of them ought to be being pushed to be in the side thats not including the 2 new lads they have only just come into this shit storm

 

[hellava_tough]

Rallying call to the players, but if they don't respond then we could be in trouble.

 

[thebenjamin]

I reckon he always thought he was going to get top 4 this season and his entire plan was built around that. But now he's realised that isn't happening and he can't be bothered with the long haul.

 

[hellava_tough]

He's not wrong...

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Unfortunately Lloris is very keen to stay on his line these days. He could solve a lot kf these set piece issues by dominating the box more.

See, despite a couple of dodgy punches/parries in the last couple of games. I've actually thought he's coming out & claiming crosses more than I've seen him do it before.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Not having a dig, but we seriously need to get rid of this mentality.

It's down to the quality of the players and the players alone that we are so inconsistent.

Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and now one of the best in the world Conte can't get a tune out of them for more than a short spell.

We need gutting from top to bottom and that has nothing to do with any of the managers who have tried.

It does not say anything about Conte "The Man", it shows how piss poor our recruitment has been for years already.

No matter who is in charge, it will never change the fact that most of the current team is mid level quality at best and need replacing.

Even Klopp had to have a major clear out when he arrived at Pool, even if it took a couple years to get right. We need to show Conte the same faith.

Agree with all of this. Which despite how much the majority disliked Jose, he was 100% when he said the club has deep rooted issues that can’t be fixed by him alone.

A similar squad of players have made four good-to-excellent managers look hapless.

And if you have been paying attention to the way we show up to games over the last three seasons, you see the same issues when we lose or play poorly… mental attitude is awful. We have recruited poorly.

Man for man, this current best XI, could not hold a candle to the 2017\18 teams. Just think about it?

Late twenties Lloris vs older Lloris?

Rose and Walker vs Reg and Royal.

Toby and Jan vs Romero and Dier

Dembele and Wanyama vs Bentancur and PEH

Kane, Dele, Son, Eriksen vs Kulu, Son, Kane, Moura (the 2022 version of these players)

In my opinion only 1, could get into the teams that had us finish 3rd and 2nd…. Today’s Kane. (Just).

We are so far away from that elite level of play and mindset. Conte should know this and pump the breaks a little. I understand he is frustrated and has a lot of pride. But he must be open to eating a shit sandwich this season, while we take time to reenforce over the summer. As four or five key players in key positions could make a massive difference.

Oh, and let’s also not forget…. Hardly a coincidence that this run of very poor form (minus the city anomaly), has coincided with Skippy not playing. He is our best midfielder at the moment… and that tells you everything about where we are as a squad.

 

[hellava_tough]

I reckon he always thought he was going to get top 4 this season and his entire plan was built around that. But now he's realised that isn't happening and he can't be bothered with the long haul.

He's certainly acting like someone who is not 100% convinced that he'll be backed in the summer.

If he was, then he'd just keep his mouth shut and bumble along until the transfer window opens again.

What's worrying though is the fact he's created 2 media storms in a 7 day period, regardless of whether they were spun by the media or not.

He knows the media game, he needs to keep quiet. It's not going to help the players' confidence.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Conte is Levy's last chance, he'll throw everything at him to save himself.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Its a simple strategy. Find underdeveloped, underprivileged areas of large urban centres and build large developments with the aim of significantly increasing land values and hence the underlying asset. This is augmented by sweating the asset while waiting for these land values to increase. This is what ENIC have done and all power to them for doing its...they are after all an investment company. That is their first and highest priority imo....I just don't see them prioritising footballing titles or CL , given the large investment required and with little hope of success.

Which, on the surface, is why fans get annoyed at ENIC. Without knowing the full ‘truth’ as it were, it’s info like this that reinforces this notion that we will win nothing with ENIC in charge, as they don’t see the financial upside in making the investment required. It reinforces that it’s all about the Benjamins for them. They want financial success more than glory on the pitch. Or, so it would seem. And if that is indeed true, I’d be thrilled for a similar buyer to come in, but who might be more invested in the glory part of owning a club the size of Spurs.

 

[VancouverSpur]

Nothing changes as far as the media is concerned . They fall over themselves trying to be the one that can say “see I told you he would fail at Spurs”

No surprise as a nation we are as divided as ever. As all we ever read or hear is an echo chamber of toxic negativity from the media constantly telling us how shit everything is. What they do with Spurs can be applied to any story good or bad.

 

[mdharris]

He's not wrong...

The bald guy on the right is on coke right? He is all over the place, unsettlingly so. He can’t focus on what Jordan is saying, isn’t listening half the time, is looking all different places, super fidgetey. Strange AF. Or is this just part of the talksport shtick?

 

[Mate]

Is he doing a press conference today?