FA Response to Robbie red

[jimbo]

I know this is a little late, interesting none-the-less. I contacted the FA over the dismissal of the red card appeal and I found an email in my inbox this morning to explain it.

Thank you for contacting The Football Association.
Under guidance from FIFA, The FA’s Regulatory Commission can only overturn a dismissal if the Commission is satisfied that the referee made a serious and obvious error.

In accordance with FIFA directives, The FA cannot ‘re-referee’ matches (this includes the upgrading and downgrading of red and yellow cards). In the interests of fairness, we do allow claims for wrongful dismissal in the case of serious and obvious error only – as an exception to FIFA’s general approach. This facility is not supposed to give players a second bite at the cherry but to allow claims to succeed only in very limited circumstances. The onus is on the appealing Club to prove that a serious and obvious error has been made. This will often be difficult where the case concerns a tackle which clearly merited a caution.

In relation to Robbie Keane’s appeal, after taking all evidence into account the Regulatory Commission rejected the appeal.

While I appreciate you may not agree with the decision in Mr Keane’s case, I can assure you that it was dealt with in line with all claims for wrongful dismissal and I would once again like to thank you for taking the time to contact us.

 

[Tickers]

Our appeal was fucked from the moment Ramos said it should have been a yellow. A lesson learned for the Spaniard there: whenever one of your players gets sent off, angrily insist it was never even a foul and, in fact, should have been a free-kick to us or something. Otherwise, under this ridiculous system, the red card will never be overturned.

The FA's desire not to re-referee games is admirable and understandable, but it does rather require them to find some people capable of refereeing them in the first place.

 

[david_spurs]

They are just sticking up for the referee. this week. there were more horrible unpunished tackles. EG Craig Gardner against Andrew cole. he got a yellow Card for goin too high on him and his boot going into cole's Stomach. Another one. The Scum yesterday. Fabregas doing a rugby tackle on cole. He got a yellow card. The refs are one week sending players off for most of the time nothing. Then the next week they let tackles like that go. Where is the consistants from the Referees. he Refs at the moment are not playing to the best ability. They need to improve. Keane's red card was wrong and shouldnt have been, At least we have won two games without him. and it hasnt made us suffer

 

[RamboRoberts]

Disgusting that Fabricarse gets a yellow for his very late tackle on Cashley Cole, and Keano gets no justice.

Double standards.

 

[DC_Boy]

it's true we've won the first two of the three games so that's great - however I'm convinced we'd have drawn the Brum game with 11 men - possibly have won it - so clear was our dominance

 

[Legend10]

What about John Terry yesterday?

He deserved his injury after he stayed on for 2 wild challneges in 5 minutes which could have both seen red cards. It's ridiculous that he can be allowed to get away with that type of behaviour, I'm all for robust play and love the physical side of the game but he twice went in with no other intention than to cause injury to the opponent and gets away with it.

I never saw Fabregas on Cole.

And on the original point what is the point in appealing when the FA admits that there is pretty much no chance of an overturn? Keane's challenge wasn't great but in no way warranted a red card and should have been overturned.

Surely it's time for Keith Hackett to attend these meetings and give an honest assesment, admit when a mistake has been made and assist the appeals process. People would feel a little more respect for the referee's association if at least justice prevailed in the long run and they helped to do that rather than closing ranks.

 

[rez9000]

I'm surprised you got a response jimbo. I still haven't had a reply to the letter I posted them.

 

[camaj]

So it seems like they're claiming they can't overturn it because it deserves a yellow?! Even that's very harsh!

 

[PT]

That's the Fair play route to UEFA down the swannie then. Seemingly if Arsenal come 7th tey'll have a decent chance what with their refs being blind and all that.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

against Man Utd, we deserved a penalty kick, but we lost

against Liverpool, we almost score 3-1 when Riena fouled Bale, Chimbonda had a chance to score on empty goal. The Referee decided to give Riena that foul !

against West Ham, we deserved a penalty and yellow card at least for Green, nothing on that.

against Birmingham, Lennon faced too many challeges by one Birmingham player on Lennon, and still only yellow card, then he sent Robbie Keane for one tackle, then .. the player who made bad tackle and injuried Gareth Bale wasn't given a red card as well.

I would like to see the manager made more harsh words on them, at least, may be they would feel for us. most of them are S**t and the F.A still calm or defending them.

 

[Legend10]

That's the Fair play route to UEFA down the swannie then. Seemingly if Arsenal come 7th tey'll have a decent chance what with their refs being blind and all that.

I think that we may currently be top of the fair play league.

Europe here we come!

 

[AllSeeingEye]

I think we should rely less on the FA and the refs to give us a result.

I watched the games on Sunday, and Chelsea and Arsenal were both to blame for making stupid challenges, and a fair amount of simulation.

As the game stood the ref did reasonably well. But against lesser teams? I hate seeing players with talent dive and roll about like nobs.

I thought Ramos may have been intending to bring that element into our game, but after consideration I prefer that we try to play fair footy, which save for Zokora's dive versus Pompey last year we have managed to do.

Funny that someone posted a thread about "what to do with the missus" during match days - my girl loves the Spurs and has managed to come along to several games and even three away in Europe last season, and one of the main reasons is that she feels that we play a fair game.

It's a shame about Robbie's card, but we haven't suffered points wise, and only the Man City away game in the cup could prove that wrong, but we should be prepared for any ropey decision and continue to play fair and within the law of the FA.

Yes, the FA should maybe review the downgrading possibilities, but they would do better to introduce some video playback for 4th assistants to help out. It would not lengthen the game IMO too much, and besides it's just stupid that football should be behind rugby, tennis, cricket and the others that use video since it generates so much money it's just not common business sense.

I have rambled. And lunch is now over......

 

[GDG]

So it seems like they're claiming they can't overturn it because it deserves a yellow?! Even that's very harsh!

We knew that before Keane even got his card, so I'm not really sure why the club bothered to appeal as they knew that he deserved a yellow for his foul.

 

[mark87]

The one I cant believe didn't get a straight red was Craig Gardner's foul on Dwight Yorke over the weekend, who only got a yellow for it. How it wasn't a red a do not know, he was no where near the ball and it was such a high 'challenge' as well, it was ridiculous.

 

[Legend10]

The one I cant believe didn't get a straight red was Craig Gardner's foul on Dwight Yorke over the weekend, who only got a yellow for it. How it wasn't a red a do not know, he was no where near the ball and it was such a high 'challenge' as well, it was ridiculous.

Could you imagine Bennett not giving Gardner a red for that at The Emirates, Old trafford, Anfiled or the Bridge?

Not a chance, he would have had that red card out so fast it would have caught fire.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I have got no problem with refs coming down to harsh on what is perceived as a dangerous tackle, my biggest gripe is that it isn't done even handedly. ManU get away with murder, Chelsea, Arse & liverpool all get the rub also. Also teams like Bolton & Blackburn seem to be treated differently as well (as if the refs make allowances because it is their default style).

It is a bit of an issue for me, serious foul play. It fucks me off far more than a bit of theatrical diving (with the obvious caviat of when we are on the receiving end).

It seems to be generally accepted now that a skillfull player will inevitably be fouled any time he beats anyone. And tackling is just as much an art as forward play. I think it was henry who said Ledley King was the best defender he'd played against because he could stop him without fouling him.

Yesterday there were half a dozen incidents that would have been a red if we'd done them. It's that bias that fucks me off.

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

I have got no problem with refs coming down to harsh on what is perceived as a dangerous tackle, my biggest gripe is that it isn't done even handedly. ManU get away with murder, Chelsea, Arse & liverpool all get the rub also. Also teams like Bolton & Blackburn seem to be treated differently as well (as if the refs make allowances because it is their default style).

It is a bit of an issue for me, serious foul play. It fucks me off far more than a bit of theatrical diving (with the obvious caviat of when we are on the receiving end).

It seems to be generally accepted now that a skillfull player will inevitably be fouled any time he beats anyone. And tackling is just as much an art as forward play. I think it was henry who said Ledley King was the best defender he'd played against because he could stop him without fouling him.

Yesterday there were half a dozen incidents that would have been a red if we'd done them. It's that bias that fucks me off.

I totally agrre, take you back to the chelsea game a couple of years ago when mido got sent off for elbowing del horno he hardly touched him.

but 2 minutes before that davids went trhough 1 on 1 and was tripped by essien and spurs got nothing for it.

the top 4 think its one rule for them and one rule for others.

its was funny seeing terry get sent of a year later though..:clap:

 

[Legend10]

I totally agrre, take you back to the chelsea game a couple of years ago when mido got sent off for elbowing del horno he hardly touched him.

but 2 minutes before that davids went trhough 1 on 1 and was tripped by essien and spurs got nothing for it.

the top 4 think its one rule for them and one rule for others.

its was funny seeing terry get sent of a year later though..:clap:

Mido actually wasn't sent off for elbowing, he was sent off for going for the ball too aggressively, what a load of bollocks.

The referee was Rob Styles and 1 week later he booked essien against Bolton for 1 of the worst over the top tackles that the Premiership has seen.

The top 4 think it's one rule for them and one rule for the others because in general it is.

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

Mido actually wasn't sent off for elbowing, he was sent off for going for the ball too aggressively, what a load of bollocks.

The referee was Rob Styles and 1 week later he booked essien against Bolton for 1 of the worst over the top tackles that the Premiership has seen.

The top 4 think it's one rule for them and one rule for the others because in general it is.

styles is full of :bs:

 

[Legend10]

styles is full of :bs:

Totally.

There is no way that Styles isn't a Chelsea fan, he cheats so heavily when refereeing them it's embarrassing for all concerned.

He will even cheat for them against the other top boys, Chelseas penalty at Anfield this season being a classic.