FIFA the World Cup, Qatar and Human Rights

[Archibald&Crooks]

As if the beehive needed a stick poking into it

How Qatar’s riches touch millions of UK lives

From how you heat your home to where you shop, the UK's links to Qatar may be part of your day-to-day life.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is where the moral high ground can get a bit slippery. Just how far do we go with it.

 

[Houdini]

As if the beehive needed a stick poking into it

How Qatar’s riches touch millions of UK lives

From how you heat your home to where you shop, the UK's links to Qatar may be part of your day-to-day life.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is where the moral high ground can get a bit slippery. Just how far do we go with it.

Sooooo....if we even think about wearing an arm band we are gonna get fucked!
Maybe Qatar needs invading/liberating for everyone's good.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Sooooo....if we even think about wearing an arm band we are gonna get fucked!
Maybe Qatar needs invading/liberating for everyone's good.

Don’t shop at Saino’s and if you bank at Barclays……….

 

[McFlash]

Your post is actually a wonderful example of what I was saying. Reverting to insulting language and moral highground, to make, effectively, the same point I was making (at least regarding the LGBTQ community).

Regarding your point about "being told" to stay in, as I said, which perhaps you didn't read, there's no doubt we had to stay in. The problem I referred to, was one encountered in many countries (believe it or not there are other countries apart from the UK or the US), notably Greece, Cyprus and other Mediterranean nations, where we had to actually sent a text to the government. FYI, in Cyprus, an individual was actually imprisoned for seeing his girlfriend after the 9pm curfew. Yes, that's right, curfew.

Additionally, I must warn that when you or the government or anyone else make policies and measures, for any matter, on the basis that you're making policies for "idiots", then there can be no respect for human rights there, of course. It's a dangerous precedent. The "I know what's good for you" basis.

I am a firm believer of these most basic freedoms. Whilst I don't like the tone of your, what I consider unnecessarily rude and aggravating post, I will always respect your right to say what you want to me or anyone else. Without that freedom, we are well and truly fucked. That was my initial point.

You spent the opening part of your post harping on about my "guff" re-human rights, then spent the rest of your post complaining about human rights in the US. My post, regarding the LGBTQ community, was not a post on your behalf. I'm not your representative. It was a point I was making regarding the mainstream media coverage. Perhaps if you weren't so self-obsessed you would have seen that written down as opposed to rushing to write such an insulting post. I was not speaking for you. I was speaking for me. Something I'm allowed to do even if you can't stand to see an opinion you don't agree with.

The COVID stuff has been done to death in the correct thread, so I'm going to skip that.

If you find the term "guff" insulting, well, sorry but that's about as polite as I could be.

As for the last paragraph of your initial post, maybe you should look at how it reads because for me, you appear to be tarring everyone with the same brush.
As in "we don't care".

If my reply came across as insulting, then I apologise but I'll also say that I was insulted by what you appeared to be insinuating.

 

[dontcallme]

As if the beehive needed a stick poking into it

How Qatar’s riches touch millions of UK lives

From how you heat your home to where you shop, the UK's links to Qatar may be part of your day-to-day life.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is where the moral high ground can get a bit slippery. Just how far do we go with it.

That’s the difficulty we face. I think we can be individually moral and stand up for human rights injustices even if it gets murky.

I don’t see it as having a moral high ground. I have an opinion on right and wrong and happy to live by it as much as I can and discuss it where I can.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That’s the difficulty we face. I think we can be individually moral and stand up for human rights injustices even if it gets murky.

I don’t see it as having a moral high ground. I have an opinion on right and wrong and happy to live by it as much as I can and discuss it where I can.

I'm not too sure moral high ground was the right phrase to use here on my part (You have to be very careful how you word things on here ) but I do think it'd be interesting to see how many people took a look at that and stopped spending money in Sainsbury's for example. I guess these little things wouldn't even make a dent in the grand scheme of things and it's best left to people in the public eye to act on behalf of the peasantry, basic right and human decency. Maybe not even best left, more effective I suppose would be a better way of putting it.

 

[dontcallme]

I'm not too sure moral high ground was the right phrase to use here on my part (You have to be very careful how you word things on here ) but I do think it'd be interesting to see how many people took a look at that and stopped spending money in Sainsbury's for example. I guess these little things wouldn't even make a dent in the grand scheme of things and it's best left to people in the public eye to act on behalf of the peasantry, basic right and human decency. Maybe not even best left, more effective I suppose would be a better way of putting it.

Problem with that is, I don’t really have any idea if the money I spend is going to a good place. If I buy my jeans elsewhere do I really know they’re not coming from a sweatshop or slave labour?

But not abusing homosexuals or denying their right to exist is pretty different.

I think you have a fair point but it’s a false equivalence.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Problem with that is, I don’t really have any if the money I spend is going to a good place. If I buy my jeans elsewhere do I really know they’re not coming from a sweatshop or slave labour?

But not abusing homosexuals or denying their right to exist is pretty different.

I think you have a fair point but it’s a false equivalence.

False equivalence? You made the comparison not me

My actual point was , I suppose, look at how easy it is to spend money with these people and not know it. They are all over the place.

But it's a serious subject, get the words exact or else. I didn't take care

 

[dontcallme]

False equivalence? You made the comparison not me

My actual point was , I suppose, look at how easy it is to spend money with these people and not know it. They are all over the place.

But it's a serious subject, get the words exact or else.

When you said “This is where the moral high ground can get a bit slippery. Just how far do we go with it” I assumed you were talking about us speaking out against their human rights record and comparing it to where we spend our money.

If not, I then fair enough.

 

[archiewasking]

So is anyone on here still refusing to watch? Even though no one but yourself knows that?

 

[dontcallme]

So is anyone on here still refusing to watch? Even though no one but yourself knows that?

I believe Scat and one or two others.

For me, it needed a mass boycott or not at all. Though that might just be me copping out.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

I believe Scat and one or two others.

For me, it needed a mass boycott or not at all. Though that might just be me copping out.

Don't make that blaggard out to be a martyr @scat1620

 

[dontcallme]

Don't make that blaggard out to be a martyr @scat1620

He’s not the hero we needed, or the one we wanted, or the one that achieved anything.

But (insert a positive as I’m struggling).

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

He’s not the hero we needed, or the one we wanted, or the one that achieved anything.

But (he knows copious ways to execute high value targets).

FYP

 

[vicbob]

So is anyone on here still refusing to watch? Even though no one but yourself knows that?

Not in the refusing to watch it camp, more the , "can't be arsed to watch cos I have very little interest as the fun has been sucked out of it" camp. Really not getting the WC vibe at all.

 

[nailsy]

I believe Scat and one or two others.

For me, it needed a mass boycott or not at all. Though that might just be me copping out.

I'm pretty sure @scat1620 doesn't watch any football these days. I think he would use a more deadly kind of protest anyway.

Agree with you about needing a mass boycott, but even then they've already sold the TV rights for the next world cup so it would be a long time before you saw any consequences.

 

[scat1620]

I'm pretty sure @scat1620 doesn't watch any football these days. I think he would use a more deadly kind of protest anyway.

Agree with you about needing a mass boycott, but even then they've already sold the TV rights for the next world cup so it would be a long time before you saw any consequences.

Haven't watched/followed any football at all since the Premier League was suspended for the first covid lockdown in spring 2020. Much happier for it, I recommend you all give it a try!

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Haven't watched/followed any football at all since the Premier League was suspended for the first covid lockdown in spring 2020. Much happier for it, I recommend you all give it a try!

Agreed. For me it was since Jose was made manager, I went on s personal boycott .. I’ve never watched another game since and I’m pretty happy with that

 

[nailsy]

Interesting that Southgate has said that Kane couldn't have worn the armband even if he wanted to as it wasn't given to him.
He also seemed to say that there was a threat that any player wearing it could've been sent off before they even took the pitch.

England feared red card for those wearing OneLove armband at World Cup

Gareth Southgate admits there is now a ‘risk’ with what comes next, with Germany making a statement with their team photo before the Japan match

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Amo]

So is anyone on here still refusing to watch? Even though no one but yourself knows that?

me.

I consume all the coverage on, in, and around the event because that actually has real world significance. I don’t watch the actual football.

not really a boycott and more the fact I just can’t enjoy a game of football played in this context. Thousands dead and tens of thousands enslaved so 22 grown men can chase a ball around a field for 90 minutes.