FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[Thewobbler]

ETH going to Newcastle would be a massive step down.

I'd be gobsmacked if he went there. ETH should and could be in line for the top jobs over the next 18 months, and at the very worst could get the Spurs job. Newcastle are YEARS away from challenging, they need a complete squad overhaul. Not just a few new players. Newcastle need to hire a manager who can get them up and around the top 6 before they make a move for someone like ETH IMO. I'm not saying ETH is that elite, but why leave Ajax and waste a few years at Newcastle trying to get them into the top 4. There are still 4 massive clubs in the PL they'd need to overhaul, as well as us, Leicester, West Ham etc etc

It might be a step down but one thing he is gauranteed is a healthy transfer budget every window.

 

[leray]

We hope this but what if the club don’t actually see it that way? I mean, I wouldn’t put it past the no hopers.

On some level certainly. He came as the 7th choice after:

1. Coach we followed for quite a few years, who was a candidate alongside Mourinho and is regarded in Europe as the best young coach. He was soon snatched by Bayern
2. Former Bayern manager, who won the Champions League with high-pressing, high-possession style.
3. Our best manager in the Premier League era with whom we played in the Champions League final.
4. Multiple league winner in the Serie A and Premier League.
5. Young coach with offensive pedigree.
6. Former Italian national team legend with a good reputation as an attacking coach in Italy.

I'm not mentioning Ten Hag or Potter because they weren't serious options. But both were higher on the list when Nuno was leaving Wolverhampton. Nuno WASN'T even on the list, because his style was dismissed as too defensive.

You could see that after Conte fiasco we've decided to go for a short-term appointment. Still, in Fonseca and Gattuso, we've found managers with offensive pedigree.

We needed a manager so Paratici could get players. Simple as that. After Gattuso was vetoed by fans and then Levy, we needed just anyone.

So after negotiations collapsed with 7 different managers, including one vetoed by fans because the man is a homophobe, we've appointed Nuno Espirito Santo who was never an option until we needed just anyone so someone could lead a training session.

It's as close to a caretaker as you can get.

 

[Thewobbler]

I'm not mentioning Ten Hag or Potter because they weren't serious options.

I thought Ten hag was someone levy wanted. Maybe an ITK will clear that up.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I thought Ten hag was someone levy wanted. Maybe an ITK will clear that up.

ITK said Levy didn’t like how he interviewed I believe. Hitchen was very keen on ETH.

 

[spursfan77]

On some level certainly. He came as the 7th choice after:

1. Coach we followed for quite a few years, who was a candidate alongside Mourinho and is regarded in Europe as the best young coach. He was soon snatched by Bayern
2. Former Bayern manager, who won the Champions League with high-pressing, high-possession style.
3. Our best manager in the Premier League era with whom we played in the Champions League final.
4. Multiple league winner in the Serie A and Premier League.
5. Young coach with offensive pedigree.
6. Former Italian national team legend with a good reputation as an attacking coach in Italy.

I'm not mentioning Ten Hag or Potter because they weren't serious options. But both were higher on the list when Nuno was leaving Wolverhampton. Nuno WASN'T even on the list, because his style was dismissed as too defensive.

You could see that after Conte fiasco we've decided to go for a short-term appointment. Still, in Fonseca and Gattuso, we've found managers with offensive pedigree.

We needed a manager so Paratici could get players. Simple as that. After Gattuso was vetoed by fans and then Levy, we needed just anyone.

So after negotiations collapsed with 7 different managers, including one vetoed by fans because the man is a homophobe, we've appointed Nuno Espirito Santo who was never an option until we needed just anyone so someone could lead a training session.

It's as close to a caretaker as you can get.

I’m just playing Devil’s advocate really. But what if they seriously are happy with the appointment and happy with where the club is currently sat? They aren’t us, they aren’t really emotionally invested in it. They could be seated around all perfectly happy with how things are and have gone so far. Levy’s not having to pay him much (comparatively) and he’s towing the party line.

 

[taricco]

Unfortunately, I think it’s very unlikely that Nuno goes this season. Barring an absolute dire run of results and/or drastic drop down the table, he is the caretaker manager.

It’s annoying and frustrating but let’s be honest, no way are the club losing face over it unless they absolutely have to.

best thing to do a take a few steps back this season. Don’t get frustrated and follow from a distance. I’m not watching games at the moment and my mental health is much better on the weekends.

 

[sidford]

I thought Ten hag was someone levy wanted. Maybe an ITK will clear that up.

There was itk that levy went for him a few times during those 10 weeks but never pulled the trigger on him.
I never thought I would say this but maybe that prick Jamie redknapp was right when he said that the only person levy listens to is the last person he spoke to, would help to explain the shit show of the summer where he set the club back several years by not being able to decide on a manager and ended up with Nuno....... Jaysus how bad are things when I'm seeing logic in what Jamie has said, you've done this to me levy

 

[BujuBanton]

He was the wrong appointment. It was evident the , its more evident now.
If this club had any ambition to be successful they would pull the trigger

but its all about face. As per usual

 

[YB123]

He was the wrong appointment. It was evident the , its more evident now.
If this club had any ambition to be successful they would pull the trigger

but its all about face. As per usual

Of course it is. The longer he stays the easier it is on Paratici and Nuno.

I just think if we get knocked out tomorrow and United beat us convincingly, it is going to be extremely toxic....

 

[Thewobbler]

He was the wrong appointment. It was evident the , its more evident now.
If this club had any ambition to be successful they would pull the trigger

but its all about face. As per usual

Look how long it took them to get nuno in. They wont pull the trigger unless things get dire and we tumble down the table.

 

[sidford]

Of course it is. The longer he stays the easier it is on Paratici and Nuno.

I just think if we get knocked out tomorrow and United beat us convincingly, it is going to be extremely toxic....

Is toxicer a word??

 

[Mackan110]

Sorry to say but Nuno won't be sacked for a while.
Give it to new year and then see how things are looking.

I just can't understand how it's possible Levy was so stupid to first go for Jose and now Nuno and then have the balls to talk about our DNA...

 

[parklane yid]

If we lose to united and Everton which is likely he will go in international break. We would be bottom half of table with a minus goal difference. Also we have to beat Vitesse and Burnley in that period also. Nuno is fighting to save job here

 

[Stamford]

This season is still salvageable. He should have gone after the emirates performance. I like him as a guy but I've seen enough tbh

 

[Ghost Hardware]

It might be a step down but one thing he is gauranteed is a healthy transfer budget every window.

And with Overmas there he will be given a comfortable space to develop the team his way. It’s actually an ideal situation for him tbh. Money, good player recruitment and time. The owners know how much time will be needed to get to where they want and with DOF on his side he will have more security then if he went to Utd or Barca as well as the players that will work in his system.

 

[danielneeds]

ETH going to Newcastle would be a massive step down.

I'd be gobsmacked if he went there. ETH should and could be in line for the top jobs over the next 18 months, and at the very worst could get the Spurs job. Newcastle are YEARS away from challenging, they need a complete squad overhaul. Not just a few new players. Newcastle need to hire a manager who can get them up and around the top 6 before they make a move for someone like ETH IMO. I'm not saying ETH is that elite, but why leave Ajax and waste a few years at Newcastle trying to get them into the top 4. There are still 4 massive clubs in the PL they'd need to overhaul, as well as us, Leicester, West Ham etc etc

Incorrect. He’ll basically be given time and access to the world’s best young players who they’ll look to sign. And then unlike Ajax, he won’t have to sell the best of them when he gets it all clicking.

 

[rabbikeane]

Us fans need to take responsibility if we want a change, stop going to games, stop spending money, unsubscribe, and let the board know what type of manager we demand.
It should be so easy, we should always have a manager that want to play. That's the most basic thing at this club.

 

[KaribYid]

ITK said Levy didn’t like how he interviewed I believe. Hitchen was very keen on ETH.

The same Levy who was caught hook line and sinker by AVBs power point presentations.

Further shows why football people need to be leading these processes. Interviews are a good way to get to know someone but as a major part of the hiring process, it's far less useful in football than it is in business.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Again, we've missed our chance.

Could have got him in the summer for relative peanuts.

Newcastle will most likely get Overmars as a DOF too and give it 1-2 years and they'll surpass us comfortably.

It's actually impressive to see how much we've regressed since 2018 - well done Daniel!

They’ll surpass us because they have the wealth of a sovereign state backing them. Nothing more than that. Even if we had the Guadiola in charge and the best DOF around they would still eventually surpass us.

 

[shelfboy68]

This is why getting the appointment wrong in the summer is such a big deal. It's not a case of sacking him and correcting the error. We have to give him time, or at least be seen to be giving him time so we don't look trigger-happy to prospective coaches, and so the chairman and DOF don't lose face. We also presumably have to back him with players he'd want (but other managers may not). Having a DOF signing players is supposed to mitigate that but this only works if we appoint managers with similar philosophies, otherwise we may as well let every manager have a clear-out and sign their own guys. It was a dreadful decision that may cost us for some time yet.

Yes it was a big deal mate literally we are a laughing stock after the circus of the manager search if you could call it that.
He isn't right for the job we all know it and so does he but unless something drastic happens we are stuck with him.
Only Chelsea can get away with changing the manager that frequently but then they are hugely successful were as we are paupers.
Let's be honest Nuno wouldn't even get a job at Chelsea managing the women's team, the difference being they are winners instead of being losers like us.
The club is a mess with fans losing interest because of the poor decisions, recruitment and medicority on show, Nuno, players and us fans are all victims of levy and his incompetence.