I feel like this is how Levy has operated. I know there is luck involved, but nearly every thing that has gone right you could apply those words to.
FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo
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I feel like this is how Levy has operated. I know there is luck involved, but nearly every thing that has gone right you could apply those words to.
shelfboy68
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We can't even get Europa League let alone CLGod, it's so depressing.
I really think we missed our window of opportunity to push on when Liverpool, Utd, and Chelsea were struggling for consistency.
Those teams now look light years ahead of us and I really dread to think when we'll actually see champions league football again
Thesoccershrink
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I think this thread is too negative. We withstood pressure pretty well for a lot of the game and I think there's plenty to be hopeful about. Anyway, enough of the Women's team...
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Here all week.
football works in cycles.God, it's so depressing.
I really think we missed our window of opportunity to push on when Liverpool, Utd, and Chelsea were struggling for consistency.
Those teams now look light years ahead of us and I really dread to think when we'll actually see champions league football again
though i can’t see how, given how poorly we play and how poorly we are run, we’ll be back. somehow, some way, we will be back.
Goobers
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I agree that I think we missed our chance to really push on when the going was good ... but that is gone now.
We need to move forward. This is a transition period and we need to identify and square with that in my opinion. I like the manager and think he seems like a very good mana nd the kind of person I can get behind. However I understand some of the fears about his ability to coach us and to and at the level we wish. however I think Fabio and some of the signings have been made with the medium and long term in sight and not just the short term. I do however think that we want something to enjoy this season and I think the league form will be a little up and down. I do think that for a short term injection ion positivity we should be aiming to win the ECL. This season will not be easy but I am hoping that I can engage in this process and team and certainly the feeling after the City game is one I can get on board with - I hope for more like that.
We need to move forward. This is a transition period and we need to identify and square with that in my opinion. I like the manager and think he seems like a very good mana nd the kind of person I can get behind. However I understand some of the fears about his ability to coach us and to and at the level we wish. however I think Fabio and some of the signings have been made with the medium and long term in sight and not just the short term. I do however think that we want something to enjoy this season and I think the league form will be a little up and down. I do think that for a short term injection ion positivity we should be aiming to win the ECL. This season will not be easy but I am hoping that I can engage in this process and team and certainly the feeling after the City game is one I can get on board with - I hope for more like that.
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The statistics are spot on and give us facts. But they on't give us the truth. The truth that Nuno has never managed at this level before. The truth that Jose has managed and won everything in the game. The truth that the sqaud is weaker now tan it has been since Poch started ( in my opinion). It also neglects or denies that Nuno, himself, could grow and learn as a manager and a coach at this club. We all think that players can grow when they get moves but we always assume that managers are the finished products which I find bizarre. I don't mean to sound overly optimistic because believe me I am not but I am trying to reason with the situation and its ins and outs.
Nuno has Managed at Porto and Valencia. I would say they are both clubs of a similar size to us.
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That's a very good point. Do you think that having been at those clubs and come to a "lesser" ( I really hate that) club currently than Wolves and the to us will have any bearing ? Do you think he can improve as a coach ? I do - I am just not sure how much and how quickly
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Or it was a very specific set of circumstances where half the team was missing and we had to play Davies and Rodon at CB while only having two subs available in the second half, one of which was spent on mitigating a red card.
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The discrepancy between Levy's statement about Nuno being the right man to revive Spurs' DNA, and what we're currently witnessing is just ... mind-boggling.
Goobers
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Yes but only if you assume that it stays that way. Only if you assume the guy has nothing more to give. Only if you assume the playing staff aren't capable of more under him. Obviously if all those things are true you are bang on. But I am not sure they are - I can't say they will improve or if they do they will improve significantly but I am just asking the question.
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Yeah even the most pro Levy fans have to admit that there looked to be no plan at all this summer and indeed further back than that. I think that is what is making fans feel extra pissed off, the feeling that there isn't a plan at the club from Levy down.
We all hope Paratici has a plan, but hiring Nuno was just so meh, and the fact the he wants pragmatic coaches here just does not bode well at all.
I suspect if Nuno flops, Paratici will follow soon after if not at the same time. Not sure even Levy would want another defensive manager in yet again.
People go on about the money, but the other top 4 look so well run nowadays. Sacking Lampard for Tuchel was a master stroke, they are largely the same team and they are so so much better. But it's not enough, we needed great squad building too and we don't even have that.
It just never seems like there is anybody at Spurs with an eye for a player who turns around and says, no don't buy (Sissoko, Doherty), or he's rubbish sell him (Winks)
It's basically Levy making squad building decisions. Now we have Paratici doing it but making odd manager choices.
The fact that Levy can make such a blatant public lie to the fans and weeks later we appoint a defensive pragmatic manager shows he either has complete disdain for the fans and thinks we are thick plebs, or he is incompetent, clueless and winging it. Or all of the above.
I think based on Levy’s DNA, attractive coach message, the stadium will get really toxic if these performances continue. I hope he is held to account at some point.
As Jose found out, when you are winning, the dire performances get overlooked, but as soon as they stop, and they always do because teams can’t play dire and continue to spawn wins, the crowd turns real quick.
We all hope Paratici has a plan, but hiring Nuno was just so meh, and the fact the he wants pragmatic coaches here just does not bode well at all.
I suspect if Nuno flops, Paratici will follow soon after if not at the same time. Not sure even Levy would want another defensive manager in yet again.
People go on about the money, but the other top 4 look so well run nowadays. Sacking Lampard for Tuchel was a master stroke, they are largely the same team and they are so so much better. But it's not enough, we needed great squad building too and we don't even have that.
It just never seems like there is anybody at Spurs with an eye for a player who turns around and says, no don't buy (Sissoko, Doherty), or he's rubbish sell him (Winks)
It's basically Levy making squad building decisions. Now we have Paratici doing it but making odd manager choices.
The fact that Levy can make such a blatant public lie to the fans and weeks later we appoint a defensive pragmatic manager shows he either has complete disdain for the fans and thinks we are thick plebs, or he is incompetent, clueless and winging it. Or all of the above.
I think based on Levy’s DNA, attractive coach message, the stadium will get really toxic if these performances continue. I hope he is held to account at some point.
As Jose found out, when you are winning, the dire performances get overlooked, but as soon as they stop, and they always do because teams can’t play dire and continue to spawn wins, the crowd turns real quick.
CheeseGromit
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All this discussion after 4 PL games and a Euro competition no one wants to be in
Has had limited time with the players before the season start. How do impose a style in that short of time
Unable to pick 1st XL in any game but (maybe Watford)
Plays his last game with significant impact on team selection from internationals Has a player sent off and Senior defence partner injured on 12 minutes
Has star player only just coming to terms with his lot and the most expensive player being obstreperous He walked into great harmony and ha so much to work with, I think not
Very easy I'm sure Don't know why he isn't playing with gay abandon
Wasn't my choice of manager but I think he deserves a decent run AVB and MP needed time AVB style never caught on and MP's evolved
There would be as much discussion or worse if we had gone out attacked been torn apart and bottom of the league and player confidence ebbing away
Has had limited time with the players before the season start. How do impose a style in that short of time
Unable to pick 1st XL in any game but (maybe Watford)
Plays his last game with significant impact on team selection from internationals Has a player sent off and Senior defence partner injured on 12 minutes
Has star player only just coming to terms with his lot and the most expensive player being obstreperous He walked into great harmony and ha so much to work with, I think not
Very easy I'm sure Don't know why he isn't playing with gay abandon
Wasn't my choice of manager but I think he deserves a decent run AVB and MP needed time AVB style never caught on and MP's evolved
There would be as much discussion or worse if we had gone out attacked been torn apart and bottom of the league and player confidence ebbing away
Yes I think Coaches can improve but they can also gain more credibility within the game so their ideas become respected and have a better chance of being followed by the players and fans who will believe in them more. NES has done well after being 10th choice to get the fans on side by being likable and calm. He fucked up on Saturday.
A coach can just gel with a team of players and the atmosphere of a club, Santo has a real chance to gel with this group of players who want a family feel and holistic approach to management, he's giving himself the best chance with the way he is coming across.
To Nuno's credit hes made the players fitter and seemingly work harder. I don't care about the possession stuff and I don't think the fans do, they want to see Tottenham run and fight, that's why everyone was so high after Manchester City. We also need to get out speed and power back, when we were at our best under Pochettino Spurs were fast and Powerful. We've gotten slower and weaker each year, losing Dembele, Wanyama, Walker, Vertonghen, Rose. Kane doesn't want to fight like a number 9 anymore, he wants to drift around like hes Messi and come deep like old Rooney and turn and spray it. Alli got very unfit and weak but is trying to make a comeback.
I think Nuno wants us to get more powerful and fast, Wolves were like that. We looked weak and unfit a lot last year. We looked fitter at the start of this season and I liked it when the rumours are during pre season he wanted to toughen us up.
He said right after the Man City game that Alli is a runner and he needs to run, he wanted to buy Traore, hes allowed Hojbjerg off the leash, Moura, Son and Bergwijn were a great narrow fast aggressive front 3 during the first 1 and a half games. Ndombele won't play until he works hard. We bought Romero and Royal two very physical defenders. Tanganga is hyped up and aggressive.
The signs are good from Nuno with regard to understanding the problem, we lack quality in a couple of positions and we don't know what we are going to get from Kane. Theres only so much he can do but what he can do is make us faster, fitter and stronger. Hes done that so far. He put in a simple hard working simple structure for the first 3 games but Palace was a nightmare. He needs to cut some people out and/or read the riot act to a few, Nuno made mistakes but hes allowed a mistake as a coach imo.
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I'm just as concerned with what he's said than the shit performance.
He said we had problems before the red card. Yet he did absolutely zero to change it.
He also said we controlled the first half. It was like listening to Jose. We didn't control it at all. Palace should've been 1 up with the Gallagher chance.
He said we had problems before the red card. Yet he did absolutely zero to change it.
He also said we controlled the first half. It was like listening to Jose. We didn't control it at all. Palace should've been 1 up with the Gallagher chance.
Goobers
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That's an excellent post - thanks Phil. Love it
ryanyourself
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Every manager needs some time to make the team his. City were poor under Pep in his first year, Liverpool hardly pulled up trees under Klopp in year one. So what, we lost to Palace away with half of our team out. Every single one of us would have taken 9pts from our opening 4 matches before the season started.
