FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[Rout-Ledge]

Classic Levy, cheaping out in the summer resulting in having to spend even more to fix it with no doubt worse results than if he’d stumped up the cash for someone good at the right time.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If he goes, Levy is in a whole heap of shit. He can't go back to Mason because that's a huge admission of failure, not only in the manager search, which was a huge fuck up anyway, but in his appointment of Paratici as well. He has to get this next call right, so sacking Nuno and appointing Mason, however temporarily, isn't going to cut it, most names who might be seen as 'getting it right' would be currently employed (Conte aside), which leaves him looking for a caretaker (once afuckinggain) who can at least keep us going until the end of the season.

Would Eddie Howe take the job in those circumstances? Just for six months? Would it be better to appoint someone familiar with the club that isn't Mason? Klinsmann or Hoddle perhaps? I can't see it being them, nor Redknapp. When you look for candidates it all looks very skinny. I mean, who'd want it? Fat Sam? Name after name you just can't see happening, it's a very very tough call and I don't feel sorry for Levy one bit, this whole situation is another fuck up of his own making. So who would really want it just for a few months? Someone surely? If he does sack Nuno and goes caretaker, he really really needs to get the next perma patsy right. And even if he does, can anyone really guarantee his interference won't hamstring the guy?

I can't see any good around this from whatever angle short of him leaving the club, people have wised up to him now, I don't mean the fans, but prospective managers too are reportedly thinking twice because of his reputation. I'd bet that some other club chairmen would rather not sell to him either. It's all far too messy and it's coming out on top now, it's actually very worrying. It's got to the stage where almost anything he does now is going to be seen as bollocks.

A quick trawl tells me the following list of 'better' coaches are available (or might be depending on the accuracy of the site I used)

Favre
Hughes
Conte
Zidane
Ranieri
Fonseca (Fuck my life)
Martinez (Diego)
Wilder
Setien
AVB (Double fuck my life)
Roy Hodgson out of retirement for six months? Yep that's how ridiculous it all is

And who would be seen as the right man on a perm deal? ten Hag, Conte and i'm on the fence with Gerrard and ZZ, anyone else? Really?

Fucked

We're so fucked.

#wellandtrulytriplefucked

I'm sure there are some unforeseen twists and turns to come. Strap in, strap on and enjoy the ride whilst you're being ridden. If you can

Absolutely summed it up perfectly and you’ve called this about Levy for a while to be fair, as you say the worrying thing is it’s not even now just our fans and media who are wising up but other clubs and players and managers so we(Levy) are in a very very sticky situation with pretty much no easy way out.

You’re right he HAS to get the next perm man right but he HAD to get it right this summer not because if he didn’t then he would come under pressure (he will but nothing will change) but because of the impact getting it wrong AGAIN would have on the club.

There is only so much negativity that can keep surfacing before the football side well and truely starts to rot because there is such a lack of trust and believe in the plan and decisions from above and I think we are seeing that now.

Look at the body language of the likes of Hugo, Dier, PEH, Son, Kane, these guys are absolutely DONE with it all and that combined with a manger who is the wrong fit is a recipe for disaster especially when as you say there is no real obvious way to fix this now which is why we needed to have got it right this summer.

I don’t think we will but it would be the most SpursyLevy outcome for us to have built the new stadium and then get relegated, it would sum up the farce and lack of a clue behind the scenes on the football side for the last 20 years under Levy/ENIC.

Whichever way this goes it looks so very bad all round, Nuno goes then Paratici got it wrong and Levy got it wrong AGAIN by hiring Paratici who chose a guy who doesn’t fit our club.

So where do we go from here if(when) Nuno goes.

We’d almost definitely have to get a caretaker in at some point, Mason did ok he got us playing some ok stuff and the players like him so he’d be the obvious choice but it shouldn’t be for long we need a plan out of this.

I’d rather Mason than Eddie Howe short term, Klinsmann is a terrible club manager but if we were really in the shit he could possibly come in and lift the spirits for a few games but again don’t want that and Hoddle is too old and with his heart thing he won’t do it, Redknapp doesn’t work now and Hodgsons football is from the Stone age.

None of the names on your list seem like a good fit really, Farve perhaps, Zidane perhaps but I think we really need to highlight 3-4 targets possibly in jobs currently and buy them out from their contracts whatever it takes.

I can’t see Potter or Rogers coming to us in this mess if they weren’t interested before, can’t see even Brentford’s manager leaving them mid season but there must be some managers who fit what we need for whom they’d like the challenge and it would be a step up for their careers and who we could convince and that is down to the club to work out.

If not then as you say who can we get in to be caretaker for most of not all the rest of the season and even then who is the right next guy, it has to be a project type manager who plays football the way we want to see it.

I still think Ten Haag or Potter or Lopetgui or possibly Gerrard could all be good options, no chance Conte comes near us in this mess and don’t think we should go for him anyway as we really now need a manager who fits what the fans want to see.

As you say we are triplefucked with no way out and one little bald man ?‍? is yet again to blame.

I love this club and hope we can get out of this mess but it’s the most worried I’ve been for about 20 years, we are an absolute clusterfuck mess.

COYS

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Crazy thing is the revenue from tickets and drinks for the boxing the other night alone would pay a years’ salary for a top top manage r

You’re right, it would…. But we don’t get the revenue from those ticket sales. We maybe get £2 to £3m max when hosting an event.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think he knows he fucked up with the whole hoofball strategy, it's crazy that he even tried it but I don't think he will do it again. Next thing he tries to implement is back 3 formation I think (he played it once so far IIRC), it's dangerous to practice new formations with low morale and in the middle of the season so we'll see. At this point he doesn't have much to lose, Hojbjerg and Lucas already voicing some complaints, Kane cosplaying as Brewster, him on a short contract, no Traore and Mendes backup etc. We are still in all Cups so he will get some time even if we lose to Villa.

Middle of the season is generous! We're still in September and so far we've lurched from low block and counter initially, to trying to press high up the pitch vs Chelsea, to long ball vs Arsenal, in Europe (admittedly against a qualifying minnow) we've had a back three experiment and then something like a Guardiola rip-off. We've had overly defensive midfields, then swung to the other extreme in the blink of an eye.

I know the pressure is on to get results but when you're six weeks in and already burning through tactical experiments that is not a good look. Gives the impression he doesn't know what to do or that he has any faith in his methods, and so in turn everyone involved - players, fans, staff - will inevitably quickly lose faith in him.

 

[mmidgers]

Classic Levy, cheaping out in the summer resulting in having to spend even more to fix it with no doubt worse results than if he’d stumped up the cash for someone good at the right time.

It blows my mind that he consistently repeats this course of action over and over with nearly every aspect of the footballing side of the club. Sometimes I wonder if he realises that we are in fact a football team. Maybe he's just so balls deep in his property portfolio that he just couldn't give a shit.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Classic Levy, cheaping out in the summer resulting in having to spend even more to fix it with no doubt worse results than if he’d stumped up the cash for someone good at the right time.

Yep, Bizarre he keeps making the same mistakes again and again.
That lack of investment under poch when we were the 2nd best team was epic. Trying to get jack grealish for nothing when he was available for a gettable price was ridiculous.
Giving Jose the cheap options of rodon and bergwjin was typical



I think the few success he's had with the cheap alternatives makes him believe he's forever correct

 

[Monkey boy]

This has all the hallmarks of a Harry Redknapp Caretaker Manager feel to it. The worst part of it all, id actually be ok with that, thats how far we've fallen that id now happily take a guy who wins more TV Game shows than football matches. FML

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Yep, Bizarre he keeps making the same mistakes again and again.
That lack of investment under poch when we were the 2nd best team was epic. Trying to get jack grealish for nothing when he was available for a gettable price was ridiculous.
Going Jose the cheap options of rodon and bergwjin was typical



I think the few success he's had with the cheap alternatives makes him believe he's forever correct

isn't him a target by Hitchen?

 

[Dakes]

Classic Levy, cheaping out in the summer resulting in having to spend even more to fix it with no doubt worse results than if he’d stumped up the cash for someone good at the right time.

We’ve known for a long time that the man is penny wise and pound foolish. It’s been a constant on the footballing side of things. The Poch event was good and bad. Good cause it got us on an upward trajectory and bad because it delayed the penny dropping for Levy to realize that the club will sink with his constant interference in matters where he should not be involved. If it’s true that managers have wised up to him, then it’s good that top managers reject his advances and hopefully he doesn’t get lucky with another Poch type appointment. I’m not saying that I don’t want the club to do well like it did under Poch, but it’s in the club’s best interest long-term for this to happen.

A big lesson needs to be learnt by Levy.

 

[JJetset]

Nuno surely is on borrowed time and he knows it judging by his interview.

Awful awful selections and tecticsl awareness so far.

Has there been any ITK backing up the pressure on him?

All being kept well in house at the moment. Anything i say now will be stating the bleeding obvious but he's had a shocker with the tactics. No talks of him going though that's just press putting 2 + 2 together coming up with 5 and spreading misinformation. A & C was very correct a few pages ago as he's Fabs man so we have to be careful here.

 

[pablo73]

Classic Levy, cheaping out in the summer resulting in having to spend even more to fix it with no doubt worse results than if he’d stumped up the cash for someone good at the right time.

You buy cheap you buy twice. He still hasn't learned that after all these years.

 

[pablo73]

All being kept well in house at the moment. Anything i say now will be stating the bleeding obvious but he's had a shocker with the tactics. No talks of him going though that's just press putting 2 + 2 together coming up with 5 and spreading misinformation. A & C was very correct a few pages ago as he's Fabs man so we have to be careful here.

Cheers JJ, I think if things don't improve quickly Fabio is going to have to hold his hands up and admit that Nuno just isn't a good fit.

Whether we can get anyone better within the parameters that Levy sets (and who is willing to work under Levy) is another question of course.

 

[Monkey boy]

You buy cheap you buy twice. He still hasn't learned that after all these years.

Apart from in Sissoko, N'Dombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Reguillon and Lo Celso's case.

 

[Albertbarich]

What a depressing state of affairs

I'm fascinated to see the tactics at the weekend.

 

[pablo73]

Apart from in Sissoko, N'Dombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Reguillon and Lo Celso's case.

Yeah there are exceptions of course but even with those N'Dombele was the only one who came in on big money. It's one thing shelling out on transfer fees on what Levy will view primarily as an asset and another thing to pay big wages for more established talent. Some will say we can't afford it but I think I'm right in thinking we have the lowest wages vs turnover ratio in the Premier League.

 

[Dakes]

Apart from in Sissoko, N'Dombele, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Reguillon and Lo Celso's case.

Watch these players shine when they leave to other clubs. There’s something soul destroying happening at Tottenham Hotspur.

 

[ntmac82]

All being kept well in house at the moment. Anything i say now will be stating the bleeding obvious but he's had a shocker with the tactics. No talks of him going though that's just press putting 2 + 2 together coming up with 5 and spreading misinformation. A & C was very correct a few pages ago as he's Fabs man so we have to be careful here.

Thanks for the info JJ. Bit worrying that we seem more bothered about upsetting Fab than getting rid of Nuno because he is the wrong choice. If im reading that last sentence correctly. The club should come first and if the manager is the wrong choice and getting it terribly wrong (and the stats dont lie) then he should be removed from his position and Fab shouldnt have a choice in the next manager if his best guess was Nuno.

 

[jedimonkey]

This has all the hallmarks of a Harry Redknapp Caretaker Manager feel to it. The worst part of it all, id actually be ok with that, thats how far we've fallen that id now happily take a guy who wins more TV Game shows than football matches. FML

I just want to enjoy watching us again

 

[Haddock]

Yes, Levy has to get the next appointment right.

...but that's exactly what we all of said after Mourinho was sacked.

....and when Pochettino was sacked.

We fans can point the finger at Levy. But there's no real accountability for levy. If there were, he would himself would have sacked ages ago.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

What a depressing state of affairs

I'm fascinated to see the tactics at the weekend.

Me too, but at best, any change will be reactionary - not a true reflection of what Nuno wants

Which reflects the total mess we're in