FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[13VanDerBale13]

Feels like we’re wasting another season.

Every season under ENIC is a waste

 

[zepstar]

I think he’s the wrong fit and will be gone before long (as is the Levy way), but I do have to say that right now, he probably feels totally unwanted. By the players and the fans. He knows what his contract is. He’s not stupid and knows he was brought in last-gasp. But, he’s also, in his own way, trying to make it work. I feel my energies are better directed in supporting the manager (and yes, it is dire to watch, and yes we do deserve better) than patiently waiting for him to be sacked.

I place the blame at Levy’s door for this and can only hope him and Paratici have a solution for what’s next, because Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, what a fucking shambles.

 

[ntmac82]

I sincerely think the points you have put across in so many posts touched on just certain contexts but not the bigger picture.

I understand your point on no better options if we sack Nuno now - but is this really a better option of keeping him if we are going to lose more points, because really not many fans out there (perhaps you) optimistically think we are able to win games without dropping a similar amount of points.

Our current table position may not be that bad, but let's not forget we are probably one of the worse in many other areas and stats many had repeatedly posted which Sky Sports love compiling. As the season goes, we will definitely be in a very bad position in the league table if those stats continue. But because we can still only have one shot and possibly win 1-0, your point still stands - is that really a reasonable job though, seriously? We have been, and are now, expected to be facing shots from opponents at an alarming rate without creating chances ourselves. Is that really adequate?

I am very sure not everyone would have taken the current situation at the beginning of the season. If any, Levy with his DNA speech, Nuno with this proud speech, Paratici with his rebuilding acts and speech lifted and gave us hope to have something to believe in and look forward to. That is definitely a lot more and higher in expectation than the current plight we are at which you deemed satisfactory.

Bar the top 3 clubs at the moment, the rest of the teams are collectively inconsistent this season. If that season when we were competing with Leicester for the title was seen as an anomaly because the rest of the clubs suck, can we not kid ourselves that we are 6th at the moment also because of the same reason?

And there really isn't a disproportionate vitriol every time we conceded. The resentment here and everywhere is because of what's missing - we are not creating enough, we are not adapting tactically enough, we are not shooting enough, we are not scoring enough, we are not making changes quick enough and more and more and more and more..... The goals we conceded are the result of these missing elements and it's obvious Nuno had the greatest share of responsibility for these shortcomings. Have you seen we performed worse and more boring than other past managers/coaches? AVB era? Sherwood times? We looked mildly exciting and scored more goals then.

You can applaud Nuno for all the good, in fact I think many fans here have been cutting much slack for Nuno because he is supposedly lovely and likeable. But let's not ignore the greater worse he has implemented and/or not addressed due to his limited capability the fans have been calling him out for, and then disrespectfully branded these calls as poison, knee jerk, short sighted or fantasy football nonsense.

This post cannot be winnered enough. Great post and response to the original poster

 

[Aphex]

Feels like we’re wasting another season.

That is exactly what we are doing, but according to Freeki we should all lap it up and just accept it.

 

[Aphex]

This is literally what we have, and despite the disproportionate vitriol on here every time we let a goal in, he’s doing a reasonable job.

Not a world beating job. Not an incredible job. Not a mind blowingly spectacular job.

But an adequate one, which has put us 6th in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.

Everyone on here would have taken that at the beginning of the season from a manager who is transparently only here for a year.

Every. Single. Person.

You can't be serious? 6th means absolutely fuck all at this stage, we look dire and are more likely going to be bottom half than top half the way things are going. The thing is, it doesn't even need to be the eye test, all underlying statistics point to us being in the bottom half this season. We've been well beaten multiple times already this season, including by Palace ffs. Lost four London derbies, our wins have been by the odd goal in every single game, and three of those were the definition of flukey / scraping it.

How on earth is that a reasonable job?

 

[yido4life]

When I hear the phrase entitled fans I wonder what this phrase actually means. I have payed alot of money supporting spurs for 3 decades and except for an FA cup I can barely remember and 2 Mickey mouse cups we have nothing to show for it and we all get reminded of this on a regular basis! I accept other clubs are richer and will be able to buy better players and trophies but I expect our club win or lose to try to score goals and attack even if we leak a few more goals. I have always been proud of spurs for playing attacking football but I just don't feel anything at the moment and if that makes me entitled well fuck it. We need a dramatic change of leadership from the very top.

thats a great point but we also invest so much emotionally and whilst it doesn’t impact as much as finance, it’s what leads to the fans parting with said finance!
If you go through the forum peoples emotional investment is dwindling and in my opinion that’s a dangerous place for the club to be. Levy’s new target audience of plastic fan might bring in the money when the teams doing well but without emotional investment they’ll all be off to watch the latest success story

 

[rossdapep]

I sincerely think the points you have put across in so many posts touched on just certain contexts but not the bigger picture.

I understand your point on no better options if we sack Nuno now - but is this really a better option of keeping him if we are going to lose more points, because really not many fans out there (perhaps you) optimistically think we are able to win games without dropping a similar amount of points.

Our current table position may not be that bad, but let's not forget we are probably one of the worse in many other areas and stats many had repeatedly posted which Sky Sports love compiling. As the season goes, we will definitely be in a very bad position in the league table if those stats continue. But because we can still only have one shot and possibly win 1-0, your point still stands - is that really a reasonable job though, seriously? We have been, and are now, expected to be facing shots from opponents at an alarming rate without creating chances ourselves. Is that really adequate?

I am very sure not everyone would have taken the current situation at the beginning of the season. If any, Levy with his DNA speech, Nuno with this proud speech, Paratici with his rebuilding acts and speech lifted and gave us hope to have something to believe in and look forward to. That is definitely a lot more and higher in expectation than the current plight we are at which you deemed satisfactory.

Bar the top 3 clubs at the moment, the rest of the teams are collectively inconsistent this season. If that season when we were competing with Leicester for the title was seen as an anomaly because the rest of the clubs suck, can we not kid ourselves that we are 6th at the moment also because of the same reason?

And there really isn't a disproportionate vitriol every time we conceded. The resentment here and everywhere is because of what's missing - we are not creating enough, we are not adapting tactically enough, we are not shooting enough, we are not scoring enough, we are not making changes quick enough and more and more and more and more..... The goals we conceded are the result of these missing elements and it's obvious Nuno had the greatest share of responsibility for these shortcomings. Have you seen we performed worse and more boring than other past managers/coaches? AVB era? Sherwood times? We looked mildly exciting and scored more goals then.

You can applaud Nuno for all the good, in fact I think many fans here have been cutting much slack for Nuno because he is supposedly lovely and likeable. But let's not ignore the greater worse he has implemented and/or not addressed due to his limited capability the fans have been calling him out for, and then disrespectfully branded these calls as poison, knee jerk, short sighted or fantasy football nonsense.

Can't really argue with that to be honest.

Sadly, I don't think this opinion is shared at the top of the club.

Otherwise we would have gone for Conte and told him to make us compete.

The whole Nuno 'proud' thing was definitely done to appease fans and simmer tensions. The club rolled him and FP out to tell us about the vision forward and whilst I think long term Paratici will have those goals, it felt like Nuno had been told he needed to say something along those lines to get fans on side.

 

[n0.1.spurs]

Feels like we’re wasting another season.

Meanwhile we are stuck with Nuno and Conte looks like he may be coming back to the PL, but not to us as one had hoped in the summer. Pray he doesn’t end up at Man U. ETH doing great too. Felt numb in the summer after that catastrophic waste of a time managerial appointment. Biggest anti-climax getting Nuno in. Not even fussed to waste 2 hours watching the football anymore.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

He’s the only appointment Levy’s made at the club that left me genuinely scratching my head at the lack of logic and the sheer lack of ambition. Every other permanent hire made sense on some level. We were clearly aiming for trophies with the (expensive and ambitious) Mourinho hire after the new stadium finally opened. Following it up with this? After seemingly genuine attempts to bring in Conte? I still don’t really understand what happened this summer, or why it happened.

 

[septicsac]

Every day we persist with Nuno is another day wasted, it's fairly obvious at this stage it is not going to work out, never mind represent a return to our DNA.

 

[littlewilly]

The latest “The View from the Lane” podcast is well worth listening to. Don’t think I disagreed with a single word.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Every day we persist with Nuno is another day wasted, it's fairly obvious at this stage it is not going to work out, never mind represent a return to our DNA.

We wasted a season hiring him in the first place. I don’t know what levy was playing at.

 

[Spotter]

You can't be serious? 6th means absolutely fuck all at this stage, we look dire and are more likely going to be bottom half than top half the way things are going. The thing is, it doesn't even need to be the eye test, all underlying statistics point to us being in the bottom half this season. We've been well beaten multiple times already this season, including by Palace ffs. Lost four London derbies, our wins have been by the odd goal in every single game, and three of those were the definition of flukey / scraping it.

How on earth is that a reasonable job?

I agree with the first post. The team has at times looked ok. We need to give him until Xmas to see if he is on the right track or not . The football is no worse than when Mourihno or Mason were in charge . Maybe I’m having a rare optimistic moment but I think things might start to click before Xmas if they don’t then fair enough I’m talking crap

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think he’s the wrong fit and will be gone before long (as is the Levy way), but I do have to say that right now, he probably feels totally unwanted. By the players and the fans. He knows what his contract is. He’s not stupid and knows he was brought in last-gasp. But, he’s also, in his own way, trying to make it work. I feel my energies are better directed in supporting the manager (and yes, it is dire to watch, and yes we do deserve better) than patiently waiting for him to be sacked.

I place the blame at Levy’s door for this and can only hope him and Paratici have a solution for what’s next, because Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, what a fucking shambles.

It’s true and knowing your not wanted is a horrible feeling Bruce had it at Newcastle, it was a thankless task that job, he kept them up twice with a poor squad and got nothing but grief week after week match after match,!8 felt bad for him last week as he looked utterly exhausted, he said it had taken its toll on him and his family BUT Newcastle should never have hired him and Ashley should’ve run thei club better just like we should’ve never hired Nuno and Levy should run the football side of our club better.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Has he ever kicked a ball? I always get the impression from him that his main experience in football is computer games as opposed to physically being involved.

There’s a photo on his Twitter feed with him at a kick about with his “football friends”. He’s wearing an oversized Heath Ledger’s Joker t-shirt and adidas running trainers. So to answer your question... It’s an empathic no.

 

[JCRD]

Apart from Freeki, ive not read a much more unanimous position about a manager than i have re Nuno. That says a lot.

Nuno being appointed is the root cause and the decision makers are the ones to blame. He will definitely have up until the next international break but he really does need to have a good performance against a Manure team that look worse than us although Liverscum are a lot better than Spammers

 

[danielneeds]

I’m actually quite glad that I’m gonna have a busy few months work-wise and can ignore Spurs for a bit. It’s just a waste of time.

 

[rossdapep]

Meanwhile we are stuck with Nuno and Conte looks like he may be coming back to the PL, but not to us as one had hoped in the summer. Pray he doesn’t end up at Man U. ETH doing great too. Felt numb in the summer after that catastrophic waste of a time managerial appointment. Biggest anti-climax getting Nuno in. Not even fussed to waste 2 hours watching the football anymore.

Being linked to Conte in the summer feels like a long time ago now.

I remember we were getting pretty excited in here and we were already imagining what players he may bring.

I still believe Levy and co definitely spoke to him but became put off when he started making demands. His IG post was quote revealing at the time.

 

[YB123]

I think he’s the wrong fit and will be gone before long (as is the Levy way), but I do have to say that right now, he probably feels totally unwanted. By the players and the fans. He knows what his contract is. He’s not stupid and knows he was brought in last-gasp. But, he’s also, in his own way, trying to make it work. I feel my energies are better directed in supporting the manager (and yes, it is dire to watch, and yes we do deserve better) than patiently waiting for him to be sacked.

I place the blame at Levy’s door for this and can only hope him and Paratici have a solution for what’s next, because Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, what a fucking shambles.

You say he is trying to make it work but he isnt being himself. As I said earlier, i'd prefer Nuno to be himself. Play a 3-5-2, be pragmatic. He is trying to be something he is not or happy to be a puppet.

 

[EQP]

I don't think Conte was feasible on the basis of what he would have demanded to mold the team into his own image. Now, the decision not to hire ETH was full on stupidity. Here we have an academy with some really talented players ( Devine, Scarlett, John, White etc ) plus Skipp, Tanganga, Sessegnon e.g and the one manager who could realistically integrate those players, improve them and have us playing attractive football was overlooked for the safe option in Nuno. Still hurts my head when I think about it all.