Gomes one of the top goalkeepers?

[TheBigMatch]

Back in 06-07, Robinson had a shot saving % of circa 62% ranking him 19th, at a time when Spurs had a defense that was 6th in terms of allowing shot on goal.

Here in the middle of 08-09, Robinson has a shot saving % of of circa 61% ranking him 19th with a defense ranked 10th.

Gomes has a shot saving % of 72% ranking him 9th, with the Spurs defense 17th in terms of allowing shots on goal.

This would suggest that while Gomes does make some serious high profile mistakes, much like James (77% and 73%) he is a superior goal keeper to Robinson, and indeed Green (69% and 68%). The real problem may not be Gomes.

These are statistics worked out from the Telegraphs Premier data. Shots on goal assumed to be = goalkeeper saves + goals conceeded. Somewhat flawed of course since some shots are saved by defenders, and indeed the goal posts if we are to be even more accurate and refelect the mayhem of the likes of the Stoke match.

As a confirmation of the validity of these stats, Cech comes out top with 86% & 88%. Nobody comes close to Cech/Cudicini. Interesting to also note the consistancy of goal keepers in terms of save % in different seasons.

Spurs however used to have the 6th best defense (06/07) and now have the 17th (08/09).

Dumping Gomes isn't the solution, the second best goal keeper saves 76% of shots. We should be looking at the midfield and defense for better protection.

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

Listen, you guys keep bringing these stats up and everybody knows it. We all know he is a great shot-stopper.

But he is also making a lot of silly mistakes. That's what we are saying. So he needs to cut them out.

 

[dontcallme]

I agree to a certain extent. Of course the midfield and defence have to protect better especially from set-pieces.

Gomes though needs to take responsibility for the mistakes he has made and himself with the coaching staff need to identify where the problem lies (confidence, poor communication with the defence etc). I find it hard to believe it's simply because he's shit. Buying a new goalkeeper everytime they go through a bad period is not a good solution.

 

[PT]

I hate statisitics because in the wrong hands they can give a false picture. Gomes is directly responsible for a number of goals conceded - which is poor shit.

It's poor shit because of the other goals conceded, someone else will be directly responsible for a mistake leading to the goal and that player gets equal amounts of moans and groans.

 

[nicdic]

But Gomes is getting the blame for goals that aren't solely his fault.

 

[WHITEHART80]

He is trying to hard to impress, he needs to concentrate on what made him one of the best in world before he joined us.

Maybe the pressure of a big money move has had an affect on him.

 

[nicdic]

It's the combination of Gomes and our defence that is the problem. An ever changing back line and a new keeper suffering loss of confidence. Gomes can't win whatever he does on corners, crosses and free kicks. He can't stay on his line because we all know our defenders don't win the headers (Liverpool Cup, Arsenal away), so then he decides to come out because he doesn't trust the defenders, and also can't get to it.

Both the defenders and the keeper just need to concentrate on their own thing. If Gomes thinks he can get the ball, get it. But have faith in the defenders to get it. Defenders just go for the ball, if you get clattered by Gomes you do, but don't worry about that possibly happening.

 

[SpurSince57]

I hate statisitics because in the wrong hands they can give a false picture. Gomes is directly responsible for a number of goals conceded - which is poor shit.

It's poor shit because of the other goals conceded, someone else will be directly responsible for a mistake leading to the goal and that player gets equal amounts of moans and groans.

Four, according to the Super Soaraway—and I very much doubt they have any interest in presenting him in a favourable light. Oddly, they fail to provide a similar list for the other keepers in the EPL, and to note that his record for keeping shots out is bettered by very few.

Was Woodgate roasted for heading the ball in the wrong direction on Saturday? Not that I've noticed. And some on here would have you believe that it really wan't Dawson's job to pick up Hyppia. Funny, that.

 

[PT]

Four, according to the Super Soaraway—and I very much doubt they have any interest in presenting him in a favourable light. Oddly, they fail to provide a similar list for the other keepers in the EPL, and to note that his record for keeping shots out is bettered by very few.

Was Woodgate roasted for heading the ball in the wrong direction on Saturday? Not that I've noticed. And some on here would have you believe that it really wan't Dawson's job to pick up Hyppia. Funny, that.

Which is what I was alluding to. Dawson in his time has had equal dollops of diatribe written about him yet played probably his best game in many against Liverpool. Even King is not indefensible for reasons stated above. But their escape route is that if they make a mistake, it may not be fatal. If the keeper does, inevitably it is.

 

[norflondon]

It's a combination of things with Gomes. He is a great shot-stopper that has made some spectacular finger-tip saves, but has also punched/parried numerous other shots that should have been collected.

Parrying the ball away when it should be caught (on occassion, parrying it back into the box and not even to one side) gives defenders the jitters and that leads to the situation we have where there is no confidence in the goalie.

 

[markie]

Four, according to the Super Soaraway—and I very much doubt they have any interest in presenting him in a favourable light. Oddly, they fail to provide a similar list for the other keepers in the EPL, and to note that his record for keeping shots out is bettered by very few.

Was Woodgate roasted for heading the ball in the wrong direction on Saturday? Not that I've noticed. And some on here would have you believe that it really wan't Dawson's job to pick up Hyppia. Funny, that.

:clap: People cant stop going on about how good he was against Liverpool and Harry went and made him captain.. (Probably just a confidence thing)

You put dawson against a full strength Liverpool squad and he would have been torn to shreds!

 

[SpurSince57]

Which is what I was alluding to. Dawson in his time has had equal dollops of diatribe written about him yet played probably his best game in many against Liverpool. Even King is not indefensible for reasons stated above. But their escape route is that if they make a mistake, it may not be fatal. If the keeper does, inevitably it is.

He most certainly did—but that error cost us a goal. Gomes really should have stayed on his line rather than try to retrieve the situation when it was far too late—but if he had, and Hyppia's header had gone in, where then would the blame lie?

Gomes' blunder on Saturday was a real shocker, but it's remarkable how little criticism Woodgate has come in for. Another keeper—and Gomes 9 times out of 10—would have kept it out and then been perfectly justified in giving Woody an earful. But with another keeper we might easily have lost by three or four.

 

[Coyboy]

Did anyone notice that for the second goal Woodgate cleared the ball right in front of Gomes when it would have been a simple shot to grab? But then so was the first goal- hence the head banging frustration of Gomes and why we go around in circles debating about him.

 

[Stoof]

Frustrating is the key.

It's that we know he's capable of marvellous acts of goalkeeping that makes the pang of annoyance ever greater when he drops a clanger.

Just be good damn you!!!

 

[leetotty]

I have no problem with Gomes punching the ball, in fact generally against Stoke where most teams have struggled to cope (Aluminia) with their aerial assault I thought he did ok.

I think the save from Bullard in the dying moments was probably one of the best long shot saves I have ever seen.

Just need to eradicate the poxy mistakes and we will have a great goalkeeper. Its just a question of whether Gomes has the right character to concentrate on this.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Four, according to the Super Soaraway—and I very much doubt they have any interest in presenting him in a favourable light. Oddly, they fail to provide a similar list for the other keepers in the EPL, and to note that his record for keeping shots out is bettered by very few.

Was Woodgate roasted for heading the ball in the wrong direction on Saturday? Not that I've noticed. And some on here would have you believe that it really wan't Dawson's job to pick up Hyppia. Funny, that.

Four? I'd have put it higher than that unless that's only league.

I'd say.

1 Villa
2 Arse*l
2 Liverpool (nearly three if it wasn't for the crossbar )
1 Fulham
1 Udinese

I'd also say that he may have done better with the one at Citeh but that might be a bit harsh.

Of course it's not all his fault a lot of times the ball shouldn't be getting that close to the goal but when it does he doesn't deal with it the way a top 'keeper should.

I hope he pulls through and proves to us that he is the real deal.

 

[archiewasking]

It's a combination of things with Gomes. He is a great shot-stopper that has made some spectacular finger-tip saves, but has also punched/parried numerous other shots that should have been collected.

Parrying the ball away when it should be caught (on occassion, parrying it back into the box and not even to one side) gives defenders the jitters and that leads to the situation we have where there is no confidence in the goalie.

I watch a lot of junior football (9-15 yrs) and invariably the goalkeepers are being taught to punch or push the ball away, rather than trying to catch it. It seems to be a philosophy which is endemic in the game; if modern thinking among goalkeeping coaches is along those lines at higher levels, then the way Gomes and other defend the goal is understandable.

I agree totally that if the ball is there to be caught, it should be. Big Pat Jennings and all the top keepers of the past subscribed to that view. If it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for Gomes.

 

[dannythomas]

But Gomes is getting the blame for goals that aren't solely his fault.

Sounds familiar ? " But Robbo is getting the blame for goals that aren't solely his fault " Deja vu.
One of the few worthwhile things that Rodney Marsh used to say was " be careful what you wish for "

 

[TheBigMatch]

Crazy mistakes catch everyone eyes and grab the newspaper the headlines, and Gomes is a bit like James when it comes to blunders.

A truly top class goal keeper is worth an extra 16 goal difference per season. £8 million doesn't buy the best it buys a good average top league goalkeeper.

Unfortunately there are very few top class goal keepers around. If a Cech standard goalkeeper can save an extra 16 goals then surely it's worth spending £25 million on one.

In the meantime we should work with Gomes and the defense until a proven better goalkeeper become available. Jumping to another average goal keeper isn't going to solve anything.

 

[SpurSince57]

Four? I'd have put it higher than that unless that's only league.

I'd say.

1 Villa
2 Arse*l
2 Liverpool (nearly three if it wasn't for the crossbar )
1 Fulham
1 Udinese

I'd also say that he may have done better with the one at Citeh but that might be a bit harsh.

Of course it's not all his fault a lot of times the ball shouldn't be getting that close to the goal but when it does he doesn't deal with it the way a top 'keeper should.

I hope he pulls through and proves to us that he is the real deal.

I doubt that any keeper in the league (those that would have got anywhere near it, anyway) could have done much more than parry it away, and unless Newton's Law of Motion was temporarily suspended there was nowhere it was going but straight out. In that situation you just have to hope that one of our players gets to it first. Against Birmingham last season Robbo made a fantastic one-handed stop to keep Zokora's own-goal attempt out and still got slagged off by a couple of numpties because the ball ran to their striker.

I'm assuming four in the league, too. So how does that stack up against the rest of the EPL's keepers? The Sun doesn't tell us—presumably because its object of taking the piss out of Spurs through our keeper would look a little silly were it to reveal that others had made as many.

Why not spotlight Given's rather splendid tree impersonation as Wigan's opener sailed into his net? Or Sorryson's abject performance?