Gradual Improvement & Giving It Time

[Deeyal]

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As you well know and understand Spurs scored more points per game under Tim than any other manager in our history

I do understand, but I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I can only assume this is a wind up and you aren't seriously saying that Tim was better than any other Spurs manager based on a career made up of 28 games.

I think it was Mark Twain who said - Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Although I do think you are taking liberties!

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

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I do understand, but I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I can only assume this is a wind up and you aren't seriously saying that Tim was better than any other Spurs manager based on a career made up of 28 games.

I think it was Mark Twain who said - Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Although I do think you are taking liberties!

Nope, pretty sure that he believes Sherwood to be better than Sir Bill-given this argument and what it is based upon. Plus Bill Nich didn't play Adebayor, must have been useless despite the trophies

 

[prawnsandwich]

I do understand, but I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I can only assume this is a wind up and you aren't seriously saying that Tim was better than any other Spurs manager based on a career made up of 28 games.

I think it was Mark Twain who said - Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Although I do think you are taking liberties!

I knew this was gonna waste my time. My last word on our ex manager who will never be our manager again.

He was sacked for non football reasons. We played great football-I mean proper great exciting out of your seat football in most of the games. LIke AVB before him and MoPo after him he struggled against Liverpool and West Ham and City. But he nearly had the key against Chelsea.
I liked what he said to the press-I liked that he took on Sandro and dumped underperformers.
People here can try to rewrite history-they are doing it in the City posts as well but in the last 4 home games under his charge we won all 4 scoring 14 goals.
And that is that from me about Tim. Oh and I ain't Tim or his mate.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I knew this was gonna waste my time. My last word on our ex manager who will never be our manager again.

He was sacked for non football reasons. We played great football-I mean proper great exciting out of your seat football in most of the games. LIke AVB before him and MoPo after him he struggled against Liverpool and West Ham and City. But he nearly had the key against Chelsea.
I liked what he said to the press-I liked that he took on Sandro and dumped underperformers.
People here can try to rewrite history-they are doing it in the City posts as well but in the last 4 home games under his charge we won all 4 scoring 14 goals.
And that is that from me about Tim. Oh and I ain't Tim or his mate.

Just a difference in footballing opinion and taste in humans then.

I hardly enjoyed any games under Sherwood. HATED on the whole how he dealt with the press. Thought he was hugely immature in approaches on and off the field. Thought he was serving his own personal agenda. And that he got too personally involved with his likes and dislikes of players.


Oh well. Difference of opinion.

Anyway youre right, no more about Sherwood he bores me and angers me in equal measures.

 

[eddiev14]

So you want a complicated answer?
Give the manager time is the simple (in both senses of the word) cry.

I think where we disagree is that you think the system he is using is not working, whereas I think it is showing signs of working and needs time to be trained into the players.

I wouldn't be demanding patience if I couldn't see such great, emerging positives - especially after such a short period at the club. With AVB it was totally different, I lost patience because I saw no progression with the team over 18 months (Bale brilliance excluded).

 

[prawnsandwich]

I think where we disagree is that you think the system he is using is not working, whereas I think it is showing signs of working and needs time to be trained into the players.

I wouldn't be demanding patience if I couldn't see such great, emerging positives - especially after such a short period at the club. With AVB it was totally different, I lost patience because I saw no progression with the team over 18 months (Bale brilliance excluded).

I like the system away from home. I don't like that he can't switch it around a bit or even change it on a match by match basis. It looks like an experiment to me.

 

[Shadydan]

lol at people saying we were attractive under Tim

 

[eddiev14]

I like the system away from home. I don't like that he can't switch it around a bit or even change it on a match by match basis. It looks like an experiment to me.

With the 'plan B' issue I do tend to agree.

I've got a feeling that this is a squad issue and - as others have said - this could change dramatically when he starts shifting deadwood, promoting youth and buying new players (hopefully in January).

However, I believe that we will be able to really hurt teams (home and away) when the players become comfortable with plan A. And I'd expect this to really start happening once we've navigated through the first half of the season.

 

[degoose]

lol at people saying we were attractive under Tim

yeah i wouldn't say attractive. It was more full on attack suicidal football that pulled off at times due to the players. Tactics weren't really involved much.

 

[E17yid]

nah, we suck...

My Cowboys, on the other hand, best team in the NFL. Fuck yeah!

It's such a shame that it's the lamest sport in the world and no one gives a shit in any other country other than Merica

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

There is an awful amount of trollworthy shit being spouted in this thread by one person in particular, and for the first time ever, it's not me.

 

[SteveH]

lol at people saying we were attractive under Tim

Ummm....no, now, ahh well lets see. We did though as I recollect, 'run around a lot' under the tutelage of the aforementioned gentlemen.

Mr Sherwood was thus obviously tutored under the guidance of the mighty doyen of the game Mr H. Redknapp, known to his acolytes as just, Arry!

 

[CheeseGromit]

Attractive football since Harry? We were playing attractive football last season banging in 3 goals a game at the end.
1 goal scored in 3 home games and lack of goalmouth action and no players in the box just like under AVB is not attractive to me.

I will just repeat what THFCSPURS19 has said
Your posts certainly read like you are part of the Prawn sandwich supporters brigade

Praise has to be earned but you can do good things even in defeat. I thought there have been some isolated occassions when our football has looked slick and exciting. i would like to see more of it and am an optimist so things will get better Nothing wrong in supporting that ethos.

 

[CheeseGromit]

We played great football and scored great goals. Don't try to re-write history.

Football was awful under Sherwood
he playd the Watford percentage game nothing mattered unless it was in the opponents goal third The architecture of that football promoted long ball into box. That system gets very quickly worked out by the opposition and would not have sttof the test of a full season

 

[E17yid]

They were times we pressed high up the pitch well under AVB (newcastle at home springs to mind though we lost didn't we. LOL)

I thought we were decent yesterday, yes some stupid errors but I saw enough to keep me relatively optimistc for another week.

The thing that annoys me is that sometimes (like yesterday and Southampton) we press well and otehr times we don't but these things don't happen over night, plus Poch needs time to get in 2 or 3 or his own players rather than getting fobbed off with 3 rd and 4th choices like Fazio/Stambouli. (not a dig at them btw, thought Fazio was ok for a debut against city and really like the look of stambouli)

 

[prawnsandwich]

I will just repeat what THFCSPURS19 has said
Your posts certainly read like you are part of the Prawn sandwich supporters brigade

Praise has to be earned but you can do good things even in defeat. I thought there have been some isolated occassions when our football has looked slick and exciting. i would like to see more of it and am an optimist so things will get better Nothing wrong in supporting that ethos.

I was going to spam that post.
My username is ironic. My posts are the opposite of the couldn't care less what team is playing prawn sandwich brigade.
The last refuge of the scoundrel is patriotism.
If you want to wrap yourself in the flag and say everything is perfect after winning 1 game in our last 6 by all means do so. But try to understand not everybody agrees with you.

 

[CheeseGromit]

I was going to spam that post.
My username is ironic. My posts are the opposite of the couldn't care less what team is playing prawn sandwich brigade.
The last refuge of the scoundrel is patriotism.
If you want to wrap yourself in the flag and say everything is perfect after winning 1 game in our last 6 by all means do so. But try to understand not everybody agrees with you.

well the irony does not play out well

So you dont read posts either
There is no where in any of my posts I have everything is fine.. I have not wrapped myself in every thing is perfect position at all i have certainly debated about many challenges but there is nothing wrong in accepting even in defeat ( and winning for that matter) that praise and criticism can be earned.

if you take an entrenched view and will not see any other point you will carry a label

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I knew this was gonna waste my time. My last word on our ex manager who will never be our manager again.

He was sacked for non football reasons. We played great football-I mean proper great exciting out of your seat football in most of the games. LIke AVB before him and MoPo after him he struggled against Liverpool and West Ham and City. But he nearly had the key against Chelsea.
I liked what he said to the press-I liked that he took on Sandro and dumped underperformers.
People here can try to rewrite history-they are doing it in the City posts as well but in the last 4 home games under his charge we won all 4 scoring 14 goals.
And that is that from me about Tim. Oh and I ain't Tim or his mate.

In your opinion. which you are entitled too, but its not fact.

In my opinion, under Sherwood, I thought we were completely hap hazard, tactically inept and extremely lucky in a lot of games where we got a result. He tried to replicate harry with far inferior players thinking that its just a case of having better players, unfortunately, modern football doesn't work like that.

Also, he went because he shouted his mouth off and didn't know what he was doing. It is no coincidence he keeps passing over jobs with smaller budgets and resources, simply being he will quickly be found out, but i guess at least Les will get a job.

Anyway, back on topic, i havnt really watched any games (bar Besiktas as i was there and we were poo ), so only seeing results really which in the main have not been great but until i see us play for a few games i will reserve judgement.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Football was awful under Sherwood
he playd the Watford percentage game nothing mattered unless it was in the opponents goal third The architecture of that football promoted long ball into box. That system gets very quickly worked out by the opposition and would not have sttof the test of a full season

So you dont like criticism of Sherwood then
I went to eevry home game and some away games and thought the standard of footyball under Sherwood regressed so badly I thought if he stayed I would not renew my ST. Spam under what definition

PS
not winning many arguments either. Who is getting it wrong
Oh no not another SPAM

 

[prawnsandwich]

So you dont like criticism of Sherwood then
I went to eevry home game and some away games and thought the standard of footyball under Sherwood regressed so badly I thought if he stayed I would not renew my ST. Spam under what definition

PS
not winning many arguments either. Who is getting it wrong
Oh no not another SPAM

We did not play long ball. We did not play like Watford. We played better than under AVB.
If you did not like Sherwood by all means say so but don't make up stuff.