Gray and Keys could face 2 years in prison for making a joke about Harry

[Dan Ashcroft]

Done :grin:

:rofl:

 

[markie]

Y PM... Surely you would just be quoting?

 

[Dinghy]

Says everything about West Ham that a few of their posters are defending the Stephen Lawrence murderers :duh:

I think to be fair to them they're not really defending the murderers just stating that the murder wasn't as cut and dried as has been reported.
It's certainly not the first time that I have heard that Stephen Lawrence wasn't a perfect little angel as has been so often reported it's now deemed to be accepted as fact by most.
At the time I knew a lot of people in the area at the time and many, if not all, laughed at the idea that Lawrence was an entirely innocent victim.

 

[JimmyG2]

I think to be fair to them they're not really defending the murderers just stating that the murder wasn't as cut and dried as has been reported.
It's certainly not the first time that I have heard that Stephen Lawrence wasn't a perfect little angel as has been so often reported it's now deemed to be accepted as fact by most.
At the time I knew a lot of people in the area at the time and many, if not all, laughed at the idea that Lawrence was an entirely innocent victim.

Most of whom?
Policemen? Racists? Idiots?

 

[arnoldlayne]

I think to be fair to them they're not really defending the murderers just stating that the murder wasn't as cut and dried as has been reported.
It's certainly not the first time that I have heard that Stephen Lawrence wasn't a perfect little angel as has been so often reported it's now deemed to be accepted as fact by most.
At the time I knew a lot of people in the area at the time and many, if not all, laughed at the idea that Lawrence was an entirely innocent victim.

What do you mean the murder isn't as cut and dried as has been reported?

Are you suggesting that Stephen Lawrence's "not being an angel" justified what happened?

Who on earth did you talk to? Your statements are outrageous - "many, if not all".

I really cannot believe your post which sounds like an apology for racism and murder. A classic technique of smearing the victim.

 

[arnoldlayne]

Most of whom?
Policemen? Racists? Idiots?

Spot on.

 

[arnoldlayne]

Says everything about West Ham that a few of their posters are defending the Stephen Lawrence murderers :duh:

How anybody from Planet Earth can suggest that this was not a racially motivated murder is beyond me - the same people who will equate calling somebody "bignose" or "bigears" with "Coon" or "Paki"

Really Chelsea and West Ham fans are vile scum at times. I remember them as such in the 80's and not a lot has changed it seems

 

[mike_l]

I'm not offering an opinion here on the SL murder, but the last few posts here seem to indicate a rather dopey opinion that if a black man is killed then it MUST be racially motivated.

Why is that?

To me it seems fairly obvious that what Dinghy is saying is that it is more likely SL was murdered as a retort to a misdemeanour of his own rather than his ethnicity. I've no idea whether this is true or not, but at the same time I have no idea whether or not the attack was racially motivated or not.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm not offering an opinion here on the SL murder, but the last few posts here seem to indicate a rather dopey opinion that if a black man is killed then it MUST be racially motivated.

Why is that?

To me it seems fairly obvious that what Dinghy is saying is that it is more likely SL was murdered as a retort to a misdemeanour of his own rather than his ethnicity. I've no idea whether this is true or not, but at the same time I have no idea whether or not the attack was racially motivated or not.

I do not know the facts, but I agree totally that people jumping on the bandwagon that it was racially motivated without knowing the details is just as much ignorance as racism in the first place.
Yes it was a group of white men on 2 blacks. Did they attack them because they were black or for another reason? If it was for another reason then it can't be considered a racist attack.
I think that this has all been clouded by the police (where the reports found inherent racism in the police force) which is dangerous as a jury may not be objective.

Please don't get me wrong it could be a totally racist attack, and even if it wasn't it was murder that should have no place in society and if guilty the men should spend a long time in prison. Whatever Lawrence did or didn't do, he didn't deserve to die.

 

[jimtheyid]

I actually think they are ok on talksport.

 

[jimtheyid]

I do not know the facts, but I agree totally that people jumping on the bandwagon that it was racially motivated without knowing the details is just as much ignorance as racism in the first place.
Yes it was a group of white men on 2 blacks. Did they attack them because they were black or for another reason? If it was for another reason then it can't be considered a racist attack.
I think that this has all been clouded by the police (where the reports found inherent racism in the police force) which is dangerous as a jury may not be objective.

Please don't get me wrong it could be a totally racist attack, and even if it wasn't it was murder that should have no place in society and if guilty the men should spend a long time in prison. Whatever Lawrence did or didn't do, he didn't deserve to die.

Might be because the group of white lads were shouting the N word as they stabbed him to his death.

 

[KentuckyYid]

Might be because the group of white lads were shouting the N word as they stabbed him to his death.

Nicaraguans?

Anyway is that fact? Were there witnesses? I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of the case, just kinda remember it happening. Also if it is fact they were saying that is that how the incident started or was that along with the stabbing heat of the moment stuff?

 

[SlickMongoose]

Nicaraguans?

Anyway is that fact? Were there witnesses? I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of the case, just kinda remember it happening. Also if it is fact they were saying that is that how the incident started or was that along with the stabbing heat of the moment stuff?

Why is it always you?

 

[Lilbaz]

Might be because the group of white lads were shouting the N word as they stabbed him to his death.

As I said I don't know the facts, if that's the case then they are at least racist. Still may not be the sole motivator. But this is a thread about Keys and Gray, anyone heard anything else.

 

[Dinghy]

Most of whom?
Policemen? Racists? Idiots?

I meant the newspapers and consequently public opinion.

What do you mean the murder isn't as cut and dried as has been reported?

Exactly that. It has been reported many times over that this was an unprovoked attack on the perfect young man Stephen Lawrence for no reason other than the fact that he was black and the attackers were white.

Are you suggesting that Stephen Lawrence's "not being an angel" justified what happened?

No but it certainly gives some mitigation (for want of a better word) of the attack. (Not that I am in any way suggesting that there is really any mitigation for any murder)

Who on earth did you talk to? Your statements are outrageous - "many, if not all".

How can my statement be "outrageous"? Do you know who I knew and spoke to that lived on either side of Well Hall Road? That knew both the accused and Stephen Lawrence. No? :roll:

I really cannot believe your post which sounds like an apology for racism and murder. A classic technique of smearing the victim.

I'm certainly not making any apologies for either racism or murder. I just know that there is more to this case than a simple unprovoked racist attack.

Most of whom?
Policemen? Racists? Idiots?

How anybody from Planet Earth can suggest that this was not a racially motivated murder is beyond me

Because some people may know a little more about the facts of the event?

As I said I don't know the facts, if that's the case then they are at least racist. Still may not be the sole motivator. But this is a thread about Keys and Gray, anyone heard anything else.

Apologies for seemingly taking this thread off on a massive tangent.

 

[JimmyG2]

I meant the newspapers and consequently public opinion.Exactly that. It has been reported many times over that this was an unprovoked attack on the perfect young man Stephen Lawrence for no reason other than the fact that he was black and the attackers were white.
No but it certainly gives some mitigation (for want of a better word) of the attack. (Not that I am in any way suggesting that there is really any mitigation for any murder)
How can my statement be "outrageous"? Do you know who I knew and spoke to that lived on either side of Well Hall Road? That knew both the accused and Stephen Lawrence. No? :roll:
I'm certainly not making any apologies for either racism or murder. I just know that there is more to this case than a simple unprovoked racist attack.



Because some people may know a little more about the facts of the event?


Apologies for seemingly taking this thread off on a massive tangent.

If you can direct me to anything other than local gossip which is probably a smear campaign to discredit Stepen Lawrence I would be grateful.

I have not read anything in the media about the knife belonging to
Lawrence, or of him provoking the attack, or of him him being involved
in local crime.
Nothing has emerged on these lines in any of the police investigations,
or in the police reports, as far as I know.

 

[Dinghy]

If you can direct me to anything other than local gossip which is probably a smear campaign to discredit Stepen Lawrence I would be grateful.

I have not read anything in the media about the knife belonging to
Lawrence, or of him provoking the attack, or of him him being involved
in local crime.
Nothing has emerged on these lines in any of the police investigations,
or in the police reports, as far as I know.

Simple answer is that I can't direct you to anything other than hearsay. Nonetheless I can tell you that people I spoke to in the area laughed at the idea that it was simply an unmotivated racial attack. Your choice to believe or not.
To lambast the WHO posters as typical Spammer Scum just because of the posts that were made over there is IMO simply wrong. To suggest that just because someone doesn't believe all that they read in the press about a given situation must mean that they are racist is IMO also wrong.

 

[JimmyG2]

Simple answer is that I can't direct you to anything other than hearsay. Nonetheless I can tell you that people I spoke to in the area laughed at the idea that it was simply an unmotivated racial attack. Your choice to believe or not.
To lambast the WHO posters as typical Spammer Scum just because of the posts that were made over there is IMO simply wrong. To suggest that just because someone doesn't believe all that they read in the press about a given situation must mean that they are racist is IMO also wrong.

Well they would laugh wouldn't they. The very idea, unprovoked racial attac ks, it's never happened. The provocation to some people is that some other people are black.

Stephen Lawrence was not perfect, are you? Am I? Is anybody?
But he would have to be pretty stupid, which I understand he was not, to provoke a confrontation late at night with a gang of youths well known in the area, and in an area known for racism.

I have some personal knowledge of the area, but it is second hand and I'm keeping it to myself. Suffice to say it doesn't support your case.

Anyway thankyou, its 'hearsay' and in the absence of any actual corroberation I choose not to believe it.

It's your passing on of these comments and giving them credence that I object to not because they were on a W. Ham website.
You can read equally disgusting rubbish on some Spurs sites too but I stick to SC. for that very reason.

 

[jimtheyid]

Stephen Lawrence was not a particularly nice chap. However that does not excuse what happened to him.

 

[Dinghy]

Well they would laugh wouldn't they. The very idea, unprovoked racial attac ks, it's never happened. The provocation to some people is that some other people are black.

Stephen Lawrence was not perfect, are you? Am I? Is anybody?
But he would have to be pretty stupid, which I understand he was not, to provoke a confrontation late at night with a gang of youths well known in the area, and in an area known for racism.

I have some personal knowledge of the area, but it is second hand and I'm keeping it to myself. Suffice to say it doesn't support your case.

Anyway thankyou, its 'hearsay' and in the absence of any actual corroberation I choose not to believe it.

It's your passing on of these comments and giving them credence that I object to not because they were on a W. Ham website.
You can read equally disgusting rubbish on some Spurs sites too but I stick to SC. for that very reason.

I'm sorry. I've read that now a couple of times and I'm still not sure what your objection is. The OP suggest that the WHO poster was 'typical WH.' My point being that whether you believe it or not I am not racist in any way shape or form and yet I also subscribe to the belief that Stephen Lawrence's murder was not simply an unprovoked racist attack. The insinuation that anyone who does not believe that to be the case must be racist is IMO abhorrent.