Greatest Boxer Ever?

[riggi]

Erik Morales v Marco Antonio Barrera proves why i love boxing. Simply brilliant.

 

[haxman]

Erik Morales v Marco Antonio Barrera proves why i love boxing. Simply brilliant.

Told ya! :up:

I watched that fight live, charged up with beer, so you can imagine the roaring at the TV! Best fight ever imo, those two are the reason I never rated Hamed.

Barrera schooled Hamed badly in their fight.

 

[riggi]

I was jumping in the air watching it. My dad though it was because of the football :lol:.

 

[haxman]

Other good fights to go with the ones mentioned:

Gatti v Ward Trilogy
Hamed v Kevin Kelley
Holyfield v Bowe 1
Trinidad v Vargas
Benn v McClelland
Castillo v Corrales

For pure boxing skill watch some of Roy Jones Jr's fights, he was a pure animal and p4p the best for years.

 

[riggi]

Its gunna be a loud night :grin:. I just cant help but get on my feet when i watch it, its brilliant :lol:.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Thinking on there was a richness in the 70's and 80's for British boxers - Jim Watt, John Conteh and Alan Minter to name a few - all proper scrapper who took batterings along the way. I saw quite a few fight cards back then in the early 80's - a lot of ABA stuff at the old Wembley Arena. Frank Bruno must have only been 18 or 19 when I first saw him in the flesh - Not actually fighting but happened to be at one Wembley boxing night, he walked past me and "phew" What a presence ! Just an immense physique.

I remember watching all of them win the titles. And that bugger Minter lose his straight away. At least I think it was straight away. Wasn't it Hagler who duffed him up?

McGuigan, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard. Them was the days.

Joe Bugner blew hot and cold and Gerrie Coetzee against Bruno :lol:

 

[hans]

Does anyone think Khan has what it takes?

Little to no chance i would say. I dont think he'll be able to mix it with the other guys at junior/welterweight and to be honest the guy hes fighting on saturday is probably the only guy hes capable of beating at that weight atm.

As far the best boxer of all time goes, its hard to say. As said earlier in the thread, Roy Jones jr was an absolute beast at the end of the 90's/early 00's. He should have stayed at heavyweight for a little while longer and not come back down.
Another hugely under rated boxer during the 90's was good old sweet pea Pernell Whitaker. Floyds defence kinda reminds me of pea, though peas defence was a lot more entertaining than floyds. If only he had a big haymaker in his arsenal he probably would be considered one of the greatest of all time (top 5).


edit - I would say floyd is around about there as one of the greats, certainly out of the bunch we've got now hes the best by a country mile. If he had some wars under his belt it would be easier to say it, maybe if he gave Oscar a rematch straight away. Another against Judah aswell maybe. If Pac agrees to the testing then he would probably be among the greats aswell.

As for fights definately check out Ward-Gatti 1 and 3, technically terrible but brilliant to watch. Real throwback type fights

 

[hans]

Told ya! :up:

I watched that fight live, charged up with beer, so you can imagine the roaring at the TV! Best fight ever imo, those two are the reason I never rated Hamed.

Barrera schooled Hamed badly in their fight.

True but to be fair Barrera never hurt Hamed in the fight and to his credit hamed didnt back off. It was a frustrating fight to watch because Hamed just didnt put his gloves up in defence the whole fight and kept getting caught plum by barrera who done his homework. Hamed just couldnt adjust. Its a shame he lost that fight, he got found out. had he won that, plus a couple more he wouldve been mayweather status - the cash cow.

By the way the Mayweather/Mosley fight had the second largest PPV buyrate for a non heavyweight fight after Dela Hoya/Mayweather. It did 1.4million buys . .Floyd is the man :clap:

 

[haxman]

Forgot to mention Ruelas v Gatti as another good fight, knockdowns all over the place!!

Arturo Gatti R.I.P. He just didn't do bad fights.

 

[Zuben]

Erik Morales v Marco Antonio Barrera proves why i love boxing. Simply brilliant.

I'll have to check it out. Best fight I've seen was Castillo v Corrales - absolute classic.

 

[Zuben]

Oh yeah pound for pound, Roy Jones Junior surely has to rank up there?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Are you going 'on the line'?

 

[Zuben]

Are you going 'on the line'?

:lol:

My 'on the line' is now practically like the law (as you've seen yourelf) so I won't in this case, in order to foster debate :wink:

 

[riggi]

The Mexicans seem to be a scrappy lot.

 

[Caco]

Roberto Duran has to be one of the best of all time. Held the title at almost every weight category. A real life Rocky Balboa.

Manny is the best around at the moment, Cash Money is dodging him and hiding behind drug allegations.

 

[$hoguN]

Hamed? Are you serious? He wasn't in the same league as any of the others. At genuine top world level he got shown up for the sham that he was.

I agree, Hamed was shit, he had one fight against someone good and got a lesson

Pacquiao - if he's drug free, he's a phenomenon. Thats a big if

Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera - if you've never seen their first fight, watch it. The best fight I've ever seen live.

Have you seen Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo, their first fight? I'll agree that Morales v Barrera was amazing but if you haven't seen the fight I just mentioned please do

see above

 

[riggi]

Has anyone been to watch some fights at York Hall? Me and some mates might try and go in the next couple of months.

 

[hans]

Manny is the best around at the moment, Cash Money is dodging him and hiding behind drug allegations.

Its pretty well known in the boxing circles that Pac is dodging Floyd, quite a few fighters have said that its known Pac's team dont want in with Floyd, money would box circles around the fool. Plus some of Roachs fighters in the past have tested positive for drugs (James Toney for example, Roach said he knew he was taking them aswell) so why shouldnt floyd be wary of the chance Pac is taking something. The way things are going now, quite a few bigger fighters are now demanding olympic testing for their fights - Andre Ward and Allan green fight later this year is going to have it. The real question is why is Pac and his team so scared for him to take the test? The guy is a fraud:beer:

 

[$hoguN]

Its pretty well known in the boxing circles that Pac is dodging Floyd, quite a few fighters have said that its known Pac's team dont want in with Floyd, money would box circles around the fool. Plus some of Roachs fighters in the past have tested positive for drugs (James Toney for example, Roach said he knew he was taking them aswell) so why shouldnt floyd be wary of the chance Pac is taking something. The way things are going now, quite a few bigger fighters are now demanding olympic testing for their fights - Andre Ward and Allan green fight later this year is going to have it. The real question is why is Pac and his team so scared for him to take the test? The guy is a fraud:beer:

Pacquiao has gone from fighting at flyweight (112llb limit) to fighting welterweight (147 llb limit) over the years, and stepped directly from fighting at lightweight to fight De la Hoya at welterweight which is a rise of a 12llb weight limit; he did this clearly gaining punch power and without losing speed. That is not something easily done.

Boxing is in desperate need of an olympic style anti-dopping system (due to the money involved not only in the business but in the gambling markets), and the likes of Mayweather, Mosley, etc. are all willing to take the tests in order to show they are clean and improve the sport. Boxing has also taken a bashing after Magarito was recently found weighting his wraps; so its hardly surprising everyone wants to check people are not cheating in a sport where you could easily lose your life in an instant.

Pacquiao excuse not to take the tests is that it will weaken him before the fight, but this doesn't seem like a real excuse for a number of reasons including his opponent also being tested and the period the tests are taken before the fight.

My conclusion is that Pacquiao is dodging Mayweather rather than it being the other way around. You have to say if he won't take the tests there must be a reason.

 

[dontcallme]

Its pretty well known in the boxing circles that Pac is dodging Floyd, quite a few fighters have said that its known Pac's team dont want in with Floyd, money would box circles around the fool. Plus some of Roachs fighters in the past have tested positive for drugs (James Toney for example, Roach said he knew he was taking them aswell) so why shouldnt floyd be wary of the chance Pac is taking something. The way things are going now, quite a few bigger fighters are now demanding olympic testing for their fights - Andre Ward and Allan green fight later this year is going to have it. The real question is why is Pac and his team so scared for him to take the test? The guy is a fraud:beer:

There's two very different stances on the Mayweather/Pacman debacle. We don't have a clue what the reality is, we have to accept our place as outsiders. I've heard many promoters and trainers say the boxing myth that fighters didge each other because their scared is ridiculous bs and I can't for a second believe that anyone would think Pacman is scared of fighting Mayweather.

This is a situation that people should stop sounding so sure about.