Greg Stobart sheds some light on Tottenham’s summer transfer window

[thinktank]

@thinktank Given that Spurs fans on SC come from a wide cross section in terms of social status, experience and relative knowledge, whether season ticket holders, arm chair fans or overseas residents, dont you think that SC ratings and therefore their opinions are a reasonable representation of how the players perform? After all we are the fans!

I trust my eyes.

I have my own opinion/s.

I certainly don't need to go into the SC ratings thread to find out what I think about a player's performance.

And, again, I don't think I'm in the minority with my view on Andros.

He may have had a few games where his one trick worked and his direct style of play caused the oppo some bother, but he soon got found out and I don't think he's got much more than that in him.

It's his mentality/attitude that is at the heart of my gripe with him. He's got the same mentality Defoe has and I don't think that will serve the type of team poch is trying to fashion.

Defoe never learned and neither will Andros imo - because he doesn't want to, he wants to play the way he wants to play and that's that. The way that brought him the nation's attention when he showed-out for England.

That performance has proved to be a black hole for him as he tries to recreate those moments of glory relentlessly, increasingly at the most inappropriate times.

If I'm wrong and he becomes amazing I'll gladly eat shit. Got nothing against any player bringing the magic to our club; just don't think it'll be Andros.

I'd rather we invest time and energy in ceballos, I think he has an all-round better game - and appreciation of the game - and a good idea what poch wants. That's just my hunch. What I'd like to see. Others disagree; fine.

I had a hunch that Paulinho wasn't total dog turd and would be useful at #10 or either side of the three. All I got from the "wide cross section in terms of social status, experience and relative knowledge, whether season ticket holders, arm chair fans or overseas residents" was abuse. So there you go.

I say what I think and stand by it because I have faith in the foundation of my opinions.

If they turn out to be dog turd then fine, and even better if the club benefits from them being wrong.

 

[parklane1]

@thinktank Given that Spurs fans on SC come from a wide cross section in terms of social status, experience and relative knowledge, whether season ticket holders, arm chair fans or overseas residents, dont you think that SC ratings and therefore their opinions are a reasonable representation of how the players perform? After all we are the fans!

Not unless them fans are puter games players, after all they know it all.

 

[Lilywhiteinoz]

I think the transfers in have been ok. Strengthening the defence was a must. I Agree with most pundits that we failed in the strengthening the Striker and/or LW positions.
The other big miss which has not got too much airplay (at least that i have noticed).

We sold Sigg - a proven goal assist / scoring midfielder but did not replace him. So where are the goals going to come from - yes Lamela is expected to contribute, but it now puts the spotlight on Lennon, Ceballos, Mason and a lesser extent on Chadli.

I guess my concern is with the EL games where Gylfi played extensively and contributed valuable goals and assists. Can Ceballos, Mason, Lennon and Chadli do so ?

 

[Bulletspur]

I trust my eyes.

I have my own opinion/s.

I certainly don't need to go into the SC ratings thread to find out what I think about a player's performance.

And, again, I don't think I'm in the minority with my view on Andros.

He may have had a few games where his one trick worked and his direct style of play caused the oppo some bother, but he soon got found out and I don't think he's got much more than that in him.

It's his mentality/attitude that is at the heart of my gripe with him. He's got the same mentality Defoe has and I don't think that will serve the type of team poch is trying to fashion.

Defoe never learned and neither will Andros imo - because he doesn't want to, he wants to play the way he wants to play and that's that. The way that brought him the nation's attention when he showed-out for England.

That performance has proved to be a black hole for him as he tries to recreate those moments of glory relentlessly, increasingly at the most inappropriate times.

If I'm wrong and he becomes amazing I'll gladly eat shit. Got nothing against any player bringing the magic to our club; just don't think it'll be Andros.

I'd rather we invest time and energy in ceballos, I think he has an all-round better game - and appreciation of the game - and a good idea what poch wants. That's just my hunch. What I'd like to see. Others disagree; fine.

I had a hunch that Paulinho wasn't total dog turd and would be useful at #10 or either side of the three. All I got from the "wide cross section in terms of social status, experience and relative knowledge, whether season ticket holders, arm chair fans or overseas residents" was abuse. So there you go.

I say what I think and stand by it because I have faith in the foundation of my opinions.

If they turn out to be dog turd then fine, and even better if the club benefits from them being wrong.

I was not disagreeing with you with regards Townsend, it was not the intent as I don't rate him either, I was just questioning your apparent dismissal of Fans rating on SC.

 

[mill]

Not unless them fans are puter games players, after all they know it all.

obviously not as much as you though

 

[michaelden]

We all know 90% of fans love a show pony. His ratings were high in the beginning based on the belief he could score wonder goals and would replace Bale. His ratings later are more realistic as we know he never will.

Even a donkey will have a good day every once in a while. Andros is just not good or consistent enough

Now you are just talking shit, pathetic tbh because he hasn't been fit this season and has already had one good game in his 3 appearances

Here is the ratings Townsend got last season from SC
Last season, here is the results of the ratings thread:
Vs Dinamo Tbilisi: Townsend voted MOTM with 210 votes. Paulinho 2nd with 11 votes!
Vs Swansea: Townsend 3rd best player(avg rating 7.5). Paulinho 1st!
Vs Arsenal: voted 3rd best player with 4.7% of the votes. Lloris got over 80%
Vs Norwich: avg rating between 6.5-7
Vs Cardiff: avg rating between 6.5-7
Vs Chelsea: avg rating 7 (probably his best game imo)
Vs West Ham: Motm with 78%
Vs Aston Villa: MOTM with 49%
Vs Hull: Motm with 31.7% played with a head injury and
Vs Everton: avg rating 6.5
Vs Newcastle: Avg rating shite(around 5)

So before his wrist injury, he was one of our best players but since then he hasn't had a run of games. However everyone just remembers the stats, but not one of our players had any decent stats under AVB

The only thing with Townsend is, when he is bad, he is really bad

 

[dagraham]

It's his mentality/attitude that is at the heart of my gripe with him. He's got the same mentality Defoe has and I don't think that will serve the type of team poch is trying to fashion.

Defoe never learned and neither will Andros imo - because he doesn't want to, he wants to play the way he wants to play and that's that. The way that brought him the nation's attention when he showed-out for England.

That performance has proved to be a black hole for him as he tries to recreate those moments of glory relentlessly, increasingly at the most inappropriate times.

Nail. On. Head.

 

[parklane1]

obviously not as much as you though

Game player are you?

 

[mill]

Game player are you?

Occasionally, why? Does it make my opinion less valid than yours because you don't?

 

[Kendall]

Bloody Sherwood, recommending Dier and bringing through Bentaleb, what a total shit.

 

[Kendall]

This is the wrong question to ever be asking, particularly when you have a Director of Football set-up. It's wrong to make it into a Poch or Baldini thing. What would have happened is that positions were identified, the coach may have suggested some players, most likely Schneiderlin and Rodriguez, and there would be other players found by the scouts and the DOF that fit the same criteria, and then my guess would be that the coach, DOF, Scout (with maybe some input from the board re: funds) would discuss how to order the options. These players would then be systematically, and perhaps simultaneously pursued such that we fill the right holes. I would be incredibly surprised if any of the players that are bought, for the first team in particular, didn't have Poch's agreement.

It's a false dichotomy.

But people will continue to ask it, because they still think football operates in this old school manner where the manager holds the chequebook as signs players behind the chairman's back (Brian Clough at Derby).

 

[mill]

Bloody Sherwood, recommending Dier and bringing through Bentaleb, what a total shit.

Ramsey recommended him to timbo rather than timbo spotting him. You missed Kane out though, itk suggested levy wanted to bring back berbatov in Jan but timbo favoured using Kane, timbo deserves credit for that

 

[Kendall]

Ramsey recommended him to timbo rather than timbo spotting him. You missed Kane out though, itk suggested levy wanted to bring back berbatov in Jan but timbo favoured using Kane, timbo deserves credit for that

It's actually a shame that Sherwood was given the opportunity to manage us as it made his ego so big that he could never return to a lesser role. I think he has something to give - just not when he has the platform of international tv every week.

 

[mikspurz]

Anyone else got a view on the Baldini story today? I think it's a little out of order that Levy blames someone else for last minute shopping spree fuck ups. It happens if you allow yourself to be put in that position.

 

[parklane1]

Occasionally, why? Does it make my opinion less valid than yours because you don't?

Maybe you are not one, but most game players i have met seem to think that football in the REAL world is as easy as pushing a button in the game world.

 

[Mullers]

This is the wrong question to ever be asking, particularly when you have a Director of Football set-up. It's wrong to make it into a Poch or Baldini thing. What would have happened is that positions were identified, the coach may have suggested some players, most likely Schneiderlin and Rodriguez, and there would be other players found by the scouts and the DOF that fit the same criteria, and then my guess would be that the coach, DOF, Scout (with maybe some input from the board re: funds) would discuss how to order the options. These players would then be systematically, and perhaps simultaneously pursued such that we fill the right holes. I would be incredibly surprised if any of the players that are bought, for the first team in particular, didn't have Poch's agreement.

It's a false dichotomy.

Nothing wrong with the question. Poch most likely wanted Schneiderlin and Rodriguez and it wasn't possible to get them. Just like AVB wanted Moutinho and Willan but got Dembele and Dempsey instead . No doubt that both coaches agreed with the signings but what were their options? Either you can have these players or nothing at all?
So in that instance it's not really surprising the coaches gave their agreement.

 

[Bulletspur]

Nothing wrong with the question. Poch most likely wanted Schneiderlin and Rodriguez and it wasn't possible to get them. Just like AVB wanted Moutinho and Willan but got Dembele and Dempsey instead . No doubt that both coaches agreed with the signings but what were their options? Either you can have these players or nothing at all?
So in that instance it's not really surprising the coaches gave their agreement.

I could be wrong but hadn't Dempsey long gone before we showed any interest in Willan?

 

[Mullers]

I could be wrong but hadn't Dempsey long gone before we showed any interest in Willan?

I'm referring to AVB's first season not his second season.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Anyone else got a view on the Baldini story today? I think it's a little out of order that Levy blames someone else for last minute shopping spree fuck ups. It happens if you allow yourself to be put in that position.

What story?

 

[mill]

What story?

Something about him getting sacked for not signing a striker, it was on the front page of this forum I think