Harry Kane

[Scot-Spur]

I think it was pretty obvious there was never a deadline. Their problem always has been that they dont want to pay what he is worth to us. Just like Man City 2 years ago.

I find it strange most of the media are reporting the rejected bid to be well under the 100 million mark. (Even with addons)

Where as our ITK and P OKeefe are saying the package was worth over that.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

Roll on Sunday!

 

[TheWook]

Where have you seen this? Everything i find says from the start of 24/25 season.

"The expanded format will coming into effect for the 2024/25 season but UEFA has taken steps to advise teams on the new qualification rules in advance. From 2024 onwards each league will be able to send a maximum of five teams to the group stages of the Champions League."

This season is 23/24, they need the extra teams at the end of this season for the 24/25 expansion

 

[robertgoulet]

Rumors that Kane has signed a deal with Skechers to be their first boot wearer.

Honestly, as an NBA fan, that worries me a little. I've seen plenty of players go to the "new" brand in the space and quickly end up ruining their knees and feet.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Unpopular opinion but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think this was a mistake. I'm not sure what it is that we can realistically achieve this season that gets him to commit, not even sure top four (which I don't think we'll get) would do it. As nice as it is to have him for a little longer, in the long-term it'll hurt like hell if he leaves and doesn't go abroad, not sure that trade-off is worth it but we'll see.

This is my thinking - and it really hasn't changed:

1. If Kane will not commit to a new deal - and has told Levy he is leaving next summer - then yes, you must sell. He is worth more to club in guaranteed transfer fees than he is in potential revenue in the future. (This is where I was at the end of last season - convinced he was done with Spurs)

2. But, if Kane is open to a new deal, even if he won't commit right now - then that changes the calculations, and Levy will have to decide how much risk is he willing to take.

3. Right now - all indications are that Kane is simply keeping his options open, and not committing to stay or leave next summer.

4. So, what are the chances Kane would want to stay?


On this, I think there are several factors. First, is Kane enjoying himself at Spurs? I think that has been a key question for the last couple of seasons. Yes, he wants to win, but everyone wants to like where they work. If I had a a guess, I would say at the end of last season, Kane really did not like it here, and was ready to go just about anywhere. The lengthy manager search probably did not help. But, with Ange, you can see the entire squad have a bit more pep in their step. Players are enjoying the football, and also the approach by Ange to treat everyone equally, and like adults. And, you can see that Ange isn't coming here to check off a bucket list item - he expects to win here.

Second - are Spurs going to be competitive? Nobody knows yet. Signs point to a turnaround, but until we start playing real matches, we won't know how this new project will take shape. That will weight heavily on Kane's mind - winning is still his priority, imo. So, there is no reason for him to commit until he sees a bit more on how this is going to play out.

Third - and everyone laughs - but the market for Kane next summer is very unclear. Yes, he could have his pick of clubs - but in reality most clubs don't offer long-term deals to 31-yo players. And, he has to find a club that would be closer to winning, and need a striker, and be willing to pay his wages/sign-on fee. In Europe (i.e. excluding Saudi) it's going to be a smaller market of teams that meet all of those requirements than most expect. And Spurs could very well be his best option considering all of those factors - so that gives Levy hope that even as late as next summer, Kane could sign an extension.

And finally, if he stays and has a big season, and is that much closer to the PL record - that limits the field even more, because he will stay in England - and probably would get Spurs to at least 50-50, if not better.


So - longwinded way of saying, I think Levy is making the right call here - either Bayern step up with a massive bid, or Spurs gamble on being able to convince Kane to stay between now and next summer.

 

[KingNick]

I understand that argument completely but equally we had him last year, he scored 30 goals matching his best ever goal tally for us, and we all hated every single second of it. A team is more than the sum of its parts and while great players play a part in that, the best football I've seen at Tottenham in my lifetime came after Ginola, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Berbatov and others.

Next season will be fun to watch because of Ange and the other great players in the squad and that will be true whether Kane is here or not. Liverpool lost Gerrard and went up several levels because of Klopp, we can do the same if we had the right regime making good decisions (we don't but that's another conversation entirely).

I just can't understand the mentality. Nobody really believes we get better without him surely. I'm sure Richy or others can do a decent job and we would muddle by but we won't be better. Kane does special things that few others can. And as a league challenge is beyond hoping for, we still have more chance of winning a cup with him than without even if we have failed to do it with him for the last ten years.

If we won any cup and got that monkey off our backs then in all honesty, he can play for whoever he wants the year after - although hopefully he wouldn't want to.

 

[GutBucket]

Rumors that Kane has signed a deal with Skechers to be their first boot wearer.

Honestly, as an NBA fan, that worries me a little. I've seen plenty of players go to the "new" brand in the space and quickly end up ruining their knees and feet.

At least it's a real company, not like that Lonzo Ball cheap material stuff.

 

[Trix]

If true... that's brilliant news ... very clever move from Levy and co...

As I said beginning of the window we have been very creative with our negotiation and offers to him. FWIU those offers have both been on the table for quite a while. Saying that it doesn't mean we haven't tweaked them somewhat.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Rumors that Kane has signed a deal with Skechers to be their first boot wearer.

Honestly, as an NBA fan, that worries me a little. I've seen plenty of players go to the "new" brand in the space and quickly end up ruining their knees and feet.

NBA courts are notoriously harder than football pitches.

I don't think we are looking at Zion shoe blowout situation...

 

[Dave1882]

As I said beginning of the window we have been very creative with our negotiation and offers to him. FWIU those offers have both been on the table for quite a while. Saying that it doesn't mean we haven't tweaked them somewhat.

All you can eat bratwurst, silly can can song when you score, we won’t mention the war etc etc

 

[Andertons_Right_Boot]

Rumors that Kane has signed a deal with Skechers to be their first boot wearer.

Honestly, as an NBA fan, that worries me a little. I've seen plenty of players go to the "new" brand in the space and quickly end up ruining their knees and feet.

I don't think it'll be too much of an issue given the grass is 'soft'

 

[RuskyM]

Genuinely surprised we rejected it, but happily so.

 

[Johnny J]

Rumors that Kane has signed a deal with Skechers to be their first boot wearer.

Honestly, as an NBA fan, that worries me a little. I've seen plenty of players go to the "new" brand in the space and quickly end up ruining their knees and feet.

What about their shins?

I'm equally dubious.

 

[felmani26]

As I said beginning of the window we have been very creative with our negotiation and offers to him. FWIU those offers have both been on the table for quite a while. Saying that it doesn't mean we haven't tweaked them somewhat.

As much as it was a friendly, the way against Shakhtar Kane played further up and his increasing admiration for Ange (and his system) may have given much more cause for consideration of these offers and a renewed optimism over life at Tottenham for 23/24.

Really could have been perfect timing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[smallsnc]

I find it strange most of the media are reporting the rejected bid to be well under the 100 million mark. (Even with addons)

Where as our ITK and P OKeefe are saying the package was worth over that.

From what I have read, it was 100 million Euros and Levy is talking pounds.

 

[BathYid]

With respect, the idea that our decision on whether to keep a player should be based on having to play him twice a year in future is utterly bonkers

It's not about playing him twice a year. It's about having him in a team that you are competing against week in week out for the next 4 or 5 years. And the potential of him being at a local rival.

That pain is removed with him being in Germany.

 

[Darth Vega]

This is my thinking - and it really hasn't changed:

1. If Kane will not commit to a new deal - and has told Levy he is leaving next summer - then yes, you must sell. He is worth more to club in guaranteed transfer fees than he is in potential revenue in the future. (This is where I was at the end of last season - convinced he was done with Spurs)

2. But, if Kane is open to a new deal, even if he won't commit right now - then that changes the calculations, and Levy will have to decide how much risk is he willing to take.

3. Right now - all indications are that Kane is simply keeping his options open, and not committing to stay or leave next summer.

4. So, what are the chances Kane would want to stay?


On this, I think there are several factors. First, is Kane enjoying himself at Spurs? I think that has been a key question for the last couple of seasons. Yes, he wants to win, but everyone wants to like where they work. If I had a a guess, I would say at the end of last season, Kane really did not like it here, and was ready to go just about anywhere. The lengthy manager search probably did not help. But, with Ange, you can see the entire squad have a bit more pep in their step. Players are enjoying the football, and also the approach by Ange to treat everyone equally, and like adults. And, you can see that Ange isn't coming here to check off a bucket list item - he expects to win here.

Second - are Spurs going to be competitive? Nobody knows yet. Signs point to a turnaround, but until we start playing real matches, we won't know how this new project will take shape. That will weight heavily on Kane's mind - winning is still his priority, imo. So, there is no reason for him to commit until he sees a bit more on how this is going to play out.

Third - and everyone laughs - but the market for Kane next summer is very unclear. Yes, he could have his pick of clubs - but in reality most clubs don't offer long-term deals to 31-yo players. And, he has to find a club that would be closer to winning, and need a striker, and be willing to pay his wages/sign-on fee. In Europe (i.e. excluding Saudi) it's going to be a smaller market of teams that meet all of those requirements than most expect. And Spurs could very well be his best option considering all of those factors - so that gives Levy hope that even as late as next summer, Kane could sign an extension.

And finally, if he stays and has a big season, and is that much closer to the PL record - that limits the field even more, because he will stay in England - and probably would get Spurs to at least 50-50, if not better.


So - longwinded way of saying, I think Levy is making the right call here - either Bayern step up with a massive bid, or Spurs gamble on being able to convince Kane to stay between now and next summer.

I see where you're coming from but from my point of view I don't think this club will ever take the next step with Levy in charge. You could put Guardiola in the dugout or bring back Bill Nicholson from the dead and the result would still be the same. With that in mind I can't see us doing what we need to do to keep him.

On the market, I think when you're that good and on a free then you'll find a home. Lewandowski made the move to Barca just shy of his 34th birthday. Every club on the planet will be scratching their heads to see if they can find a way to fit Kane in if he's coming on a free - you don't turn down the greatest player in the world in what is the most important position on the pitch just because you have someone there already.

I hope I'm horribly wrong and in 12 months from now everyone can quote my post and laugh at me but I'm worried we're just kicking the can down the road and the sad we're not feeling now will still be there waiting for us except even worse.

 

[Baleismygod]

NBA courts are notoriously harder than football pitches.

 

[Trix]

As much as it was a friendly, the way against Shakhtar Kane played further up and his increasing admiration for Ange (and his system) may have given much more cause for consideration of these offers and a renewed optimism over life at Tottenham for 23/24.

Really could have been perfect timing in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe, it's certainly a possibility. If we have decided to rebuff all offers I'd be amazed if it wasn't tied into Levy's "weekend break" to Miami though.

 

[Gb160]

We get some relatively positive news re the Kane situation, so SC is now worried his feet will fall off.