Harry post match interview

[SpurSince57]

The fact remains that the Spammers have taken just eight points from their last six games, the same as us, and, give them their due, they've always aspired to play entertaining football.

Last night's game was a pretty dire affair, and, quite frankly, if it hadn't been Spurs I'd have found something more entertaining to do. But the bottom line is that we won, and three points from a scrappy, messy game is a whole lot better than none. It's all very well people banging on about Spurs 'traditions' and quoting Bill and Danny, but let me tell you there were more than a few games in the 60s where we had to get down and dirty (very dirty at times) to grind out a result. Just watch the DVD of the '61 Cup Final. We all know the way we would like to see Spurs play, but sometimes it simply isn't possible.

As for Harry's post-match pronouncements, yes, they can be cringe-making, but are they any more embarrassing than the stuff Wenger's forever coming out with? Or Benitez' increasingly loopy departures from reality? How stupid are Mourinho's recent mind games going to sound if Inter lose to United? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm finding Ramos' spoutings from Spain pretty irritating. Football managers tend to talk self-justifying crap.

And the notion of yet another managerial change is just plain ridiculous.

 

[DC_Boy]

But what exactly did I do wrong. I didn't moan and groan about resting key members of the squad in an attempt to focus on the league, on the contrary and I'm as happy as Larry that we won last night.

I fail to see how stating that we could have beaten a good Shaktar team had we attacked them "in the tottenham way" instead of sitting back was wrong.

What was the difference between the first half last night and the second half last night? The first was pretty much in line with the shaktar game, the second we imposed ourselves more and attacked better as a team.

Well done Harry, I'm happy we won last night. With a bit more gumtion, and without needing to have changed the team to the one you played last Thursday, we could have won then too.

Hi Matty - I'm not saying you did anything wrong I know you started that thread - but that doesn't mean I or Harry (indirectly) was having a go at you - I'm sure your post was entirely honourable

everyone knows or should know what they've posted on here about Harry's UEFA selection

it's up for each to judge whether they were correct or not

it's also up to people to judge whether they've crossed the line in having a go at Harry

it's best not to be nasty I find - to be nasty and wrong really leaves you wide open

some people don't care of course - fair enough

 

[RussellYid]

And the notion of yet another managerial change is just plain ridiculous.

Surely no one genuinely thinks we should get rid of Harry and bring in someone else?

 

[MattyP]

Hi Matty - I'm not saying you did anything wrong I know you started that thread - but that doesn't mean I or Harry (indirectly) was having a go at you - I'm sure your post was entirely honourable

everyone knows or should know what they've posted on here about Harry's UEFA selection

it's up for each to judge whether they were correct or not

it's also up to people to judge whether they've crossed the line in having a go at Harry

it's best not to be nasty I find - to be nasty and wrong really leaves you wide open

some people don't care of course - fair enough

No worries DC - I haven't had much chance to respond to all responses to my original post following Thursday's game so thought I'd try to cover all bases in this thread :grin:

My conscience is pretty clear when it comes to criticism of Harry. Safe to say I'm not his biggest fan, have never professed to be though, but hope and pray he does something to convince me he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

All our managers have people pro them or anti them, as does Levy, and some of the criticism and some of the praise are as blinkered as each other.

 

[SpurSince57]

One would hope not, but some of the posts in this and other threads suggest otherwise.

 

[sloth]

Losing against Hull wouldn't have made Harry's critics (like me) right, just as winning doesn't make us wrong. There's far too much willingness to use immediate events as a barometer of long term arguments.

My job involves assigning value to odds and placing bets accordingly. We've just gone on a losing run the last five weeks and ended up about £20,000 down. Does this mean we should change the method we use to rate teams? It might, but the data set is far too small to draw any firm conclusions. In the slightly longer term we've been pulling about £70,000 a month since August, does this mean we've cracked it? Perhaps but the data-set is still far too small. So it makes me cringe when I hear people quoting 2 points in eight games as of any statistical significance, or worse claiming this result or that result proves a pre-held belief. Harry will succeed or he won't but now's not the time to judge, in the mean-time all opinions, provided they're well argued, should be considered equal and not, as has happened in this thread, attempted to be shut down.

On the subject of Harry's public utterances I couldn't agree more with Bill's points. I am embarrassed sometimes to have him as a manager when he complains about fixture build-up and talks of competitions being a hinderance. That's what success is Harry, and it's demonstrative of how unsuccessful your career has been thus far that should complain and play the tactics you have! My opinion is that Harry has an eye for a good player and that's it! His good is out-weighed by the bad and I'm pretty gutted he's our manager.

 

[Coyboy]

We played well against Stoke and the Scum. Bolton I'd have to disagree, but the point I'm making is that with the team we've got and the time Harry's had I'd of expected us to put in a few more than 2 good performances.
I will always support the team, and if that includes 'Arry, then so be it. I suppose a win is a win.

Well we did enough to get a point at least at the Reebok. And I am not saying those were the only games in which we played well but they were the last four league games where we have showed we can get out of this mess. Anyone who thinks currently that Rednapp should have somehow already got us up the league as if the other nineteen teams would all be there for the taking is being woefully and perhaps intentionally unrealistic.

If you look over the course of Rednapp's very short reign our performances have wavered considerably. We were excellent against West Ham and awful against Wigan. We were unlucky against Newcastle and downright flucky as fuck against Liverpool. But under Ramos this season we were consistently dire. I know which I prefer.

People need a reality check. Rednapp was hired to get us out of the relegation zone and progress in the cups. Unless people are so unrealistic they think we should have beaten United, you cannot argue that he has done that to date. Where we go from here we will see but I don't think any of the last two managers got such unnecessarry criticism and in some cases abuse than Harry Rednapp. I have never understood why so many people feel so strongly against him, and didn't realise they did until he took over.

 

[PT]

On the subject of Harry's public utterances I couldn't agree more with Bill's points. I am embarrassed sometimes to have him as a manager when he complains about fixture build-up and talks of competitions being a hinderance. That's what success is Harry, and it's demonstrative of how unsuccessful your career has been thus far that should complain and play the tactics you have! My opinion is that Harry has an eye for a good player and that's it! His good is out-weighed by the bad and I'm pretty gutted he's our manager.

I'm not.

He is what we need right now, this season, in the position we were left in by the previous incumbent.

As for his media nous, I have to disagree as well with both you and Bill. Redknapp plays the press and tv media like a well honed fiddle. He knows the message he wants to put out and say it likes it is, partly to ensure Mr Levy is kept informed of our status outside closed four walled meetings and mainly because our fans are so brilliant at assuming everything and knowing nothing!

As for his fixture hang-up, I'm of a mind that what is really frustrating Redknapp is the situation where he has to change key players in his line-up from game to game because of ineligibility, suspension and long term injuries. For example the Hull City league game, the UEFA Cup match and the League Cup Final has required Redknapp to draw his team from different pools of players on each occasion. How frustrating is that?

Redknapp knows that a modern successful team will play twice a week - it's a given. We are still in Europe and we are in a Cup Final. But the three fronts we fight on in require full use of our first team squad and our youth team squad, being as it is that some members of our first team squad were not even registered to play at the beginning of the season.

I've said on many occasions that we will see what Harry can do next season when he has had a chance to balance up the squad and offload some players who clearly aren't up to anything other than pretty flicks and fancy footwork.


Edit - shit that reads ike a DC Boy post - sorry - even down to the "edit"

 

[DC_Boy]

No worries DC - I haven't had much chance to respond to all responses to my original post following Thursday's game so thought I'd try to cover all bases in this thread :grin:

My conscience is pretty clear when it comes to criticism of Harry. Safe to say I'm not his biggest fan, have never professed to be though, but hope and pray he does something to convince me he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

All our managers have people pro them or anti them, as does Levy, and some of the criticism and some of the praise are as blinkered as each other.

MP

of course people are entitled to criticise Harry - or anyone else

I'm not one of HR's biggest fans - but some of the criticism has been OTT

for me (not for everyone of course) if Harry keeps us up he's done a good job - if we win a trophy on top he's done a tremendous terrific fantastic job

if he takes us down he's failed, and i'll be lining up at the coconut shy with the rest of you - and it'll be a long line

so far 1.44 ppg is plenty good enough

 

[DC_Boy]

'Edit - shit that reads ike a DC Boy post - sorry - even down to the "edit"'

tsk tsk PT - I'm not sure what you mean by this - just cos you know I can't put you on ignore

I wonder what my posts seem like to others - I'll study your one for further info

 

[klinsmann66]

I am a getting really sick of fans moaning about HR, it's boring. We, yes we won tonight
and deserved to win it. I think a lot of fans don't get HR and when he say's things like " i told the translator to tell him to f...king run about a bit" fans actually think he is a bit basic. HR knows more about players and football than everyone on this site.

So he should!!

He has played, coached and achieved more than anybody on this forum......( I truly hope that no Premierership/ winninng managers are posting here incognito!!) :shrug:

 

[steveitr]

On the subject of Harry's public utterances I couldn't agree more with Bill's points. I am embarrassed sometimes to have him as a manager when he complains about fixture build-up and talks of competitions being a hinderance. That's what success is Harry, and it's demonstrative of how unsuccessful your career has been thus far that should complain and play the tactics you have! My opinion is that Harry has an eye for a good player and that's it! His good is out-weighed by the bad and I'm pretty gutted he's our manager.

Hang on a second, im pretty sure fergie moans about there fixture pile up and isnt he the most succesful manager in the premiership right now!?

Sick of idiots waffling on slating redknapp, go support someone else if he bothers you that much, F**kin pricks

 

[Coyboy]

Is there ever going to be a manager who echoes your exact wishes and thoughts?

 

[Coyboy]

Edit - shit that reads ike a DC Boy post - sorry - even down to the "edit"

Not really, it was well written, not repetitive or conceited and didn't state the obvious. And I didn't se 'JJ' mentioned anywhere.

 

[sloth]

I'm not.

He is what we need right now, this season, in the position we were left in by the previous incumbent.

As for his media nous, I have to disagree as well with both you and Bill. Redknapp plays the press and tv media like a well honed fiddle. He knows the message he wants to put out and say it likes it is, partly to ensure Mr Levy is kept informed of our status outside closed four walled meetings and mainly because our fans are so brilliant at assuming everything and knowing nothing!

As for his fixture hang-up, I'm of a mind that what is really frustrating Redknapp is the situation where he has to change key players in his line-up from game to game because of ineligibility, suspension and long term injuries. For example the Hull City league game, the UEFA Cup match and the League Cup Final has required Redknapp to draw his team from different pools of players on each occasion. How frustrating is that?

Redknapp knows that a modern successful team will play twice a week - it's a given. We are still in Europe and we are in a Cup Final. But the three fronts we fight on in require full use of our first team squad and our youth team squad, being as it is that some members of our first team squad were not even registered to play at the beginning of the season.

I've said on many occasions that we will see what Harry can do next season when he has had a chance to balance up the squad and offload some players who clearly aren't up to anything other than pretty flicks and fancy footwork.


Edit - shit that reads ike a DC Boy post - sorry - even down to the "edit"

Not sure you can hone a fiddle PT, you'd just end up with a pointy stick.

On the issue of the media though, Harry does play them, but to who's benefit is the point I and I think Bill is making? In my opinion it is to his own and it's only incidental if it is to the club's advantage too.

 

[sloth]

Hang on a second, im pretty sure fergie moans about there fixture pile up and isnt he the most succesful manager in the premiership right now!?

But Fergie then goes out and tries to win the match. As others have said it wasn't so much the squad rotation (even though it was excessive imo) as the paucity of ambition shown and when that's matched with Redknapp's claims that he'd rather be out of the UEFA cup it pisses me off. Besides which why not go down in a blaze of glory in that case? Go and try to pose some questions not just the negative bollox he served us with.

 

[DC_Boy]

I've no problems with people who think HR got the PR wrong re both the uefa and fa cup selections - it's a very valid point

but a lot were clearly berating him for his selection v SD - fair enough but HR rightly fought back on that one

 

[robofan]

well i have spent 10mins reading through this thread, a what a load of drivel some spout, how can you be filled with so much bile and revulsion ? how can you allow yourselves to fill your heads with such utter crap
harry haters v harry lovers fair enough but then back to martin jol returning, i will know we dodge that bullet as long as i have got a hole in my arse, and for your sense posts bomber :razz:, i offer up said hole in good faith.

oh well each to their own i suppose, but thats why HR gets a few million to do what he does instead of lining up once a fortnight to dot on.

I love harry :razz:

* slopes off to read the new and updated, whats levy done for us, lets blame levy, get levy out thread, just to see if its the same old shit coming out of the same old arses :grin:*

 

[Bill_Oddie]

* slopes off to read the new and updated, whats levy done for us, lets blame levy, get levy out thread, just to see if its the same old shit coming out of the same old arses :grin:*

I do hope Mr Levy doesn't hear you talking about our manager like that. :wink:

 

[robofan]

I do hope Mr Levy doesn't hear you talking about our manager like that. :wink:

:rofl: why have we not got a smilie that blows kisses - in its abscence :shake: