Harry Redknapp gone

[AllSeeingEye]

bye Harry cheers for making 2nd best to Arsenal's nearly men. One fucking win at Villa and you couldn't even manage that. C***. Straw just broke. Cheers Levy for waving the smelling salts in front of me, Harry had us in a stupor the last four months.

 

[TOPHOTSPUR]

lets get BMJ back and he can bring Dembele with him.

 

[AngerManagement]

Jesus, some people on here are so ignorant.

Do people seriously not realise what an excellent job Moyes has and is doing at Everton? Not shrewd? Are you for fucking real? He spends absolutely nothing, because he's given absolutely nothing. Everton have been skint for years, yet they are always, always pushing on. He has a great eye for a player even though he can't pay big money and offer big wages, he builds teams with great team spirit and he gets players busting their bollocks for him. Look at Pienaar for fuck sake. He had to sell him for what? £2m? And look at how good he was when he went back there. That's how skint they are.

Look at when they do spend a bit of money. Jelavic was arguably buy of the season and he didn't cost the Earth. Just a calculated, measured signing. Got it bang on, again.

No money to spend and has to sell key players all the time just to keep going, but he's not just keeping them up, they're getting European football every year, are so hard to beat always and even finished above Liverpool who blew how much?

Not a good manager. Fucking hell, some people say some really stupid shit sometimes.

I agree Moyes has done a great job with Everton, but was it better than the job Harry has done with us?

Does a move for Moyes replacing Redknapp represent a definitive step up in managerial class? I think at best it seems like a sideways step and with the potential disruption it could cause to our development I think it would be one hell of a risk.

As for signing Jelavic, well I dunno how actively involved he is in the scouting and signing of players at Everton but would you use the fact that Newcastle signed Cisse, Krul, Ba, Ben Arfa, Caybaye and Tiote and justification to suggest we appoint Pardew as Harry's replacement?

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

No way will we go for Capello, or at least I seriously hope not. He's ancient, can't speak English after years in the national job, and his football is so dire that Madrid sacked him immediately after winning the league!

I'm a massive Rodgers fan boy, but realistically Moyes is probably the best bet. I actually think if we keep our good attacking players we will still play some decent football. Moyes will demand workrate from the attacking players but he's hardly going to have us lumping it up to a target man all day.

As for Harry, I was on the fence. We've had a great few years and in many ways he's surpassed all expectations, but he has dug himself into a hole and I don't blame the board for wanting rid, especially if this super agent stuff is true. Thanks for that taste of the CL 'Arry, you could've been a true legend if you'd really wanted it.

 

[AngerManagement]

No way will we go for Capello, or at least I seriously hope not. He's ancient, can't speak English after years in the national job, and his football is so dire that Madrid sacked him immediately after winning the league!

I'm a massive Rodgers fan boy, but realistically Moyes is probably the best bet. I actually think if we keep our good attacking players we will still play some decent football. Moyes will demand workrate from the attacking players but he's hardly going to have us lumping it up to a target man all day.

As for Harry, I was on the fence. We've had a great few years and in many ways he's surpassed all expectations, but he has dug himself into a hole and I don't blame the board for wanting rid, especially if this super agent stuff is true. Thanks for that taste of the CL 'Arry, you could've been a true legend if you'd really wanted it.

That statement seems to suggest you'd like us to make Rodgers our manager, seeing as he's just gone to Liverpool that's not an option at all

 

[sloth]

I think it's going to be Capello.

He's available, there's no compensation to pay, he wants to work in England, and his track record is second to none. I know he didn't set the world alight with England, however for me, there's a massive difference between being a club coach and a national manager.

At this time of uncertainty, and with a dearth of young, exciting alternatives, then I think Levy will look to give a two year contract to someone the players will have to respect. On the other side of the coin he'll have the scepticism of the press and fans to live down, who tend to look in a very narrow way at a person's qualities. But where he was weak with England I can see him being strong with a club.

Make no mistake though, it's not going to be easy,and this could easily go wrong, there's going to be huge expectation/demand for success, and little tolerance of mere adequacy. If we finish outside the top four there will be a massive section who will blame it on this decision, and even if we do well, there will be little credit. For me however, it's less about next year, but where we are in two or three years. Once Harry didn't get the England job the best scenario would have given him another year to show what he was made of, but as many have said, he kind of sacked himself with his recent comments, once he rules that option out it was always going to be the best of a bad job.

All of that said, if we get Moyes it won't be the end of the world, and for me is more positive than giving Harry a three year contract.

Last thing, I'm not Harry's biggest fan, but he deserves big respect for what he's done for us as a club.

 

[Davo99]

Who ever said he wasn't good? Every manager in the prem is good, or they wouldn't be there. And like I said, I like Moyes a lot for his personality and attitude and I think a lot of people feel that way, but nobody ever said he wasn't a good manager.

Eh? Are you being serious? Loads of people had dismissed Moyes as not good enough, which quite frankly is just plain stupid.

You gave a good indication as to how much you know when you said he doesn't make enough moves for players and isn't shrewd enough. I immediately figured you know not of what you speak.

Then there was the fella who said 'Moyes and his no spending mid table bollocks', which again is just plain ignorant. To criticise a manager for that is ridiculous.

And that's just page 6 of this thread. I've seen so much ignorant crap about how Moyes is not a top manager, which is so far from the truth it's unreal, but some people are just too dim to see the wood through the trees.

 

[Donki]

Mark my words this will set us back, we are going to have a very fucking long summer of complete discontent with our players. Some people on here are going to get a very fucking abrupt wake up call come September, it's a sad day if this is true.

We need to move so fast if Harry has gone, get Moyes appointed, I've layed my cards on the table.

 

[AngerManagement]

Mark my words this will set us back, we are going to have a very fucking long summer of complete discontent with our players. Some people on here are going to get a very fucking abrupt wake up call come September, it's a sad day if this is true.

I agree, I think its going to disrupt the harmony of our squad.

I think it may change our transfer targets and we may have to start a new with negotiations for players the new manager wants

I think the media and fan back lash could be massive, if the new man doesn't get off to a flyer pressure will mount. I fully expect us to have a transitional season next year as a result of this decision.

I really hope Levy backs the new man and he starts with a squad capable of winning the race for fourth

 

[Davo99]

I agree Moyes has done a great job with Everton, but was it better than the job Harry has done with us?

Does a move for Moyes replacing Redknapp represent a definitive step up in managerial class? I think at best it seems like a sideways step and with the potential disruption it could cause to our development I think it would be one hell of a risk.

As for signing Jelavic, well I dunno how actively involved he is in the scouting and signing of players at Everton but would you use the fact that Newcastle signed Cisse, Krul, Ba, Ben Arfa, Caybaye and Tiote and justification to suggest we appoint Pardew as Harry's replacement?

To answer the first question I'd undoubtedly say yes, definitely.

To answer the second question, again, I'd say yes definitely. Like you wouldn't believe, in fact.

And to be honest I think the last point is not thought through very well at all. Firstly, how much did that lot all cost and how much do they all earn? I was disagreeing with those who were calling Moyes not very shrewd and was coming up with some examples. I don't see what that's remotely got to do with Pardew, someone who wasn't even being discussed. Are you suggesting Jelavic was a one off as well? Are you forgetting players like Howard, Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Baines, even Distin etc. and that's just in the last few years off the top of my head. And how much did that lot all cost. Fuck all. Jelavic was definitely not a one-off whatsoever. Moyes has also been doing it for years and years at the same Club, the whole time Pardew was going from Club to Club getting sacked from the likes of West Ham, Charlton, Southampton etc. He's hardly had the same level of sustained success as Moyes has. It's a terrible comparison. That's not to say the team currently at Newcastle haven't done a great job the last year or two because they quite clearly have, but the situation at Newcastle and the situatiin at Everton could hardly be anymore different, which is why I think your last question has so little point.

 

[Chapel Hill Hotspur]

bye Harry cheers for making 2nd best to Arsenal's nearly men. One fucking win at Villa and you couldn't even manage that. C***. Straw just broke. Cheers Levy for waving the smelling salts in front of me, Harry had us in a stupor the last four months.

And we were so far ahead of them for so many years!

Damn you, Harry!

 

[Ziege]

Eh? Are you being serious? Loads of people had dismissed Moyes as not good enough, which quite frankly is just plain stupid

Not 'good enough' does not equal "not a good manager".

Two entirely different things.

You gave a good indication as to how much you know when you said he doesn't make enough moves for players and isn't shrewd enough. I immediately figured you know not of what you speak.

Oh, so because my personal, subjective opinion differs from yours I don't know what I'm talking about. Gotchya. And my post was stupid for 'personally' not seeing enough shrewdness (at least not to Harry's level IMO) in Moyes, I am then apparently ignorant.

Ok.

Then there was the fella who said 'Moyes and his no spending mid table bollocks', which again is just plain ignorant. To criticise a manager for that is ridiculous.

So to criticize a manager for the results of his team is ridiculous? Really? I think that happens every day and not just in football. If you are the boss and your 'team' doesn't do well enough in the eyes of others (even if their standards are not realistic) then you will be criticized for it, that is just reality.

And that's just page 6 of this thread. I've seen so much ignorant crap about how Moyes is not a top manager, which is so far from the truth it's unreal, but some people are just too dim to see the wood through the trees.

Again, that is your opinion. Many people would also say that just because he puts Everton in the top 10 that doesn't mean he is the perfect manager for Spurs, or even the first choice.

I won't bother giving you a 'disagree' because I don't like your opinion, I don't care to bother since everyone has one. I will reiterate that 'not a good manager' and 'not good enough (for spurs)' are not the same thing, at all, and that I haven't seen anyone say David Moyes is crap, not a good manager or anything of the like, which is what you went off on.

So you have fun raging against things that weren't said. I'll just watch for more news about the new coach.

 

[soup]

I don't know why people are dubious about Everton's style of play under Moyes. They're one of the most dynamic teams in the premiership on their day.

 

[roosh]

On the one hand I found the guy on SSN a bit unconvincing - could they be basing their story on internet sites , as they gave little confidence that their sources were good. On the other, they have to be total idiots to splash it like that if they are not 100% sure of the story.

While I would agree that HR was distracted by the England speculation and did make some tactical mistakes, on balance I think this is a bad move, unless DL has a really special replacement lined up. The reality is that we would not be having any debate if Chelsea had not somehow fluked the CL - I defy anyone to deny that if they were told at the start of the season that we would finish 4th they would have been very happy. For all his faults, that is the core of it for me with regards to HR as manager

If you had've been told halfway through the season, when sitting in third, that you would finish 4th with no CL football, you would have been less pleased.

 

[Davo99]

I seriously can't fathom for the life of me why we didn't go in for Rodgers ourselves providing Levy knew this was coming a while back? He was absolutely tailor-made.

Perhaps Levy had his heart set on Moyes, and with the stadium on the way and the few years we have ahead of us I can understand why.

God I hope so anyway. If we go for a Martinez or an unproven foreign boss who ultimately flops I'll be so disappointed.

 

[AngerManagement]

To answer the first question I'd undoubtedly say yes, definitely.

To answer the second question, again, I'd say yes definitely. Like you wouldn't believe, in fact.

And to be honest I think the last point is not thought through very well at all. Firstly, how much did that lot all cost and how much do they all earn? I was disagreeing with those who were calling Moyes not very shrewd and was coming up with some examples. I don't see what that's remotely got to do with Pardew, someone who wasn't even being discussed. Are you suggesting Jelavic was a one off as well? Are you forgetting players like Howard, Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Baines, even Distin etc. and that's just in the last few years off the top of my head. And how much did that lot all cost. Fuck all. Jelavic was definitely not a one-off whatsoever. Moyes has also been doing it for years and years at the same Club, the whole time Pardew was going from Club to Club getting sacked from the likes of West Ham, Charlton, Southampton etc. He's hardly had the same level of sustained success as Moyes has. It's a terrible comparison. That's not to say the team currently at Newcastle haven't done a great job the last year or two because they quite clearly have, but the situation at Newcastle and the situatiin at Everton could hardly be anymore different, which is why I think your last question has so little point.

I don't see how you can so strongly feel Moyes has done a better job than Redknapp did for us, ok Harry had more to work with but equally he achieved a lot more.

Moyes has done well with a limited budget ok, so did Curbishly at Charlton.

When did I suggest Jelavic was a one off? I am saying Pardew has also made several great signings but how do we really know the extent to which either he or moyes was involved in the scouting of these players or the signing of them? and indeed how do we know either would be able to replicate that at a team with different ambitions looking to bring in a different calibre of player?

Moyes has done well at ONE club, while you use that as a positive the flip side to that coin is we don't know how well he will do at another club out of his comfort zone.

The point is Pardew is doing well now, better than Moyes in fact and is managing a better calibre of player at a club with greater expectations, greater pressure and probably closer to the issues they would face at our job.

Big Sam at Bolton did well for years on a relatively small budget getting the best out of his players and making them punch above his weight (not at all dissimilar to Moyes) how did he fare when asked to transfer that performance at a bigger club with grander expectations and more money at his disposal?

Alan Curbishly worked wonders at Charlton for a very long time also, he too failed to reproduce that form when he took a bigger higher profile job.

Moyes has done well at Everton I agree, but there's a comfort zone that exists when you're at one club for a long period of time and as the likes of Curbs and Big Sam have shown this really does not guarantee success when you move on to bigger and better things.

I can't agree that Moyes has done better for Everton than Redknapp did for Spurs and I certainly can't say the job he has done makes him a more suitable manager for us than Harry (style of football the biggest factor)

Sideways step for me, Moyes could do a good job but there is a lot of potential for it to go tits up in my opinion, I'm not sure how the existing players will respond if he is appointed and I'm not sure how our transfer targets will change and I think he will takes us back before he can begin to take us forward and frankly if I am honest I would like someone bigger to take our job.

 

[AngerManagement]

I seriously can't fathom for the life of me why we didn't go in for Rodgers ourselves providing Levy knew this was coming a while back? He was absolutely tailor-made.

Perhaps Levy had his heart set on Moyes, and with the stadium on the way and the few years we have ahead of us I can understand why.

God I hope so anyway. If we go for a Martinez or an unproven foreign boss who ultimately flops I'll be so disappointed.

How do you know we didn't?

Maybe we sounded him out and we were told he wanted to go to Liverpool ahead of us

 

[roosh]

I'm kind of torn about this. On the one hand, when I knew Harry wanted the England job, and seemed to be doing all within his power to get it, I wanted him gone, because he was having a detrimental effect on the club. When he was passed over for the England job, I wanted him to stay, because he has brought the club forward; we've had some fantastic seasons since he's been in charge, and we have steadily progressed; if Capello hadn't been sacked then I think our season would have ended very differently.

Like some though, I am concerned at the kind of players Harry seems to buy; the age profile of the squad does seem to have increased quite a bit; in some ways that's good, because we need experience, but we need youth as well.


It was basically a choice of offer him a longer contract or get rid; we've opted to get rid; we'll get a new manager in and we'll move past it. He might not do well, we might have a couple of poor seasons, but we'll just get rid of that one too; it's the spurs way.

 

[BillyWhizz]

I think in the short term this will prove to be a bad decision, especially if we don't get a top notch manager in.

The press and general public, probably even the average Spurs fan are going to think its damn right crazy to sack our most successful manager in the PL era and any slip up or slow start by the new man is going to be under a very bright spot light and the pressure will make his job much harder.

He hasn't technically been sacked though has he these things happen sometimes, though I expect some will still criticise the decision to let him go. Until we hear more from both parties we just don't know what the final factor was. Will I believe what either of them will say? Probably not.

 

[balotz]

Forget Capello. We need to bring in a young manager who can build a legacy. We're no longer a team that needs a short term fix - and let's face it, that's what Redknapp was. Results wise you cannot say Harry did a bad job overall, but it was the lack of ambition and foresight that cost us.

"Couldn't be more pleased with 4th" - Redknapp 2012, before CL final
"This is as good as it gets" - after 5th place finish, 2011

Mixed feelings about Moyes - getting the best out of a limited set of players at Everton is no easy job, but a totally different task to what he'd face at Spurs.

Personally I think we should get AVB in. He suffered because of a powerful clique of veteran players at Chelsea - we don't have this problem. We'll have more chance of keeping Modric, Bale etc and attracting bigger names with AVB rather than Moyes.