class of 62
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grow up.
"Hate The Shirt"
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grow up.
Sp3akerboxxx
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Your attitude is archaic, and frankly, moronic.
If someone is being racist then they don't deserve my respect, and certainly are not a yid. Therefore I wouldn't bat an eyelid "grassing them up". This is some fat, drunk, uneducated, idiotic stranger whose only contribution has been to lessen my enjoyment of a game that I just paid £55 to get in to, certainly not a brother in arms who deserves my respect.
Respect is gained from more than sitting in the same area as me.
class of 62
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I havnt said anything about rascist behaviour/rascism as that is clearly on a different level & not acceptable to any sane person,
done it in front of me i still wouldn't give fuck what size they are drunk or sober i'd confront them there & then instead of getting on the grass hotline, if that's moronic then i'm a moron.
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Love the article but don't get this supporter/fan divide. Can someone explain to me what the difference is? I always thought of fans and supporters as the same.
My understanding was that the word fan came from "fanatic" which sums me up pretty well really. Obviously you get negative fans and supporters. We just need the drum IMO. Get some noise going.
My understanding was that the word fan came from "fanatic" which sums me up pretty well really. Obviously you get negative fans and supporters. We just need the drum IMO. Get some noise going.
Sp3akerboxxx
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Quite.
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It's not (necessarily) moronic if that's your approach, but it's a little short-sighted to say the least for you to criticise anyone who'd want to report the issue instead.
Blackcanary
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I don't understand this need for confrontation. If someone is singing/ saying abusive things then you wading in isn't going to make them go "Clearly Sir, you are right, I will change my ways and devote myself to enlightenment henceforth". Confrontation isn't going to help, it's just going to risk making the incident boil over.
class of 62
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yes. point taken ... by confronting i mean asking them to stop firsty. (nice & politely in this sterile environment
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class of 62
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indeed
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yes. point taken ... by confronting i mean asking them to stop firsty. (nice & politely in this sterile environment
My issue with that is that if someone is so stupid as to be racist, then I'd expect they'd be stupid enough to react to a polite request to shut up by thumping me.
And I don't like getting thumped.
class of 62
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from experience most will verbally abuse you even more before any sort of physical violence as they don't expect confrontation as they really believe there with there own strangely enough & expect people to support there point of view.
(obviously you realise this is a morons experience & point of view )
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You've never seen dozens of empty miniatures floating in the toilets at half time, then?
I suspect this is exactly what happened with Millwall fans yesterday.
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Ipso facto...?
Sorry.
Shut up you. Or else I'll thump you.
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Is TSH getting thumped? Can I play?
Misfit
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Heh! Said exactly this to some of the dozens of mugs around me giving dog's abuse to Ghaly only to be butthurt like the little bitches they were when he responded in kind and threw his shirt away. Nastiest atmosphere I've ever experienced at the Lane was that night.
Sadly that ws yrs ago now. Those types lead the agenda completely now.
Hoping the 1882 lot and other likeminded fans who go regularly all the very best in turning the tide around.
Sadly that ws yrs ago now. Those types lead the agenda completely now.
Hoping the 1882 lot and other likeminded fans who go regularly all the very best in turning the tide around.
I think there's a fair bit of cross purposes going on here.
There's a clear difference between general player abuse and racist abuse. The article in the op somewhat clouds this by almost suggesting we should report player abuse as racist abuse, which I disagree with.
So it's important that we distinguish whether we are referring to player abuse or racist abuse in this thread.
I personally feel this thread is still about player abuse and therefore should be kept separate, even if it does go against, in part, the articles wishes. If anything it wont help the cause just only muddy it.
Class of 62 is quite right that there is little evidence of racist abuse at the ground however the general player abuse is compelling. The argument that player abuse should be countered by standing up to them is all very well but it rarely happens. There's the occasional guy that does but on the whole most don't want to get involved and rightly so. I do think though that if people are that willing to complain about it on a forum then it is slightly hypocritical to just sit there at a game and talk about it later. As someone else posted the way to indirectly tackle that is to start singing. That's what YOU can do about it.
However the evidence still isn't there and the atmosphere has suffered with very few people willing to stand up to the moaners in the form of song (and I don't mean like in some twisted musical 1960's sense).
As for racist abuse well I have no problem with people not standing up to them and reporting it via the official means. It certainly isn't grassing. I think this is a bit of a silly discussion really because for me the real important issue is the shit atmosphere and the original article on here was really addressing that.
I do however agree with Class of 62 on that front and it seems the club have perhaps inadvertently contributed to this by giving more power (or attention) to types that thrive on an unpleasant atmosphere or at the very least it plays into their hands. Whether that's by seating (fair enough) or just stifling the atmosphere as he pointed out by making everyone sit etc...which I can understand it's just not helping and they haven't looked at this as a problem, which they need to do.
As I said earlier it's a shame that all these so called 'hardnuts' aren't around to help tackle this shit atmosphere problem because there seems to be more than enough of them on the internet.
There's a clear difference between general player abuse and racist abuse. The article in the op somewhat clouds this by almost suggesting we should report player abuse as racist abuse, which I disagree with.
So it's important that we distinguish whether we are referring to player abuse or racist abuse in this thread.
I personally feel this thread is still about player abuse and therefore should be kept separate, even if it does go against, in part, the articles wishes. If anything it wont help the cause just only muddy it.
Class of 62 is quite right that there is little evidence of racist abuse at the ground however the general player abuse is compelling. The argument that player abuse should be countered by standing up to them is all very well but it rarely happens. There's the occasional guy that does but on the whole most don't want to get involved and rightly so. I do think though that if people are that willing to complain about it on a forum then it is slightly hypocritical to just sit there at a game and talk about it later. As someone else posted the way to indirectly tackle that is to start singing. That's what YOU can do about it.
However the evidence still isn't there and the atmosphere has suffered with very few people willing to stand up to the moaners in the form of song (and I don't mean like in some twisted musical 1960's sense).
As for racist abuse well I have no problem with people not standing up to them and reporting it via the official means. It certainly isn't grassing. I think this is a bit of a silly discussion really because for me the real important issue is the shit atmosphere and the original article on here was really addressing that.
I do however agree with Class of 62 on that front and it seems the club have perhaps inadvertently contributed to this by giving more power (or attention) to types that thrive on an unpleasant atmosphere or at the very least it plays into their hands. Whether that's by seating (fair enough) or just stifling the atmosphere as he pointed out by making everyone sit etc...which I can understand it's just not helping and they haven't looked at this as a problem, which they need to do.
As I said earlier it's a shame that all these so called 'hardnuts' aren't around to help tackle this shit atmosphere problem because there seems to be more than enough of them on the internet.
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It the player abuse is racially charged then it's also racial abuse. If you're black and standing next to someone calling Gallas a "black c*nt" you're not gonna be any less effected by it because it's "player abuse not racial abuse".
No one has the right to be racist. That's what this and the other similar thread seem to be unable to understand.
Yes I understand what you are saying and agree. However the effect that merging the two issues together is causing more emphasis on the racial element which isn't helpful.
The issue of racial abuse is quite clear: If you hear it and want something done then report it and let the club sort it out (or if you're the class of 62 just lump him).
But lets not go on about that here, as the evidence of racist abuse are just so few that the wider issue of player abuse gets confused or lost. The article in the op was about the general issue of player abuse (albeit trying to re-badge it as racism). That's a real dangerous line and not helpful to the cause of sorting out our shit fan problem. It seems that this is already causing confusion judging from the range or responses, so I just wanted to help steer it in the relevant direction.
