Have we ever had a more humiliating season ?

[Coyboy]

He was a self aggrandising, bullshitting ****.

You might have a few things in common with him then.

 

[beats1]

Yeah in terms of style of football, it has been terrible.

Not even that accomplishment wise we haven't don't anything of note or had great moments
2006: miss out on CL with a pretty poor squad due to a stomach bug but great ride
2007: Beat Chelsea for the first time in ages, great west ham match, Uefa cup was amazing and witnessed the best atmosphere at the lane against Seville when we need 4 goals
2008: We looked like we finally had a proper LW before he went missing for a couple of years, but involved in some great matches scoring 4 or more goals 9 times including a match with 10 goals, 4-4 comebacks against Villa and Chelsea. We beat Arsenal 5-1 as well and won the Carling cup.
2009: Terrible start but some good football played, the Arsenal 4-4 match was awesome, beat liverpool, Got to carling cup final and lost because of an iPod.
2010: Bale was on fire second half of the season and we beat Arsenal, Chelsea and City in a month to get CL, Lennon was on fire in the first half of the season, we beat wigan 9-1
2011: I really don't need say, CL end of
2012: we outsiders for the title and had defoe had bigger shoes we would of beat city. VDV, Modric and Bale together
2013: Beat united away, bale becomes one of the great players of the PL, beat city
2014: beat Newcastle 4-0 and beat a shitter united side

Of course these are just the positives.

 

[dudu]

Its been the most humiliating in the fact that this was the season we were meant to announce ourselves as serious contenders after spending £100m of top talent, despite selling bale and a top young manager at the helm.

Instead we are the laughing stock of the league after another hilarious failure. Its been a nightmare working with all these arsenal and chelsea fans.

Were we? according to who? the media? I never imagined we would be serious contenders this year and if you did you based it on nothing more than what was in your own mind and not the reality of the situation.

Sorry but arsenal and chelsea fans have been laughing at us for ever, for years - No Chelsea fan ever and i mean ever made fun of me more than when we fucked ourselves out of the CL spot by gifting 3rd to arsenal.

Being in 3rd and losing a 10 point lead and not getting in the CL cos Chelsea who finished 6th won it was highly more embarrassing.

 

[dannythomas]

Not to me it wasn't . The present squad is gutless and rolls over against any quality team. It is not helped by having had 2 stubborn coaches, one of whom refused to choose our best striker and our record signing because of ego and the other persists in playing a young kid who is out of his depth yet keeps out the likes of Sandro, Paulinho, Capoue and Dembele. They both share belief in Sigurdsson and Lennon who might as well be replaced by coat stands and they allow the likes of Vertonghen to get away with minimal effort. They both refused to bring back BAE who is not great but clearly better than Rose who is championship level at best.
Yet we spent more than $100m strengthening the squad. Everyone at the time said that was great. But out of all the new players only Eriksen has justified his purchase. Lamela has simply not had enough chances. Same with Capoue. The jury is out on Chadli and Chiriches who have shown promise but have not yet convinced. Paulinho and Soldado have been big disappointments . But I don't criticize Levy for that. He got out his cheque book when asked. Baldini should carry the can. He should be fired along with Sherwood.
But the statistic someone posted earlier in this thread that in all the league games we have lost we only scored 1 goal is telling. That is a sign of a team wihout heart. And the rolling over again an again is humiliating . I cannot compare that with Redknapp's last season. Chelsea undeservedly won the CL by parking the bus against better teams and we got screwed. Redknapp was more concerned about his court case and the England job and took his eye off the ball. But the players were not quitters like the present bunch.

 

[KitKat]

Were we? according to who? the media? I never imagined we would be serious contenders this year and if you did you based it on nothing more than what was in your own mind and not the reality of the situation.

Sorry but arsenal and chelsea fans have been laughing at us for ever, for years - No Chelsea fan ever and i mean ever made fun of me more than when we fucked ourselves out of the CL spot by gifting 3rd to arsenal.

Being in 3rd and losing a 10 point lead and not getting in the CL cos Chelsea who finished 6th won it was highly more embarrassing.

Well we'd spent in the summer like we have never before, so if there was ever a year we could really push on then this was it, ok maybe not serious contenders yet but on that path, instead we blew the money on what looks like mainly crap and the rest is history.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Losing a 10 point gap over the scum to throw away a CL spot... That truly hurt, this season is nothing compared to the hurt and pain of that season.

I will never forgive Harry for that.

 

[nicdic]

Of course we may but that's optimistic speculation right now. So we have still scored more and I think I read on another thread how almost half out goals have been due to errors.

2006/07 wasn't a great season by any stretch, especially the beginning but I don't see the parallels with this, nor have you shown any.

Re the above post, constantly attacking Redknapp for not getting CL footy is pretty flawed logic when it was he who got us into that position in the first place and were it not for Chelsea getting lucky in the CL, would have twice.

And we would have been punching above our weight by being in the top four, in terms of financial clout.

Shouldn't have mattered.

 

[Styopa]

It is a good question. I think it's hard to keep perspective in these situations as there is always hysteria and a tendency to believe things are worse than they have ever been. This happens not just in football but in life. How often do you hear an older person claim things we were better in 'their day'.

So trying to be as objective as possible, do I think this is our most humiliating season? definitely not. I think we have suffered 4 and possibly 5 very embarrassing defeats but we have won most of the games we would have expected to win, which is better than we have often done. Here are my other reasons why:

The hype generated by the summer signings set some of our expectations artificially high. We have also become used to being extremely competitive over the last few years. But ponder over this for a few moments and ask yourself whether perhaps you expected too much: over the last two years we have replaced a (reasonably) successful, experienced premier league team of great potential with (reasonably) successful individuals of great potential with little or no premier league experience in most cases. Witness: Vertonghen to replace King. Dembele to replace Modric. Dempsey to replace VDV/ Chadli and Eriksen to replace Dempsey/VDV. Chirinches to replace Caulker. Lamela to replace Bale. Capoue/Paulinho to replace Huddlestone/Parker. Even Soldado to replace Defoe. The standard narrative is we spent like crazy to challenge for the league but I think this shows that is not the case.

Moreover, the teams are above us all have more settled squads and none of them - apart from Arsenal - have lost their best player(s) over the last couple of seasons.

Yes, the defeats against the top teams have been humiliating. And really, that's what this comes down to. However, we are not alone in being given a thrashing by these teams. In fact most of the teams in the league have been thrashed by Liverpool and/or Man City and/or Chelsea including Arsenal, Man Utd and Everton. True we have been thrashed by the top 4 teams repeatedly and if we had put up a bit more fight in those games but still lost we wouldn't all be feeling so demoralised or 'humiliated'.

But look at our results outside of the current top 4 and we have won 17 out of 24 games losing 3 times and only suffering one heavy/ very embarrassing defeat: West Ham at home. Contrast that for example to 2002/3 when we were comprehensively beaten by supposedly lowlier rivals including Middlesbrough (L 5-1 A/ 0-3 H), Blackburn (L 4-0), and lost to everyone from Bolton, to Southampton, to West Ham, to Fulham to Sunderland.

Apart from a mildly embarrassing cup exit to West Ham, our cup record too has been unremarkable. In the FA and Europa cups we went out to teams who are better than ourselves at this moment. Nothing shameful in that, just disappointing.

And that's it really. This season has been disappointing rather than humiliating. Sure there have been a few humiliating results but look back through the years and you will see we usually have a few of those each season anyway. We may not have lived up to the narrative written for us but it was a false narrative and doesn't reflect reality.

 

[al_pacino]

It is a good question. I think it's hard to keep perspective in these situations as there is always hysteria and a tendency to believe things are worse than they have ever been. This happens not just in football but in life. How often do you hear an older person claim things we were better in 'their day'.

So trying to be as objective as possible, do I think this is our most humiliating season? definitely not. I think we have suffered 4 and possibly 5 very embarrassing defeats but we have won most of the games we would have expected to win, which is better than we have often done. Here are my other reasons why:

The hype generated by the summer signings set some of our expectations artificially high. We have also become used to being extremely competitive over the last few years. But ponder over this for a few moments and ask yourself whether perhaps you expected too much: over the last two years we have replaced a (reasonably) successful, experienced premier league team of great potential with (reasonably) successful individuals of great potential with little or no premier league experience in most cases. Witness: Vertonghen to replace King. Dembele to replace Modric. Dempsey to replace VDV/ Chadli and Eriksen to replace Dempsey/VDV. Chirinches to replace Caulker. Lamela to replace Bale. Capoue/Paulinho to replace Huddlestone/Parker. Even Soldado to replace Defoe. The standard narrative is we spent like crazy to challenge for the league but I think this shows that is not the case.

Moreover, the teams are above us all have more settled squads and none of them - apart from Arsenal - have lost their best player(s) over the last couple of seasons.

Yes, the defeats against the top teams have been humiliating. And really, that's what this comes down to. However, we are not alone in being given a thrashing by these teams. In fact most of the teams in the league have been thrashed by Liverpool and/or Man City and/or Chelsea including Arsenal, Man Utd and Everton. True we have been thrashed by the top 4 teams repeatedly and if we had put up a bit more fight in those games but still lost we wouldn't all be feeling so demoralised or 'humiliated'.

But look at our results outside of the current top 4 and we have won 17 out of 24 games losing 3 times and only suffering one heavy/ very embarrassing defeat: West Ham at home. Contrast that for example to 2002/3 when we were comprehensively beaten by supposedly lowlier rivals including Middlesbrough (L 5-1 A/ 0-3 H), Blackburn (L 4-0), and lost to everyone from Bolton, to Southampton, to West Ham, to Fulham to Sunderland.

Apart from a mildly embarrassing cup exit to West Ham, our cup record too has been unremarkable. In the FA and Europa cups we went out to teams who are better than ourselves at this moment. Nothing shameful in that, just disappointing.

And that's it really. This season has been disappointing rather than humiliating. Sure there have been a few humiliating results but look back through the years and you will see we usually have a few of those each season anyway. We may not have lived up to the narrative written for us but it was a false narrative and doesn't reflect reality.

Excellent post. Perspective and hysteria really should be the words of the day.

18.01.1992(had to Google this) - beaten at home by Southampton and went to a mates birthday party and spent the first 30 mins having the piss taken out of me. This was relegation fodder Southampton not the decent team we've just beaten. The whole season was like that. The next season was like that. The next five seasons were like that. This season would be a vintage one compared to those.

 

[degoose]

Excellent post. Perspective and hysteria really should be the words of the day.

18.01.1992(had to Google this) - beaten at home by Southampton and went to a mates birthday party and spent the first 30 mins having the piss taken out of me. This was relegation fodder Southampton not the decent team we've just beaten. The whole season was like that. The next season was like that. The next five seasons were like that. This season would be a vintage one compared to those.

well agreed, this season is pretty good if we are comparing it too pretty much any season in the 90's except 99 and 91 when we won a cup.

 

[Spurger King]

Losing a 10 point gap over the scum to throw away a CL spot... That truly hurt, this season is nothing compared to the hurt and pain that season.

I will never forgive Harry for that.

Yet prior to the last couple of months it was one of our greatest seasons in living memory. Some of my happiest moments as a Spurs fan came in that season.

well agreed, this season is pretty good if we are comparing it too pretty much any season in the 90's except 99 and 91 when we won a cup.

But they weren't humiliating in the way this season has been. Do you think City fans would be OK about finishing 8th next season, simply because it would still be a lot higher than they used to finish?

The quality of our team is significantly different compared to the 90s, and the expectations are justifiably higher. For a team that was supposedly trying to make a claim as being one of the big boys (a claim not entirely ridiculous considering how we have performed in recent seasons), to become the whipping boys of the 'big four' is an embarrassing and spectacular failure on the part of our players, both managers, and Levy.

 

[Misfit]

The flirtation with relegation was the worst in my personal history. Always remember the game at Selhurst Park where I could finally breathe easy. We were truly awful for great swathes of that season.

About humiliation, there are a few seasons to choose from when it comes to Spurs. Hell, even the way the team went on holiday the day after the LC win under Wendy was pretty disgusting.

 

[al_pacino]

But they weren't humiliating in the way this season has been. Do you think City fans would be OK about finishing 8th next season, simply because it would still be a lot higher than they used to finish?

The quality of our team is significantly different compared to the 90s, and the expectations are justifiably higher. For a team that was supposedly trying to make a claim as being one of the big boys (a claim not entirely ridiculous considering how we have performed in recent seasons), to become the whipping boys of the 'big four' is an embarrassing and spectacular failure on the part of our players, both managers, and Levy.

We were one of the big boys back then(relative to now) and we struggled to make the top half.

 

[dudu]

Well we'd spent in the summer like we have never before, so if there was ever a year we could really push on then this was it, ok maybe not serious contenders yet but on that path, instead we blew the money on what looks like mainly crap and the rest is history.

Oh certainly by now i would have hoped to have seen some kind of 'team' emerging but that was the task at the beginning of the year right? Build a team pretty much from scratch, not something you would think would be very easy to translate into a CL finish when you actually take everything into account.

 

[Coyboy]

Shouldn't have mattered.

Nope but it did and the fact remains that we would have got in were it not for that. Finishing fourth was still a very good achievement and if the criticism of Redknapp is "you should have finished the job" well the same goes for the players and he deserves and they deserve a great deal of credit for getting us to that position. That doesn't make him or them immune to criticism, but worthy of abuse and accusations of fucking up? No. Worthy of being fired? Hell no.

 

[ultimateloner]

It wasn't so long ago that Michael Brown was the dynamite in our midfield, supported by the likes of Berti etc.
Bunja was our CB. Doherty was our striker.
Those were time when we can't get a top 10 finish.

Humiliation is when we under-perform drastically given our resources. We were back then. not anymore.

 

[pook]

It is a good question. I think it's hard to keep perspective in these situations as there is always hysteria and a tendency to believe things are worse than they have ever been. This happens not just in football but in life. How often do you hear an older person claim things we were better in 'their day' ...

yeah, but that's because older people are wiser, know more, and because things actually were better in our ... er ... their day.

 

[shelfboy68]

[quot you ye="Styopa, post: 3951001, member: 27337"]It is a good question. I think it's hard to keep perspective in these situations as there is always hysteria and a tendency to believe things are worse than they have ever been. This happens not just in football but in life. How often do you hear an older person claim things we were better in 'their day'.

So trying to be as objective as possible, do I think this is our most humiliating season? definitely not. I think we have suffered 4 and possibly 5 very embarrassing defeats but we have won most of the games we would have expected to win, which is better than we have often done. Here are my other reasons why:

The hype generated by the summer signings set some of our expectations artificially high. We have also become used to being extremely competitive over the last few years. But ponder over this for a few moments and ask yourself whether perhaps you expected too much: over the last two years we have replaced a (reasonably) successful, experienced premier league team of great potential with (reasonably) successful individuals of great potential with little or no premier league experience in most cases. Witness: Vertonghen to replace King. Dembele to replace Modric. Dempsey to replace VDV/ Chadli and Eriksen to replace Dempsey/VDV. Chirinches to replace Caulker. Lamela to replace Bale. Capoue/Paulinho to replace Huddlestone/Parker. Even Soldado to replace Defoe. The standard narrative is we spent like crazy to challenge for the league but I think this shows that is not the case.

Moreover, the teams are above us all have more settled squads and none of them - apart from Arsenal - have lost their best player(s) over the last couple of seasons.

Yes, the defeats against the top teams have been humiliating. And really, that's what this comes down to. However, we are not alone in being given a thrashing by these teams. In fact most of the teams in the league have been thrashed by Liverpool and/or Man City and/or Chelsea including Arsenal, Man Utd and Everton. True we have been thrashed by the top 4 teams repeatedly and if we had put up a bit more fight in those games but still lost we wouldn't all be feeling so demoralised or 'humiliated'.

But look at our results outside of the current top 4 and we have won 17 out of 24 games losing 3 times and only suffering one heavy/ very embarrassing defeat: West Ham at home. Contrast that for example to 2002/3 when we were comprehensively beaten by supposedly lowlier rivals including Middlesbrough (L 5-1 A/ 0-3 H), Blackburn (L 4-0), and lost to everyone from Bolton, to Southampton, to West Ham, to Fulham to Sunderland.

Apart from a mildly embarrassing cup exit to West Ham, our cup record too has been unremarkable. In the FA and Europa cups we went out to teams who are better than ourselves at this moment. Nothing shameful in that, just disappointing.

And that's it really. This season has been disappointing rather than humiliating. Sure there have been a few humiliating results but look back through the years and you will see we usually have a few of those each season anyway. We may not have lived up to the narrative written for us but it was a false narrative and doesn't reflect reality.[/quote]

When you compare seasons it's very difficult to judge because so many factors come into it but this is most definitely one of the worst in recent memory.
Considering our relatively lofty position over the last few seasons plus the financial outlay I can't recall us getting trashed as bad or as many times as this one you would like to think that the player's have some pride or be ashamed but I don't think they are.
It has been probably the most gutless and heartless display I have seen in many a year we have become a laughing stock which I know about having like many to go back to work on a Monday morning and face that shit.