How Harry Works

[Dan Ashcroft]

Just came across this by a poster called Lauren on FTL and can't see it anywhere else on here. It's absolutely spot on and is entitled 'How Harry Works': http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4852/arry2tc2.jpg

 

[rez9000]

Sadly, it's the third time it's been posted on SC. Sorry, dude.

 

[freeeki]

Ouch.

 

[monkeynick]

Not a Harry fan are you Dan. Would you rather Ramos was still in charge?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Sadly, it's the third time it's been posted on SC. Sorry, dude.

Sorry - I did try searching for it as well.

Not a Harry fan are you Dan. Would you rather Ramos was still in charge?

Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

 

[JamesTheYiddo]

Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

:clap:

 

[Petyr]

Sorry - I did try searching for it as well.



Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

I'm a big fan of Ramos but the change was necessary IMO. It's a pure speculation to suggest that under Ramos we would have had more points by this time.

That said, I don't like HR, too.

 

[monkeynick]

Sorry - I did try searching for it as well.



Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

Interesting, think you may well be one of a very few people who think that Ramos would've turned things around.
Aside from the CC run he didn't really get us playing, he had long enough to motivate the players and couldn't seem do it.
I don't see why you think we'd attract higher calibre of players now than in close season when we clearly couldn't all the talk of Asrharvin, Veloso etc was was very nice but he left us threadbare.
Harry may not be a long term answer but I think he's the right man to try and clear up Wendys mess.

 

[Leon82]

Sorry - I did try searching for it as well.



Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

I fully agree with you

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Wiener]

Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

I see where you are coming from and I too was not too excited by Redknapp's appointment.

It does seem however that appointing a foreign manager with no experience of english football, to a club, I include both fans and management, with very high expectations (arguably unrealistic ones) and a policy of buying english players, was in hindsight a bit of a mistake. Ramos is probably a very good manager, but it's clear that he lost the players.

There are a lot of things that worry me about Redknapp. His endless media interviews, his public criticisms of individual players, his attempts to deflect blame and his inability to articulate any kind of vision for how he wants THFC to play. I do however think he does try and keep things simple and tries to play players in their natural position.

Our squad is not bad and we have bought well this window (thank god no Bellamy and no Heskey), so if Redknapp continues to keep it simple, I think we have a very good chance of finishing safely in mid table, and who knows what the Carling and UEFA cups will bring.

What I cannot work out is whether Levy is using Redknapp as a short-term solution or whether he is secretely hatching another 5 year plan that doesn't include 'Arry.

 

[whiteheartdave]

The only thing that I am going to say is that at least Harry has come in and identified our problems to which Ramos did not and the Buying and selling policies under him was a joke, it might of not been Ramos fault with the selling and buying but ffs lets get behind the current manager who our premiership future rely on

 

[Archibald-CPH]

Sorry - I did try searching for it as well.



Yep. I think we'd probably have more points by this time (Redknapps 'honeymoon' and then the collapse since early December have levelled out really) and I think we'd've bought a much higher calibre of players in this past month as well. Ramos had a vision and was creating something for the longer term whereas Redknapp is a simple pragmatist.

Spot on Dan, just that I think that it all started going wrong on a october nigth 2007 playing against Getafe

 

[hybridsoldier]

totally off topic but dan ashcroft's sig is brilliant! much better than mine

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Interesting, think you may well be one of a very few people who think that Ramos would've turned things around.
Aside from the CC run he didn't really get us playing, he had long enough to motivate the players and couldn't seem do it.
I don't see why you think we'd attract higher calibre of players now than in close season when we clearly couldn't all the talk of Asrharvin, Veloso etc was was very nice but he left us threadbare.
Harry may not be a long term answer but I think he's the right man to try and clear up Wendys mess.

I actually think Ramos did a good job of cleaning up the squad. We were 2 players (as you say Arshavin and Veloso) missing when the music stopped, but otherwise I quite liked our trim versatile 'Mourinho esque' squad.

The only thing that I am going to say is that at least Harry has come in and identified our problems to which Ramos did not and the Buying and selling policies under him was a joke, it might of not been Ramos fault with the selling and buying but ffs lets get behind the current manager who our premiership future rely on

Has he really?

Defoe is an upgrade on Bent
Palacios is an upgrade on Jenas
Cudicini is an upgrade on Sanchez
Chimbonda gives cover while Hutton is out injured

They are improvements, but upgrades to what we already have.

We are still missing a DM and a LM/10 - replacements for Carrick and Ginola/Keane.

Redknapp still hasn't addressed what Comolli and Jol/Ramos never did.

 

[southgatespur40]

i agree with you 100% dan but does anyone find it ironic that harry talks about buying players that have fire in the belly, players that are hungry for success, players that are loyal, players that would sweat blood etc. and then he goes and signs chimbonda what is wrong with him??

 

[whiteheartdave]

I actually think Ramos did a good job of cleaning up the squad. We were 2 players (as you say Arshavin and Veloso) missing when the music stopped, but otherwise I quite liked our trim versatile 'Mourinho esque' squad.



Has he really?

Defoe is an upgrade on Bent
Palacios is an upgrade on Jenas
Cudicini is an upgrade on Sanchez
Chimbonda gives cover while Hutton is out injured

They are improvements, but upgrades to what we already have.

We are still missing a DM and a LM/10 - replacements for Carrick and Ginola/Keane.

Redknapp still hasn't addressed what Comolli and Jol/Ramos never did.

I can see where you are coming from but he did come out and say that we are seriously lacking balance in our mid & attack also seriously lacking depth.

Personally from what I see of Palacios he could make a good DM he has great tackling abilities and awareness of breaking up attacking oppositions.

Chimbonda I see as a right back replacement for Corluka so freeing him up to play CB because I really don’t see King playing much more this season and we know Woodey is sometimes injury prone

Left mid as we know he was trying to addressed and still is if rumours are to be believed and I still think Bale can do a job there given time

Striker we are still looking again if rumours are to be believed.

 

[ShayLaB]

In one season Ramos and D.C. took us from a team that were strong top-half challengers to a team that won three games in eight months.

I don't care how visionary or tactically gifted he was the fact remains that we were bottom of the league after year in charge. We were showing no signs of getting better...if anything it was getting worse.

 

[aarontag]

I got a question that i cant be bothered to find the answer to:-

How many points did Ramos accumulate while he was here?

 

[bryanabutler]

Dan. Agree with most of what you say,except i would prefer MJ to Ramos. Under HR we seem to be after and buying players like Shorey, Hunt , C Cole, Viduka, Chimbonda.Instead of players like Capel, Zhirkov,Inler,Arshavin I would more than happy if we were after the likes of mf S Ireland, and D Sturridge instead of judas R Keane.

 

[Rocket]

i agree with you 100% dan but does anyone find it ironic that harry talks about buying players that have fire in the belly, players that are hungry for success, players that are loyal, players that would sweat blood etc. and then he goes and signs chimbonda what is wrong with him??

It's a weird one

So players like Bent and Bentley, who have had their commitment publically criticised will naturally think HR's full of shit for bringing him back

Maybe Harry can spin this to underachieving players that they can still have a chance to succeed here, however unlikely it may seem at the moment.

Maybe he thinks he can consistently motivate Chimbonda and succeed where other manager's have failed

Or maybe we got him back because he's the only half-decent premier league defender we could find on the cheap?