How long before you lose patience with Levy?

[JonnySpurs]

Of course it's a gamble... but it's not just the manager merry-go-round that defines Levies tenure. Berbatov, Modric, Bale...

Liverpool absolutely stopped their best player from leaving, seemingly irrespective of money and are reaping the rewards by leaping up the table and don't tell me we had to sell Bale, as it wasn't as if Suarez didn't nearly take Liverpool to the courts!!!

We sold the best player in the league and are just about standing still. It is all we do at the moment, stand still. Just when we have the right ingredients we sell them. And no one give me this crap that Bale had to have his move, as look how many applaud Liverpool's stance on Suarez. The media especially are totally 2 faced on this.

Levy deserves respect for running a tight financial ship and that will always come at the cost of player funding, but he also deserves a good slap for fecking about in the transfer market and chopping and changing entire structures.

Either he is the DoF or Baldini is, but as always with Spurs there are too many cooks at too many levels and no one is clear on the clear division of power and responsibility. There are too many ex-managers saying similar things for there not to be truth in this matter.

And we laughed when SAF said Levy "Levy, he's different", but frankly... it isn't always in our favour and recently I am questioning purely from a footballing sense how much HAS been in our favour.

It will always be a balance until more investment comes in etc... but frankly some heads need culling at the top if you ask me and a clear structure implemented so that a DoF (if that is the structure Levy really wants) can get on with the football, given a strict and clear budget and the power to go about the signings without some dragged out negotiations that cost us the start of nearly every season.

There's a significant difference though. Madrid nor did any other club - to our knowledge - make such a monumental, relentless and public effort to sign Luis Suarez like they did Bale. You're right, we could have forced him to stay but we sold him for £86 million for goodness sake........sometimes you just gotta know when you got a good deal and take it.

Moreover, Gareth Bale wanted to go and quite honestly he has proved to everybody that he was right to do so. He's tearing teams a new one in Spain, playing alongside Cristiano Ronaldo. There's simply no way that we could have kept him.

 

[yido_number1]

The club is crying out for some stability. Stick with a guy who can learn the club and how Levy works and back them. If you make the right decision hiring someone you should give them the chance to flourish and develop. Too many times we've let good managers go after a blip.

At the time I thought it was right, but now I see getting rid of Redknapp was a massive mistake, not backing AVB till at least the end of the season was also a mistake. I think sacking Tim at the end of the season will be his next mistake, the club is crying out for stability in both playing staff and management and its not gonna change under Levy...

 

[dynamoSpurs]

Tend to agree. But give them time DS.

You dont just replace a Modric. Probably the best player of his type I have every seen. I didn't rate him at first. So dont think I'll get a job as a scout.

Dont think our fullbacks are a joke either but having Naughton as our 2nd string is quite funny, NOT

LOL. Agree on the Modric point. Irreplaceable.

It's just highly annoying that we were on the cusp of greatness. Had all those players stayed, we'd be challenging for titles year in year out.

 

[SteveH]

LOL. Agree on the Modric point. Irreplaceable.

It's just highly annoying that we were on the cusp of greatness. Had all those players stayed, we'd be challenging for titles year in year out.

If those type of players stay at Spurs we will have won EPL a couple of time and the CL at least once. And will be a 125 y.o.......

for reference purposes I'm 60 ATM

 

[parklane1]

You sure about that?
How hard did we actually try to get him?

We did not, just more bullshit and guesswork. Rogers hinted he was but it was denied that he was offered the job. Was he a option? probably along with Martinez and Moyes but AVB was the first choice.

 

[parklane1]

It's all about perspective I guess, I run a company which is part of a multi-national, if I were to introduce a new product and it failed, I wouldn't get the chance again. This is the world I work in, and I guess it affects my perspective.

Football management is a gamble at the best of times, most managers have their failures as wll as their gains. Different kettle of fish to day to day workplaces.

 

[Deleted member 26368]

I quite like him. He reminds me of a Bond villain - 'you dare to negotiate with me fools.'

I get the hump when he flogs our best players, but at the very least he's always got top dollar for them.

I will get the serious hump if that continues and we still don't have the new ground in 2018.

 

[Mullers]

My take is he, Franco looks after ALL scouting and liases with Tim and his guys on a regular basis. Once a target or targets have been settled on. Franco will talk to Levy and firm up bid strategies. What transpires after that will be Levy's department with negotiations between Levy, outside clubs and those parasites agents. Franco will then come into the deals again if needed.

Yes it committee like in its structure but there are key points - identification: Franco & Tim - finance: Levy - negotiation Levy & Franco.

That is what should happen whether it does happen is a different matter entirely. As you keep saying no one knows what is going on behind the scenes, you shouldn't be pointing the finger at Baldini, the stance you should really take is one of impartiality.

But this clammer for oligarchs and oil rich sheiks is at the root of most of the Levy dissatisfaction.

It is sad - glory hunters are becoming the more vocal. The only thing that will stop the bleating by some, is "loads of money".

As I keep saying Steve, Levy and Enic want consistent top 4 and they expect any coach they hire to get top four. They are raising the expectation levels themselves, they are saying yes we can compete with the money men.

 

[SteveH]

As I keep saying Steve, Levy and Enic want consistent top 4 and they expect any coach they hire to get top four. They are raising the expectation levels themselves, they are saying yes we can compete with the money men.

Mullers - you have to keep striving to do better. You just can't stop trying to improve, that would be daft.

all clubs 'aim' to win every game or why bother.

So if your Levy what would you tell the fans, manager and players?

 

[Mullers]

Mullers - you have to keep striving to do better. You just can't stop trying to improve, that would be daft.

all clubs 'aim' to win every game or why bother.

So if your Levy what would you tell the fans, manager and players?

There is nothing wrong with striving to do better but you need the tools to do it and you have to be realistic about what can be achieved and the time frame it can be achieved at and let the people who know about football do their job.

 

[SteveH]

There is nothing wrong with striving to do better but you need the tools to do it and you have to be realistic about what can be achieved and the time frame it can be achieved at and let the people who know about football do their job.

I dont think we have any problems with our ambition.
I believe DL has struck the correct balance whilst putting long term stability as his first priority for the club.

Mullers DL is not perfect, but who is. I think he is the easy target and a natural focal point for fans frustrations. Im a little more pragmatic about our top four ambitions when I look around us at the excellent and wealthier clubs. I'm not bothered with domestic silverware ATM, that will come as the squad is stronger and more bedded in.

If could say one thing to Daniel Levy it would be, get that bloody stadium sorted 'me old cock sparrow'.
But even in saying that I little idea as to true complexities of stadium building and if you add the Tottenham regeneration angle, I'm clueless.

COYS

 

[Mullers]

I dont think we have any problems with our ambition.
I believe DL has struck the correct balance whilst putting long term stability as his first priority for the club.

Mullers DL is not perfect, but who is. I think he is the easy target and a natural focal point for fans frustrations. Im a little more pragmatic about our top four ambitions when I look around us at the excellent and wealthier clubs. I'm not bothered with domestic silverware ATM, that will come as the squad is stronger and more bedded in.

If could say one thing to Daniel Levy it would be, get that bloody stadium sorted 'me old cock sparrow'.
But even in saying that I little idea as to true complexities of stadium building and if you add the Tottenham regeneration angle, I'm clueless.

COYS

Nobody is perfect and I am not saying I want him to be. I think he is a very difficult target and the coach is a very easy target, so is the DOF. Those two will be criticized while the man who appointed them escapes criticism. Which is what I was trying to say to you in a previous post.

You say your not bothered with domestic silverware ATM, it will come as the squad becomes stronger and bedded in. Well time is a luxury. Anytime we don't into the CL there is a danger that players will leave, in this case the players who are making noises about leaving is Lloris and Verts, so we'll have to get two new players who are probably not as good and give them time to bed in.

In the meantime our rivals who have much more money than us get stronger and stronger, yet Levy is still going to expect that the new manager coming in should get top four.

 

[SteveH]

Nobody is perfect and I am not saying I want him to be. I think he is a very difficult target and the coach is a very easy target, so is the DOF. Those two will be criticized while the man who appointed them escapes criticism. Which is what I was trying to say to you in a previous post.

You say your not bothered with domestic silverware ATM, it will come as the squad becomes stronger and bedded in. Well time is a luxury. Anytime we don't into the CL there is a danger that players will leave, in this case the players who are making noises about leaving is Lloris and Verts, so we'll have to get two new players who are probably not as good and give them time to bed in.

In the meantime our rivals who have much more money than us get stronger and stronger, yet Levy is still going to expect that the new manager coming in should get top four.

"while the man who appointed them escapes criticism" With this gem I we will call it day.

Stay cool Mullers

 

[ItsBoris]

I don't want him out, but I have lost patience with him.

However, our problem has been more with the coaches and the people picking players to buy. That isn't Levy's job. It's a joke that we sold Bale and then bought an assortment of new players with the money, and not fucking one of them has really shown anything so far. That's mostly down to AVB doing a terrible job integrating them and ruining their confidence. Hopefully Soldado is on the road to recovering his goalscoring abilities now. Lamela's barely started (partly because AVB was stupid and didn't play him when he should have), Paulinho has been a mixed bag, Capoue almost immediately injured, Chiriches now injured but only showed glimpses before, Holtby showing glimpses but now on loan, and really Eriksen has been the only positive among all of them and is now, unsurprisingly, injured.

So we have a lot of problems, but it's Levy's job to sort it out and I'm more tired of him picking the wrong people than anything else.

 

[ultimateloner]

I think we are doing well enough. It's what you'd expect given a club our size.
We aren't bigger/richer than Man U/Man C/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea so theres no reason why we should expect to get top 4. It's what we should aim for but failing that isnt the end of the world.

Every club has a place in the league and if you try to break out over a short period of time you endanger what you've built; just look at Leeds, never recovered despite the local fan base. Increasingly it's about overseas fans so the aim should be to secure that to get more tv revenues and then go from there.

 

[Mullers]

I don't want him out, but I have lost patience with him.

However, our problem has been more with the coaches and the people picking players to buy. That isn't Levy's job. It's a joke that we sold Bale and then bought an assortment of new players with the money, and not fucking one of them has really shown anything so far. That's mostly down to AVB doing a terrible job integrating them and ruining their confidence. Hopefully Soldado is on the road to recovering his goalscoring abilities now. Lamela's barely started (partly because AVB was stupid and didn't play him when he should have), Paulinho has been a mixed bag, Capoue almost immediately injured, Chiriches now injured but only showed glimpses before, Holtby showing glimpses but now on loan, and really Eriksen has been the only positive among all of them and is now, unsurprisingly, injured.

So we have a lot of problems, but it's Levy's job to sort it out and I'm more tired of him picking the wrong people than anything else.

It isn't Levy's job but he has been doing that job to some extent.

 

[Mullers]

I think we are doing well enough. It's what you'd expect given a club our size.
We aren't bigger/richer than Man U/Man C/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea so theres no reason why we should expect to get top 4. It's what we should aim for but failing that isnt the end of the world.

Every club has a place in the league and if you try to break out over a short period of time you endanger what you've built; just look at Leeds, never recovered despite the local fan base. Increasingly it's about overseas fans so the aim should be to secure that to get more tv revenues and then go from there.

Tell that to Levy and the quiet man, Lewis and tell them to stop sacking manager just because they think they that they won't get thm top four.

 

[jambreck]

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With ffp that ship has sailed.

I doubt it, mate.

City and PSG are already proving that it's easy enough to get around FFP. PSG even managed to backdate their outrageously lucrative sponsorship deal, for crying out loud! Brazen!

 

[jambreck]

Tell that to Levy and the quiet man, Lewis and tell them to stop sacking manager just because they think they that they won't get thm top four.

That's not why previous managers have been sacked.

 

[Lilbaz]

I doubt it, mate.

City and PSG are already proving that it's easy enough to get around FFP. PSG even managed to backdate their outrageously lucrative sponsorship deal, for crying out loud! Brazen!

And are being investigated along with 75 other clubs.
We'll find out in may if it has teeth.