How many more years do you want Harry to stay?

[Leo]

Yep

How depressing.

 

[Welshiespursboyo]

How depressing.

Cool

 

[ItsBoris]

My mind is really fucked now, are we better because the England shit is over? Would we have stormed forward without that or would we have collapsed anyway?

 

[kishman]

"One Harry Redknapp, there's only one Harry Redknapp!"

I bet all you Harry-bashers loved our fans singing that towards the end!

COYS!!

 

[srups34]

I've changed my mind I want Harry to stay forever

 

[OmarsComing]

 

[MightyModric]

If we finish the season with 2 more wins, I'll give my verdict at the end of next season.

Deserves another year of our support if we get those 2 wins.

 

[Leo]

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Also, once and for all, what the hell are these agree disagree things for, in one sense it feels like rep, but I think I only gave out two neg reps ever, wheras I dish out a dozen disagrees a day. Surely they're just for disagreeing with a post?

Also, while we're at it, I've noticed that beneath my name it says I'm a "well known member", leaving aside the chance it might be euphemism for something else, what does it mean?

Oh and

You've done it to me twice today you ****!!

 

[TheGreenLily]

Nope, we should have 3rd spot sealed. Regardless of what the England situation was there is no excuse for poor tactics, loaning out any kind backup we had during the January window and all the other things that he has done. The England speculation was only one of many problems that cost us 3rd place.

Harry has to go in my books and a new manager installed and just because we have beaten two relegation battling teams, doesn't cover the cracks, mask the deficiencies or hide the humiliation he has helped (in a major way) put Spurs through over the past 2 months.

And I can't believe, that since we have got a our strongest starting 11 back almost were the team picks itself, many people people are going on a Harry love fest, I dontt want a manager for when times are good, I want a manager who knows how deal with things when the times are bad and not make simple tactical errors and Harry is simply not that man.

 

[sloth]

You've done it to me twice today you ****!!

 

[Misfit]

We've looked a different team for the last two games. Just look much more relaxed/confident/whatever the word is I'm searching for.

We can find excuses for these barren spells we keep having but ultimately they need stopping. 2 or 3 indifferent games - we can cope with that. We can play delightful stuff - near our potential - a lot of the time under H but equally just be flat and devoid of ideas.

Please Harry, whatever it is, get this lot to play to their potential, or near it, for even 60% of the season, without the hideosu barren spells and you will be a frigging legend because we'll be challenging for trophies consistently.

If that can't happen then the potential of this squad will be ultimately squandered and that would be heart-breaking. Typical Spurs but heart-breaking nonetheless. Whatever happens, that cannot be allowed to happen. Whatever changes are required.

 

[Spursidol]

Two wins against Blackburn and Bolton have not really changed the position and I suspect that obtaining 3rd or 4th and CL football will not either.

The reason is that Harry's secrets have been laid bare over this season. He has done well with the best squad of players Spurs have had for 30 - 50 years but also he has big deficiences in his management

Levy is pragmatic (sacking Harry and his coaching team may cost £5m-£10m) and will have a chat with Harry in the next couple of weeks to say that Harry needs to acceot some changes to overcome Harry's shortcomings including :

• a Director of Football to overseee the identification of targets and siging of players (with Harry's input..but DoF will have the remit to identify young talented players and relative unknowns eg Berbatov lookalikes with fewer 30 year olds), and
• a Sporting Director to have input on coaching strategy (eg set pieces, standard tactics, squad rotation etc) and improving sporting medical isssues

End of discussion - unless Harry chooses to resign.

Longer explanation in my previous post below

Tricky question to call.

Has Harry done well or exceeeded expectation ?

Frank Arnessen as DoF brought in about 35 new players in a total overhaul of Spurs and Martin Jol took on the role of coaching them to 5th place 2 seasons running, with the squad was improved in the second season. The squad then had a lot of money spent on it when Ramos came in, but results started to deteriorate and he was sacked. When Harry came in the squad was better than Jol started with, but required a bit of an overhaul which Harry duely supplied.

With that background, has Harry really exceeded expectation ? In his first season he did pull Spurs back up to 7th, which given where we were was good, but probably not unreasonable given the quality of the squad. Then we got into CL via a 4th position but last season there was a drop off around March in results which meant we finished 5th and outside CL. This season we were going well in 3rd, and we all know what happened next - we just do not know the final position we will finish in.

So answering the question 'has Harry exceeded expectation ?' I think the reply has to be that if Jol could get his squad to 5th twice then Harry has probably not exceeded expectation in the Premiership with a much better squad. I am not denying he has done reasonably well - but questions would have been asked if he had finished 5th twice after coming 7th rather than 4th and then 5th. IMO some people are overestimating Harry's achievements by remebering that when he took over we had 2 points from 6 games and not remembering the two 5th places.

We have nothing to compare with getting as far as we did in the CL - and incidentally neither did Harry : he had no experience of europe so I am inclined to think it was the squad which pulled us through rather than any major input from Harry.

So overall keeping Harry is not esssential - although it may be less risky than a change.

Where do we go from here ?

1 Stick with Harry
- If Harry stay for a year or more we need a Director of Football to chose sensible targets. We cannot continue to buy in 'triffic leaders with premiership experience' (who incidentally come with a free bus pass for over 65's). We need that person to find younger players like a new Berbatov, Dawson, Lennon etc. as well as find some experienced players
- We need Harry to agree what he can and cannot say to the media. Unfortunately whilst Harry thinks he is great at it and the media love him - reality is that he is a disaster at it through lack of training.
- We need a better coaching and training plan dealing with set pieces (offensively and defensively), agree what tactics we will be playing (to shape the squad we have for the system), coaching standard formations so that player rotatiion (ie one or two players rather than the whole team) can happen in matches.
- We need to bring in modern methods of dealing with footballers fitness, measuring that etc. We cannot rely upon technology illiterate people to do that. In turn that should help avoid the end of season dip Spurs have suffered in the last 2 seasons due to 'tiredness'
- etc

IMO Harry has taken us as far as he can and the above changes may make him move on - and if so he goes with our thanks, but if he stays it needs to be on a basis which takes Spurs forward.

2 Change manager

Its been done to death. Its unlikely that Mourinio, Ancellotti etc would join. The likelihood is Moyes, Rogers etc.

It is certainly a risk, especially with the relatively untried Rogers/Martinez - but an experienced DoF alongside would reduce that risk a lot. The new coach should be familiar with more modern coaching and fitness issues (see above)

IMO Levy and Redknapp have a choice of working together (but on terms which take Spurs forward) or changing managers. I do not think it is a clear cut decision.

 

[Dharmabum]

When Walker said he's never practiced free-kicks after that fabulous free kick goal vs Blackburn....well that says a LOT about Harry and his well errr ....training methods...or lack of them

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Hahahahah yeah you're right! Hahaha!

Right back who doesn't ever take free kicks doesn't practice binning them from 30 yards. Shit training methods.

I'll bet we find out next that not all of the squad practice the Crossbar Challenge, useless methods.

That honestly made me chuckle a bit that.

 

[Dharmabum]

Hahahahah yeah you're right! Hahaha!

Right back who doesn't ever take free kicks doesn't practice binning them from 30 yards. Shit training methods.

I'll bet we find out next that not all of the squad practice the Crossbar Challenge, useless methods.

That honestly made me chuckle a bit that.

I don't even practice free-kicks! Walker's surprise after Spurs stunner

By Sportsmail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 14:57 GMT, 30 April 2012 | UPDATED: 14:57 GMT, 30 April 2012
Tottenham defender Kyle Walker revealed he does not practice set-pieces following his superb free-kick in his side's 2-0 win over Blackburn in the Barclays Premier League.
Harry Redknapp's side dominated the game but were only 1-0 ahead when Rovers midfielder David Dunn brought down Aaron Lennon with 74 minutes gone.
Walker, who was named PFA Young Player of the Year last weekend, took the resulting free-kick, with a stunning finish the outcome.
'I don't practice free-kicks, but I just felt it was right,' Walker told the club's official website.
'Rafa (Rafael van der Vaart) placed the ball down and I said 'Can I have it?' and he said 'No chance'. But then he said I could have it and that was that.
'As soon as I left my foot, I thought 'It's got a chance' but you never know until it hits the net. You just get that feeling and luckily it went in.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2137387/Kyle-Walker-reveals-doesnt-practice-free-kicks.html#ixzz1tnf8vrfp

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't even practice free-kicks! Walker's surprise after Spurs stunner

By Sportsmail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 14:57 GMT, 30 April 2012 | UPDATED: 14:57 GMT, 30 April 2012
Tottenham defender Kyle Walker revealed he does not practice set-pieces following his superb free-kick in his side's 2-0 win over Blackburn in the Barclays Premier League.
Harry Redknapp's side dominated the game but were only 1-0 ahead when Rovers midfielder David Dunn brought down Aaron Lennon with 74 minutes gone.
Walker, who was named PFA Young Player of the Year last weekend, took the resulting free-kick, with a stunning finish the outcome.
'I don't practice free-kicks, but I just felt it was right,' Walker told the club's official website.
'Rafa (Rafael van der Vaart) placed the ball down and I said 'Can I have it?' and he said 'No chance'. But then he said I could have it and that was that.
'As soon as I left my foot, I thought 'It's got a chance' but you never know until it hits the net. You just get that feeling and luckily it went in.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2137387/Kyle-Walker-reveals-doesnt-practice-free-kicks.html#ixzz1tnf8vrfp

I think......you've missed the point of what I was saying.

Lost in translation. I was agreeing with you. But it has nothing to do with shit training methods that a right back that has never taken a free kick from 30 yards before doesn't practice them in training.

 

[Dharmabum]

I think......you've missed the point of what I was saying.

Lost in translation. I was agreeing with you. But it has nothing to do with shit training methods that a right back that has never taken a free kick from 30 yards before doesn't practice them in training.

Most top teams (maybe Spurs being the only exception), when appointing free kick takers ask them to practice taking them - not just as an individual but also with his team mates; fex. "he" will indicate to team-mates which corner he'll aim at in case of a return from the goalies etc etc. Apparently that's something Harry's never thought of.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Most top teams (maybe Spurs being the only exception), when appointing free kick takers ask them to practice taking them - not just as an individual but also with his team mates; fex. "he" will indicate to team-mates which corner he'll aim at in case of a return from the goalies etc etc. Apparently that's something Harry's never thought of.

So, as Walker was not an appointed free-kick taker he doesn't need to practice them? VdV/Assou-Ekotto/Kaboul have obviously done some work on them, although I'm sure Kaboul's thunderbolts were probably better in training than they have been in a match.

As Walker said, he doesn't practice them, he just asked 'can I have it?'

Still no correlation between that and training methods I'm afraid, sorry to rain on your pick a hole in Redknapp parade.