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JimmyG2

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Before the Stoke game

Firstly let me start by saying that I do not think that we will be relegated. Let me say it again to avoid any misunderstanding. I do not think that we will be relegated. Again? No,I think that's clear.

However we might be and we are certainly in for a scrap in the bottom half of the league whatever we may achieve in the cups. I am eternally optimistic but cannot deny that results and some performances have not been of the highest order. We may get drawn into a 'relegation dogfight' as the tabloids love to say, in fact they already are. However, for a dog fight you need more than one dog and at the moment we have the ring to ourselves.

Nobody is too good to go down but in my opinion we have too much quality in the squad to perform at this level for much longer. But there are other factors at work: confidence and luck are important; so are the improvements in other teams and the determination of the newly promoted teams. All this could work against an immediate and sustained revival.

But luck and confidence could change at any time, perhaps today against Stoke. A lucky goal, or a dodgy refereeing decision in our favour could be crucial in putting three points on the board and giving us something to build on.

Obviously it could go the other way but in general we have played better than our points tally suggests, against Hull for example. Nobody has beaten us by more than one goal and luck on the whole has not shone its warming rays upon us. And we have still got 30 games to go.


After the Stoke game.

Well it all went wrong at Stoke, but we have no-one to blame but ourselves. Bale was sent off for a clumsy last ditch tackle that followed from his failure to control the ball and Stoke were one up and we were a man down.

We then played our best 25mins of the season, Bent scored through the legs of the keeper, again, and Lady Luck ignored the fact that he was offside. Modric showed some control in midfield and Lennon again looked dangerous but we couldn't get the second goal.

The second half was a catalogue of errors with little continuous play which suited Stoke who played better than we did in every measurable way.

Corluka was stretchered off to be briefly replaced by Dawson who made an unnecessary lunging tackle and though he got the ball followed through to the man and should know better. Woodgate conceded a second penalty, which hit both posts and the follow up by Delap hit the bar, and there were 11 minutes of injury time.

Stoke's winning goal came from a good cross along the edge of the six yard box that eluded everyone except Delap at the far post. In truth they could have gone further ahead and not just from the penalty. Pavlyuchenko came on to demonstrate that he can't play with Bent and the game fizzled out.

They had more chances and corners than us. We were dire at set pieces and Bentley rightly subbed.

Now where do we go? I began this piece reflecting on relegation. I'm going to have to say it again I'm afraid 'I do not think we will get relegated'.

Nor do I think that this is a moral judgement on our treatment of Martin Jol, although the fact that he is top of the league with Hamburg may give some people pause for thought on this. Obviously the Gods would not have let us win the Carling Cup if they had it in mind to punish us.

It might be a judgement on the posturing of Levy and our failure to replace Keane and Berbatov. It might be just reward for our wholesale clearance of players and trying to bring in too many new faces at once. Put simply, we are not playing well as a team and too many individuals are not performing at their expected level.

Ramos doesn't know what's hit him and keeps looking at the cards he's been dealt like a poker player on a bad streak. He's hinting that the dealer is crooked and that the deck is stacked against him. He's waiting for a change of cards but the Head Croupier may have him ejected from the casino before then as he's nearly run out of chips and his lines of credit, from a foreign bank, are doubtful.

I do not expect relegation but nor do I fear it. Whatever division we are in we will still be Tottenham Hotspur a great club with a fine history and a tradition to be viewed with awe and which most clubs would die for.

We have been relegated before, in 1976/77 under Keith Burkinshaw, who remained in post and took us straight back. Ardiles and Villa were recruited soon after and the next 5/6 years were some of the most exciting in our history. Ashes and Phoenixes and all that.

So despair not, support the team on the pitch, moan on the fan sites and look forward to better days. Ignore anyone at work, or in the pub who looks like an Arsenal or West Ham fan, don't read the papers and don't carry a gun.Nobody is safe ,not even yourself, in your current mood.


Did I mention that I don't think we will be relegated?
 

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We have been relegated before, in 1976/77 under Keith Burkinshaw, who remained in post and took us straight back.

Actually we just scraped back on goal difference :roll:

29-Apr-78 Division 2 Southampton (A) 0 - 0

DIVISION 2 1977/78

It took ages for my nails to grow back


And it's even harder to return nowadays :sad:
 

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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Nothing you said filled me with any confidence. Your heart is ruling your head.

We are in serious poo and If we do get into a dog fight we will be relegated because we have far too many lovers and very few fighters
 

Rizza

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Oct 5, 2005
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Whilst i still give Ramos my backing, i've just been listening to Stan Collymore on Talk Sport who said that Roy Keane would come running if Spurs were to offer him the manager's job. I have to admit that Keane at the Lane sounds very tempting...
 

nav007_2000

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Keane would kick the shit out of any player not performing. Hopefully Jenas woud be first
 

spud

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.......i've just been listening to Stan Collymore on Talk Sport who said that Roy Keane would come running if Spurs were to offer him the manager's job.

Since when has woman-beater Collymore been a reliable source of information? And what makes you think that Keane would be our saviour? A thug on the pitch with 5 minutes managerial experience, who spent a fortune on players that (Malbranque excepted) most Spurs fans would have been happy to give away.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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I didn't think we'd go down in the seventies either.

5 league wins in a calendar year was a stat I heard yesterday. 8 games gone, only one of which was against a top four side, leaving 30 games to get 11 to 13 wins and a handful of draws. The signs don't look good.

Did I mention I didn't think we'd get relegated the year we went down?
 

carlosspurs

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Good article, I agree with most of it. I think we will bounce back sooner rather than later. I still believe in Ramos, he has been "done up" with sale of Keane and Berb with inadequate replaements brought in. You do NOT win back to back Uefa cups and become bad at your job after winning Spurs a cup in your first season.
I remember seeing lots of people on various sites calling for Jols head when it went bad, many of these same fans are wanting Jol back.. De ja vu with Ramos now. We will pull through this, I think any demo in the ground this Sunday would be a Huge mistake, we need to get behind the team.
And Yes I think we will beat Bolton.
COYS!
 

SouthLondonSpur

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May 28, 2004
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We have been relegated before, in 1976/77 under Keith Burkinshaw, who remained in post and took us straight back. Ardiles and Villa were recruited soon after and the next 5/6 years were some of the most exciting in our history. Ashes and Phoenixes and all that.

This is exactly the thing which i have been thinking of late. In fact its the only solice of comfort I am allowing myself. I know its harder to return immediately these days, especially if we lose key players who want to stay in the Prem.

I am so dissapointed in the teams performances. I cant believe its the same team as pre-season, strikers aside the remainder of the team should be gelling.

You make you own luck and we could be heading for a fall, followed by a monumentous leap.....
 

JuanRebelde

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Actually we just scraped back on goal difference :roll:

29-Apr-78 Division 2 Southampton (A) 0 - 0

DIVISION 2 1977/78

It took ages for my nails to grow back


And it's even harder to return nowadays :sad:



I was there that day - couldn't get out of the ground for about two hours after as they went up as well. Still remember that Peter Taylor should have had a penalty that day. The goal difference was the 9 we put past Bristol Rovers I think which meant Brighton fell short.

I reckon it's a bit unfair to blame Burkinshaw for the relegation as it was really Terry Neals team that Burkinshaw was stuck with after neal defected across the road.
 

Paxtonite

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Before the Stoke game

Firstly let me start by saying that I do not think that we will be relegated. Let me say it again to avoid any misunderstanding. I do not think that we will be relegated. Again? No,I think that's clear.

However we might be and we are certainly in for a scrap in the bottom half of the league whatever we may achieve in the cups. I am eternally optimistic but cannot deny that results and some performances have not been of the highest order. We may get drawn into a 'relegation dogfight' as the tabloids love to say, in fact they already are. However, for a dog fight you need more than one dog and at the moment we have the ring to ourselves.

Nobody is too good to go down but in my opinion we have too much quality in the squad to perform at this level for much longer. But there are other factors at work: confidence and luck are important; so are the improvements in other teams and the determination of the newly promoted teams. All this could work against an immediate and sustained revival.

But luck and confidence could change at any time, perhaps today against Stoke. A lucky goal, or a dodgy refereeing decision in our favour could be crucial in putting three points on the board and giving us something to build on.

Obviously it could go the other way but in general we have played better than our points tally suggests, against Hull for example. Nobody has beaten us by more than one goal and luck on the whole has not shone its warming rays upon us. And we have still got 30 games to go.


After the Stoke game.

Well it all went wrong at Stoke, but we have no-one to blame but ourselves. Bale was sent off for a clumsy last ditch tackle that followed from his failure to control the ball and Stoke were one up and we were a man down.

We then played our best 25mins of the season, Bent scored through the legs of the keeper, again, and Lady Luck ignored the fact that he was offside. Modric showed some control in midfield and Lennon again looked dangerous but we couldn't get the second goal.

The second half was a catalogue of errors with little continuous play which suited Stoke who played better than we did in every measurable way.

Corluka was stretchered off to be briefly replaced by Dawson who made an unnecessary lunging tackle and though he got the ball followed through to the man and should know better. Woodgate conceded a second penalty, which hit both posts and the follow up by Delap hit the bar, and there were 11 minutes of injury time.

Stoke's winning goal came from a good cross along the edge of the six yard box that eluded everyone except Delap at the far post. In truth they could have gone further ahead and not just from the penalty. Pavlyuchenko came on to demonstrate that he can't play with Bent and the game fizzled out.

They had more chances and corners than us. We were dire at set pieces and Bentley rightly subbed.

Now where do we go? I began this piece reflecting on relegation. I'm going to have to say it again I'm afraid 'I do not think we will get relegated'.

Nor do I think that this is a moral judgement on our treatment of Martin Jol, although the fact that he is top of the league with Hamburg may give some people pause for thought on this. Obviously the Gods would not have let us win the Carling Cup if they had it in mind to punish us.

It might be a judgement on the posturing of Levy and our failure to replace Keane and Berbatov. It might be just reward for our wholesale clearance of players and trying to bring in too many new faces at once. Put simply, we are not playing well as a team and too many individuals are not performing at their expected level.

Ramos doesn't know what's hit him and keeps looking at the cards he's been dealt like a poker player on a bad streak. He's hinting that the dealer is crooked and that the deck is stacked against him. He's waiting for a change of cards but the Head Croupier may have him ejected from the casino before then as he's nearly run out of chips and his lines of credit, from a foreign bank, are doubtful.

I do not expect relegation but nor do I fear it. Whatever division we are in we will still be Tottenham Hotspur a great club with a fine history and a tradition to be viewed with awe and which most clubs would die for.

We have been relegated before, in 1976/77 under Keith Burkinshaw, who remained in post and took us straight back. Ardiles and Villa were recruited soon after and the next 5/6 years were some of the most exciting in our history. Ashes and Phoenixes and all that.

So despair not, support the team on the pitch, moan on the fan sites and look forward to better days. Ignore anyone at work, or in the pub who looks like an Arsenal or West Ham fan, don't read the papers and don't carry a gun.Nobody is safe ,not even yourself, in your current mood.


Did I mention that I don't think we will be relegated?

There is nothing in this article that offers any insight or opinion other than a brief commentary of the game on Sunday and your repeated belief that we will not be relegated.

Opinions need a foundation and should be backed up with reasoned thought. Sorry but this article does nothing for me.

:shrug:
 

Jonesey

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Apr 20, 2004
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Well said. We are without a doubt, performance-wise, the worst team in the Premier League.

Ramos and his team selections is a joke and unless we get rid of him and start playing 4-4-2 we are not going to fill the team with any confidence and we cannot grind out any wins.

You can't grind out a win playing 4-5-1 with so many under-performing midfielders.
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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There is nothing in this article that offers any insight or opinion other than a brief commentary of the game on Sunday and your repeated belief that we will not be relegated.

Opinions need a foundation and should be backed up with reasoned thought. Sorry but this article does nothing for me.

:shrug:
Obvously I accept your comments (You can't please all of the people etc) but you are accusing me of not doing something that I did not set out to do.
The aim of the piece is to support, encourage and entertain, all of which our battered fans sorely need.
I did in fact offer some reasons for our predicament: too many new players;the failure of individual players to perform; the failure to replace specific players;the inability of the manager to get to grips with the situation; the absence of any luck so far and the resulting lack of confidence in the team from all these factors
I also suggested that a squad of this quality though not too good to go down won't perform at this level for ever and that our luck might change in the next game and our confidence surge as a result.
I tried to illuminate some of these points through a quick description of the game. Our luck did indeed change but was overwhelmed by a catalogue of individual errors.We also played nearly half an hour of decent football which is important for the revival which I believe will come.
Our situation is bad but not yet beyond being repair so I was also trying to rally the troops and to focus everyone's attention on supporting the club whether we stay in the Premiership or not. And to point out that there is life after relegation.
I've survived it once and will do again if I have to.
 

BillyWhizz

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Nov 16, 2006
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Maybe relegation could help, I know just because it happened 30 odd years ago doesn't mean it would now because todays football climate is a lot different but it seemed to change the mentality of everyone associated with the club after the barren early/late 70's when we thought we should be winning things and were too good to be relegated. going down and coming up again lowered expectation and allowed time for things to be corrected. Theres a lot of fans who won't allow the team the time to build and right the wrongs (and a lot who would) but relegation leaves no choice. Going down is risky sure but we're not broke like Leeds were.

The Spurs I fell in love with hasn't been the same since Scholar took over, and from there the club hasn't been right and has stumbled along like a drunk proclaiming they will do this and do that but ultimately fall flat on there face and get laughed at.

We were one of the 'big 5' who were part of starting the Premier League and we missed a trick big time because from there we went backwards under Sugar whilst others took advantage and eventually we now have a big 4 with Spurs miles behind.

I just wonder sometimes that getting relegated might help by completely changing the fabric of the club and allow more time to build rather than going for glory as quickly as possible. There appear to be a lot of cracks from top to bottom, sometimes it needs knocking down to build it up again.
But then I also wonder if this season is simply making me loose my marbles!
 

spurdownunder

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I just wonder sometimes that getting relegated might help by completely changing the fabric of the club and allow more time to build rather than going for glory as quickly as possible. There appear to be a lot of cracks from top to bottom, sometimes it needs knocking down to build it up again.
But then I also wonder if this season is simply making me loose my marbles!

Relegation will bend us over and give us a good rogering.

It will help nobody.
 

MrGreaves

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May 4, 2004
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Relegation will bend us over and give us a good rogering.

It will help nobody.


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I say Spurdownunder,

Surely a rogering would be a bit more enjoyable than being bottom of the league? :eek:mg: (Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink!)

Come on you Spurs ~ A little more faith and we will do it!!
 

BillyWhizz

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Nov 16, 2006
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Relegation will bend us over and give us a good rogering.

It will help nobody.

Yep maybe but we're not Leeds, Man City or Sheff Wed they practically lubed themselves up, Spurs are generally a well run and well off club it could be handled especially with the parachute payments that are now dished out.

At the time Blackburn and West Ham were well run clubs and they came back it doesn't have to be that way.

OK no more talk of relegation now I've said my bit and to be honest if that day did come I'd be distraught.
 
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