If Palacios plays against Sunderland and gets booked during the game...

[sonicdreams]

Hmm I was thinking if we play Palacios against Sunderland, and he picks up a booking in the match, that means he will miss 2 games - the FA Cup semi-final and the derby against the Scums. While we could do without him for the semi, we definitely need him for the derby.

So it might actually be better that a yellow-carded Palacios gets himself sent off for a 2nd yellow offence in stoppage time of the game so that he misses only the semi-final (he only serves the 1 game red card suspension for double-bookings and will have 9 yellow cards and 1 red card). As the 10 yellow card = 2 match suspension ruling would not be in effect by the time we play the Scums, we have actually saved a 1 match suspension in this respect.

However, he must be careful not to get a straight red instead of a double-booking as it will mean he needs to serve a 3 match suspension (1 match for the red card + another 2 matches for reaching 10 yellows). Another downside is that if he gets another red card again this season, he has to serve an extra match of suspension on top of the usual suspension, though if you think about this case, the net effect is that the 1 match suspension he saved against the Scums gets transferred to another match against a possibly weaker team.

And if we're chasing a goal in injury time, it might not make much sense for him to get a red card to disrupt our play. So this strategy possibly works best when we're winning and Palacios happens to pick up a yellow card in the Sunderland game. Of course, it's best that Palacios doesn't pick up a booking if Harry actually plays him at all.

 

[Yiddo1982]

Good research, but I can't help we'd get punished further...

 

[Yiddo1982]

I've thought about it, I'd never want one of our players to get himself sent off

 

[Supersi32]

The thought then would be that Palacios would be suspended for 3 games, one for the red card and another two for accumlating 10 yellows....(i.e. he already has 9 yellows, so that would be +2 in order to get sent off on top of the automatic ban for the red, if you see what I mean) :shrug:

 

[chrissivad]

strangely genius :think:

Athough i echo the statement that i never want one of our players to get them self sent off, but this might be an option to take one for the team.

Just hoping he doesn't get booked in the first place

 

[sonicdreams]

The thought then would be that Palacios would be suspended for 3 games, one for the red card and another two for accumlating 10 yellows....

No if u get 2 yellow cards in 1 game, it gets converted to a red card.

If u get 1 yellow card and a straight red not due to accumulating 2 yellow cards, then it is counted separately as 1 yellow and 1 red (this is quite rare though)

 

[joey.leone]

I thought it was settled a little while back in another topic that he will only get a 1 game ban for the 10th yellow, due to the time when he has picked up his bookings. Dont quote me on that, I may have been drunk or dreamt it.

 

[chrissivad]

I thought it was settled a little while back in another topic that he will only get a 1 game ban for the 10th yellow, due to the time when he has picked up his bookings. Dont quote me on that, I may have been drunk or dreamt it.

Alot of people said/thought this, but they are wrong.

 

[StartingPrice]

I am sure I recently heard some journo types discussing it and the conclusion was that if he gets through until after the Sunderland game without a booking, there will be a new slate-wiping session, and he would be in the clear.

I could be delusional, however.

 

[joey.leone]

Alot of people said/thought this, but they are wrong.

Ahh my bad. Thats a shame, I will be watching through my fingers everytime Wilson goes near a Sunderland player at the weekend!

 

[chrissivad]

I am sure I recently heard some journo types discussing it and the conclusion was that if he gets through until after the Sunderland game without a booking, there will be a new slate-wiping session, and he would be in the clear.

I could be delusional, however.

He will need to get through the Portsmouth game in the FA Cup as well.
The slate gets wiped after the second Sunday of April, the day we play Portsmouth.

After that game if he picks up his 10th booking he wont be suspended.

 

[StartingPrice]

He will need to get through the Portsmouth game in the FA Cup as well.
The slate gets wiped after the second Sunday of April, the day we play Portsmouth.

After that game if he picks up his 10th booking he wont be suspended.

:up:

I am certain they said the 1st weekend, but that must have been their bad:grin:

Anyway, that would still put him in the clear for the Sky 3 games, right? If so, then if he can get through the Mackems game Aitch should seriously consider resting him for the semi - especially if Jenas and THudd are fit, as they should be able to cover that one.

 

[Supersi32]

:up:

I am certain they said the 1st weekend, but that must have been their bad:grin:

Anyway, that would still put him in the clear for the Sky 3 games, right? If so, then if he can get through the Mackems game Aitch should seriously consider resting him for the semi - especially if Jenas and THudd are fit, as they should be able to cover that one.

Isn`t Palacios carrying a groin injury which may force him out of the semi anyway....

 

[Real_madyidd]

He will play the semi. Since we have no other players to go in the centre we need him in teh semi.

 

[chrissivad]

we could go with Hudd and Modric if we are to rest him, and have him on the bench again.

 

[StanSpur]

I have a feeling he will be on the bench again. To be honest i feel we have enough to win at Sunderland without him and we will need him against Pompy as Kaboul will be unavailable so central midfield would be Hudd and Modric with no backup!!!

We have to have faith in out squad, we can win without wilson and i think that is what we will do on Saturday. Then there should be no need for him to get booked against portsmouth as they shouldn't put up too much of a fight. After that the 10 yellow rule goes away and no need to worry. But rest him for Sunderland and play him at Wembley and deal with whatever consequences.

 

[TheSnake29]

Hmm I was thinking if we play Palacios against Sunderland, and he picks up a booking in the match, that means he will miss 2 games - the FA Cup semi-final and the derby against the Scums. While we could do without him for the semi, we definitely need him for the derby.

So it might actually be better that a yellow-carded Palacios gets himself sent off for a 2nd yellow offence in stoppage time of the game so that he misses only the semi-final (he only serves the 1 game red card suspension for double-bookings and will have 9 yellow cards and 1 red card). As the 10 yellow card = 2 match suspension ruling would not be in effect by the time we play the Scums, we have actually saved a 1 match suspension in this respect.

However, he must be careful not to get a straight red instead of a double-booking as it will mean he needs to serve a 3 match suspension (1 match for the red card + another 2 matches for reaching 10 yellows). Another downside is that if he gets another red card again this season, he has to serve an extra match of suspension on top of the usual suspension, though if you think about this case, the net effect is that the 1 match suspension he saved against the Scums gets transferred to another match against a possibly weaker team.

And if we're chasing a goal in injury time, it might not make much sense for him to get a red card to disrupt our play. So this strategy possibly works best when we're winning and Palacios happens to pick up a yellow card in the Sunderland game. Of course, it's best that Palacios doesn't pick up a booking if Harry actually plays him at all.

I wouldn't worry yourself mate. Kaboulleh will start against Sunderland for sure and Palacios won't be risked ahead of him, Modric and Hudd.

He will play the semi. Since we have no other players to go in the centre we need him in teh semi.

You sure mate? Modric, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Gudjohnsen, Livermore. He might play the semi but I'd bet on him coming on from the bench if needed. There's lots of options and Portsmouth are rancid.

 

[Kendall]

Pav and JD should be fit by the semi if not before.

Bentley Huddlestone Gudjohnsen Modric

Pavlyuchenko Defoe​

Nice, nice.

 

[Scrubin]

Kaboul did the job against stoke so why not against sunderland, we can get through the next two games without wilson, letting him fully recover from his injury, and he'll be fresh for the scum. Sweet.

 

[Spurger King]

I think we should field our strongest team possible for the semi-final. We have a chance of getting to the FA cup final, and shouldn't mess about.

I understand we have a very real chance of finishing in the top 4, and for many this is the priority, but for me we cannot afford to treat the Portsmouth match as a given. If Palacios is fit he should start.