If you had to sell one CM...

[SteveH]

I would hope that Poch would have some say in the matter!

A+ for consistency young Muller's

Edit Sandro sadly looks fav for the elbow on fitness grounds.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I would hope that Poch would have some say in the matter!

Hope is the operative word!

Like I said in terms of this CM situation I'd like us to wait until Poch has had a couple of weeks preseason with them all before shifting one, only problem would be if these offers that come in from Italy are now or never deals.

 

[mill]

Apologies if I've mentioned it already in this thread, because I've posted it in another, but in terms of minutes on the pitch Sandro's had just a season's worth of games in the last three. That really isn't encouraging. Spurs9 may be correct in attributing that to poor coaching, but I don't believe that's the only explanation. The idea of his getting back to full fitness and having a run of games looks like wishful thinking.

I agree the injury concerns are worrying but I do believe the point I made is correct, admittedly it's ifs and buts but players do sometimes get over their injury problems.

If david luiz is a £50m player then so is a fully fit sandro if not more

 

[SpurSince57]

I'd sell Paulinho. He loses the ball far more than the other 3 and rarely tackles. I was very disappointed with him this season because he just didn't seem to be trying half the time. Decent goal threat notwithstanding there are better options in that role.

He put in 65 last season, equal most with Dembélé, at an 80% success rate.

 

[Ed Cohen]

I would not consider selling any of that quartet - Sandro / Capoue competing for the holding / destructive midfield role with Paulinho / Dembele competing for the box-to-box type role.

That quartet is a sound central midfield with 2 decent players competing for each central midfield spot. Unless there is the option to buy a player who is a significant improvement over Sandro/Capoue as DM or over Paulinho/Dembele as a box-to-box player we should not be selling at all. We should only be moving any of those four on if a replacement player becomes available that would be a clear improvement over what we already have who would waltz into our 1st eleven.

 

[Ed Cohen]

I would not consider selling any of that quartet - Sandro / Capoue competing for the holding / destructive midfield role with Paulinho / Dembele competing for the box-to-box type role.

That quartet is a sound central midfield with 2 decent players competing for each central midfield spot. Unless there is the option to buy a player who is a significant improvement over Sandro/Capoue as DM or over Paulinho/Dembele as a box-to-box player we should not be selling at all. We should only be moving any of those four on if a replacement player becomes available that would be a clear improvement over what we already have who would waltz into our 1st eleven.

We should NOT fall into the same trap as last summer - buying lots of average players that were no real improvement over what we already had in those areas. I want to see us making 1 or two marquee signings where there is no doubt that the player coming in is a clear step up in quality over the existing options in that position - a player that is ready to step into the first team, hit the ground running without any question as to whether he offers an improvement to the side.

This summer, spread our money on fewer players - just buy ONE £40m player in a position we actually need, not four £10m players that don't offer a clear step up from the players we already have on the books.

 

[fatpiranha]

He put in 65 last season, equal most with Dembélé, at an 80% success rate.

Paulinho played 550 minutes more than Dembele. His high success rate indicates he only goes for the easy tackles & while Dembele rarely loses possession Paulinho gives it away far too frequently. You could argue that this is because he tries more ambitious passes but even if that is true we have far better players to fulfill that role.

Given that Dembele played with an injury for most of last season and we would likely get more money for Paulinho if somebody has to go I think it should be Little Paul. I really haven't forgiven him for the abject way he bottled the Downing free kick and I don't think his heart is in it for Spurs.

 

[SpurSince57]

Paulinho played 550 minutes more than Dembele. His high success rate indicates he only goes for the easy tackles & while Dembele rarely loses possession Paulinho gives it away far too frequently. You could argue that this is because he tries more ambitious passes but even if that is true we have far better players to fulfill that role.

Given that Dembele played with an injury for most of last season and we would likely get more money for Paulinho if somebody has to go I think it should be Little Paul. I really haven't forgiven him for the abject way he bottled the Downing free kick and I don't think his heart is in it for Spurs.

All of this is true, but it's still incorrect to say that he rarely tackles. He's an upgrade on Jenas in that respect.

 

[double0]

I would like to see Dembele defensive stats up aganist Sandros. I would be intrigued to know if the stats are close.

overall I think Dembele brings more to the fight

 

[mill]

I would like to see Dembele defensive stats up aganist Sandros. I would be intrigued to know if the stats are close.

overall I think Dembele brings more to the fight

Ah stats, the true indication of a players worth

 

[SpurSince57]

Ah stats, the true indication of a players worth

In this case they would be meaningless, given that Dembélé's had far more time on the pitch than Sandro.

 

[double0]

Ah stats, the true indication of a players worth

I know stats aint the only messure of a players worth though it does give clear indications of a players productivity and will perhaps force people to view a player differently. I feel Dembele has been given a rough deal whereas Sandro is lorded maybe because of his eccentric nature off the field.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I went against the masses and said Paulinho.
I know he scores goals and is likely to improve after his first season but I just feel he has a tendency to vanish when we need someone to make a stand.
I've always seen Lampard in the same way.
For me, a CM either needs to be a playmaker, with silky skills, or someone who will tackle and graft - what BC calls a busy ####. And I see Paulinho as neither of these.

 

[faze_coys]

1. Capoue
2. Paulinho
3. Dembele
4. Sandro

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

1. Capoue
2. Paulinho
3. Dembele
4. Sandro

How you rate them or the order in which you'd let them go?

 

[Coyboy]

How you rate them or the order in which you'd let them go?

If it's the former, I do think Capoue has been massively overrated on this forum. He came in, looked very good and then sadly he got a very bad injury at Arsenal. Since then he has looked ordinary.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

If it's the former, I do think Capoue has been massively overrated on this forum. He came in, looked very good and then sadly he got a very bad injury at Arsenal. Since then he has looked ordinary.

True, lots of players look worse after injuries. I think that injury and looking ordinary afterwards could be levelled at Sandro and Dembele too. They all have qualities and we'd be a much tougher prospect if we had Sandro, Dembele and Capoue all fully fit and pushing each other on.

 

[Coyboy]

True, lots of players look worse after injuries. I think that injury and looking ordinary afterwards could be levelled at Sandro and Dembele too. They all have qualities and we'd be a much tougher prospect if we had Sandro, Dembele and Capoue all fully fit and pushing each other on.

Yes but I think with Sandro, he still has shown glimpses of his old self this season and he obviously has his record of the last two or three years. Capoue, as yet, has just a few good performances at the beginning of this season.

 

[SpurSince57]

I know stats aint the only messure of a players worth though it does give clear indications of a players productivity and will perhaps force people to view a player differently. I feel Dembele has been given a rough deal whereas Sandro is lorded maybe because of his eccentric nature off the field.

Well, to keep you happy, Dembélé wins a higher percentage of tackles (although last season was closer), but Sandro wins absolutely hands-down when it comes to interceptions. He also looks scarier.

 

[faze_coys]

How you rate them or the order in which you'd let them go?

Let them go, based on being 100% fit and relative partnerships in a midfield 2