I'm proud to have Pochettino

[Everlasting Seconds]

Our problems aren't so much our position in the league, for his first season 6th is fine, its the way we are playing.

I am willing to give him a chance when he gets his players in.

6th with this squad is no achievement at all. It is merely meeting the baseline of the most careful expectations. Koeman, Pardew, Pearson & even Sherwood & Hughes are managers who in fact have accomplished something noteworthy with their present teams this season. Pohcettino has merely realised the most basic level of achievements the squad could accomplish.

 

[dricha1]

6th with this squad is no achievement at all. It is merely meeting the baseline of the most careful expectations. Koeman, Pardew, & even Sherwood & Hughes are managers who in fact have accomplished something noteworthy with their present teams this season. Pohcettino has merely realised the most basic level of achievements the squad could accomplish.

The jump from 17th to 14th or 12th to 8th is a lot easier than the Jump from 8th to 5th or 5th to 4th. You could argue that we should be above Liverpool but is that really the case? They were runners-up last season.

I think, in his first season, Poch has us where we should be. The squad isn't good enough for top 4 and probably only 3 of our team would be wanted by any of the top 5 and of that 3 only Lloris would be a guaranteed starter.

 

[SteveH]

6th with this squad is no achievement at all. It is merely meeting the baseline of the most careful expectations. Koeman, Pardew, & even Sherwood & Hughes are managers who in fact have accomplished something noteworthy with their present teams this season. Pohcettino has merely realised the most basic level of achievements the squad could accomplish.

"6th with this squad is no achievement at all" I beg to differ.
Our squad is quite poor. 6th is par and i'll take that.
We will need a couple seasons to get rid of the rubbish we have bought in the last three or four seasons

Poch is about at our level considering our fiscal standing
We need to remain competitive in the EPL, get the stadium built and above all bring in some stability to the club.

We will not get into the top four or move forward without stability

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The jump from 17th to 14th or 12th to 8th is a lot easier than the Jump from 8th to 5th or 5th to 4th. You could argue that we should be above Liverpool but is that really the case? They were runners-up last season.

I think, in his first season, Poch has us where we should be. The squad isn't good enough for top 4 and probably only 3 of our team would be wanted by any of the top 5 and of that 3 only Lloris would be a guaranteed starter.

All jumps are relative. Only fools would argue that for instance Koeman hasn't achieved something beyond outstanding, after the entire staring line up was wrecked. Maybe we "shouldn't" have been 4th, but we "should" have been a whole lot closer than 10 points off. And under no circumstances is our squad to weak to not achieve better results vs. a host of clubs from the lower part of the table.

 

[felmani26]

Talk of replacing Pochettino is wide off the mark and now that there seems to be a structure behind the scenes that can be conducive for him to identify the players he would like to implement in his system then we obviously need to give this time to hopefully flourish.

That being said, I'm far from happy from what I've witnessed throughout this campaign and that's from a coaching/managerial standpoint as well as the patently obvious playing staff frailties.

Pochettino may or may not be the answer but we haven't got enough evidence to prove this either way at this current moment in time.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

"6th with this squad is no achievement at all" I beg to differ.
Our squad is quite poor. 6th is par and i'll take that.
We will need a couple seasons to get rid of the rubbish we have bought in the last three or four seasons

Poch is about at our level considering our fiscal standing
We need to remain competitive in the EPL, get the stadium built and above all bring in some stability to the club.

We will not get into the top four or move forward without stability

Being stably shit won't get us anywhere either. 6th is like waking up and thinking that if only you are able to brew a cup of coffee, the day will be quite good. Then you brew that coffee, feeling content that at least the day went as you expected.

 

[Japhet]

I thought Poch was the right man to take us forward when he joined. Having seen the way he had got Southampton playing pacey, adventurous, aggressive football, the way he had integrated youngsters into the team and the way he had got average players performing way above expectations, well, what's not to like.

However, today I'm utterly pissed off that our season has fizzled out with yet another gutless performance with no sign whatsoever that he intends to change a single thing. I'm starting to see in Poch a whole lot of the things I disliked about the previous 3 Managers.

Redknapp ran players into the ground and refused to rotate the squad. He was also clueless on subs.
AVB had us playing side to side with no cutting edge. He sidelined players who could make a valid contribution and he stuck rigidly to the same tactics come what may.
Sherwood refused to play a defensive midfielder, in spite of our defence resembling an open barn door on a windy day.

Maybe we don't have the players, but I was very much expecting to see us 'press' high up the pitch. We don't, and yet the whole ethos of his game is utterly dependant on this. And yet he hasn't made a single concession to that fact.

I sincerely hope that we can address these issues by getting some new blood in during the summer. If not we have some serious problems next year. We must be the easiest team to prepare for, and nobody can tell me that we would have been any worse over the past couple of months with Capoue, Stambouli or Dembele getting the odd run out.

 

[SteveH]

Being stably shit won't get us anywhere either. 6th is like waking up and thinking that if only you are able to brew a cup of coffee, the day will be quite good. Then you brew that coffee, feeling content that at least the day went as you expected.

6th is where your team is at ES.
The squad is a mess and the dressing room must be a disruptive place ATM. We are in need of shifting up to 12+ players this going disrupt the whole squad, example yesterday. Its going to take time to fix. Two more season IMHO.

 

[lukespurs7]

6th is where your team is at ES.
The squad is a mess and the dressing room must be a disruptive place ATM. We are in need of shifting up to 12+ players this going disrupt the whole squad, example yesterday. Its going to take time to fix. Two more season IMHO.

Agreed, unfortunately not a quick fix.

Unless we royally fuck up next year I think Poch should be judged after his full 3rd season.

 

[IGSpur]

A wrong manager is a wrong manager regardless of how many wrong decisions we already have made.

Yes but as the saying goes 'you can't please all of the people all of the time' you may deem him the wrong manager. But then I guess the last however managers we have had in the last 10 years are the wrong managers. And I'm pretty sure that the whatever manager you believe will be better than Poch will not get CL or have our players performing to his exact specifications in his first season and so another's part of the fan base will say he is the wrong manager and the cycle continues. The only way we will know if someone is the right manager is letting them have a fair crack of the whip

 

[Flashspur]

Being stably shit won't get us anywhere either. 6th is like waking up and thinking that if only you are able to brew a cup of coffee, the day will be quite good. Then you brew that coffee, feeling content that at least the day went as you expected.

An off the cuff response that doesnt really address the response from @SteveH.

I think he summed it up quite well with logic. You just complain like an old woman dude and throw these naff comments around. Doesnt help the debate. We are not going to go from where we are to Top 4 in five minutes. Seeing where we started from, its going to take a couple of seasons at least. I think Poch has done quite well with what he has to work with. I am not defending some of the poorer decisions he has made as manager but overall I cant say I am disappointed.

PS Brewed coffee is shite. Try a nice cappucino instead champ. The day will look a lot better!

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

I don't understand how it has suddenly gone from being a transitional season to him now needing 3 full seasons, now posters are saying he needs to out upto 12 players which will give him a great excuse for next season as he will need to bed in a whole new squad,

He has not done anything with the squad at hand even though he was supposed to turn shit into sunshine if you believe his fans (people trying to give him all the credit for Kane and Benteleb are reaching)

I just don't think he is a good coach, he appears to have zero motivational skill and subzero tactical nous which results in almost constant gutless performances

 

[Dean]

I thought Poch was the right man to take us forward when he joined. Having seen the way he had got Southampton playing pacey, adventurous, aggressive football, the way he had integrated youngsters into the team and the way he had got average players performing way above expectations, well, what's not to like.

However, today I'm utterly pissed off that our season has fizzled out with yet another gutless performance with no sign whatsoever that he intends to change a single thing. I'm starting to see in Poch a whole lot of the things I disliked about the previous 3 Managers.

Redknapp ran players into the ground and refused to rotate the squad. He was also clueless on subs.
AVB had us playing side to side with no cutting edge. He sidelined players who could make a valid contribution and he stuck rigidly to the same tactics come what may.
Sherwood refused to play a defensive midfielder, in spite of our defence resembling an open barn door on a windy day.

Maybe we don't have the players, but I was very much expecting to see us 'press' high up the pitch. We don't, and yet the whole ethos of his game is utterly dependant on this. And yet he hasn't made a single concession to that fact.

I sincerely hope that we can address these issues by getting some new blood in during the summer. If not we have some serious problems next year. We must be the easiest team to prepare for, and nobody can tell me that we would have been any worse over the past couple of months with Capoue, Stambouli or Dembele getting the odd run out.

Going by your initial
Paragraph, surely the issue lies in the players? Southampton played the way Poch wanted. Our players aren't quite there. But the Chelsea and Arsenal games are at least a sign that the system does work, aren't they? No-one can account for the Stoke match. If the players don't pitch up, what do you do? Sack them like Schalke?

 

[shelfboy68]

I still dont think this team he inherited is that bad and i dont think he needed to do anything drastic straight away.
But i feel he has tried to change the system too quickly without having his players on board to use his way of playing to its fullest, this along with favouring certain players at all costs to their form and abilities.
I cant see us managing to shift a lot of players due to levys ridiculous demands nor bring in pochs players unless we field a team of teenagers which just wont work as we need some leadership in there fast.
Poch strikes me as a bit like Wenger who was always unwilling to work with big names as they are more stronger minded and difficult to deal with, but youngsters provide him with oppurtunity to impose himself on them.
Whatever the summer brings and i dont expect much in the way of exciting signings to usher in a new era or much in the way of playing or performance next season.

 

[Japhet]

Going by your initial
Paragraph, surely the issue lies in the players? Southampton played the way Poch wanted. Our players aren't quite there. But the Chelsea and Arsenal games are at least a sign that the system does work, aren't they? No-one can account for the Stoke match. If the players don't pitch up, what do you do? Sack them like Schalke?

I don't doubt that some (many) of the players don't work in the system. I said in another thread that I assumed Poch was sticking by his ethos rather than alter it to fit the players available in an effort to get things moving for next season with the players who remain. However, I do have a problem with playing the same lineup week in week out, no matter how bad they are playing. I don't understand why we have players sat on the bench every week who should at least be given a chance in light of recent performances.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Fuck Poch.

Selling Naughton has derailed our season and sent it right down the shitter.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

He's too happy to get beat. I hate that about him. He comes out after and says philosophy philosophy and says he's sad for out supporters... Well give those clowns a proper rollicking then, mix it up and bring some in with a bit of bollocks. Play yedlin, stick stambouli in and let dembele play in the 10 role where he is immense. But oh no tip toe around with crap performance after crap performance and play eriksen when he is badly out of form. Play mason who can't string a pass together and won't track his man. Play vlad who is a complete shambles of a footballer and let chadli and lamela run up there own arses for 4 games on spin then give Townsend a go. All so predictable no plan b and this side resembles that of spurs old. Soft pussy centre that will win fuck all

 

[fortworthspur]

to be clear, I have no desire to fire Poch. We'd just replace him with someone else adequate and repeat the whole cycle, or worse get another Ramos. I just cant say Ive seen anything from Poch this year to suggest he's more than competent. And his job at Soton last year seems less impressive given what they have done since they lost him and half their squad. but in for a penny in for a pound - might as well give him so time and see what he can do. Changing managers every 18 months isnt a great plan.

 

[balalasaurus]

People comparing us to Soton forget the fact that they had a clear structure from the youth set up all the way to the first team. With such a thing in place, even the 'exodus' that they experienced this summer was never really going to affect them as much as was anticipated. I can't remember where I saw it but I do remember Poch saying (somewhere close to the beginning of the season if I'm not mistaken) that there, the team pretty much trained itself whereas with us, he and his staff had to start from square one. That alone illustrates the size of the task that the management were, and still are, faced with.

And the truth is, it's not such an outlandish statement to make either. We've been so focused on being a fiscally responsible outfit (for the record not complaining here) that we pretty much overlooked setting up a sound footballing structure. Fortunately I believe it's something that Levy and co. have realized as - if reports are to be believed - they have made strides to ensuring that come this summer, Poch has the tools to really put his mark on the team unlike his predecessors. We can only take the lessons of the past and learn from them going forward. As far as Poch is concerned though, I do not think that we could have anyone with as much ability in charge of us right now and that much is fact.

Yes TS is doing well at Villa but just how long will that last? And Koeman has done well at Soton, but given the conditions there, was that really a surprise? We are we're supposed to be and considering the fact that a lot of us here at the start of the season were ready to accept a 6th place finish, I find it disturbing that suddenly that's turned to proclamations of a complete lack of faith in Poch and his staff. We have to accept that there will be growing pains to get to where we want to be. Last season Maureen went to Chelsea and only managed 3rd. This season his team dominated the table. That just shows that even the greats need some time. Who are we to suggest that Poch should be treated otherwise?

 

[fortworthspur]

People comparing us to Soton forget the fact that they had a clear structure from the youth set up all the way to the first team. With such a thing in place, even the 'exodus' that they experienced this summer was never really going to affect them as much as was anticipated. I can't remember where I saw it but I do remember Poch saying (somewhere close to the beginning of the season if I'm not mistaken) that there, the team pretty much trained itself whereas with us, he and his staff had to start from square one. That alone illustrates the size of the task that the management were, and still are, faced with.

And the truth is, it's not such an outlandish statement to make either. We've been so focused on being a fiscally responsible outfit (for the record not complaining here) that we pretty much overlooked setting up a sound footballing structure. Fortunately I believe it's something that Levy and co. have realized as - if reports are to be believed - they have made strides to ensuring that come this summer, Poch has the tools to really put his mark on the team unlike his predecessors. We can only take the lessons of the past and learn from them going forward. As far as Poch is concerned though, I do not think that we could have anyone with as much ability in charge of us right now and that much is fact.

Yes TS is doing well at Villa but just how long will that last? And Koeman has done well at Soton, but given the conditions there, was that really a surprise? We are we're supposed to be and considering the fact that a lot of us here at the start of the season were ready to accept a 6th place finish, I find it disturbing that suddenly that's turned to proclamations of a complete lack of faith in Poch and his staff. We have to accept that there will be growing pains to get to where we want to be. Last season Maureen went to Chelsea and only managed 3rd. This season his team dominated the table. That just shows that even the greats need some time. Who are we to suggest that Poch should be treated otherwise?

I think thats the point. Poch's resume is based on his success at Southampton, but as you point out, thats largely down to their youth program, and they havent missed a beat since Poch left. So if any half decent fellow would have been successful at Soton, what reason is there to believe that Poch is exceptional?