I'm proud to have Pochettino

[lukespurs7]

Because Kane isn't our only performer, just our outstanding one. Lloris, Rose, Bentaleb and I also think Dier have been excellent this season, not to mention we have 2 other players in Chadli and Eriksen who have scored 10 league goals each. That's hardly one man team. Our football has also been better, Kane is just the poster boy. If you can't see the difference between Bale literally running from our own half through a team to score compared to now then I can't help you

Can't agree with you more.

 

[lukespurs7]

ridiculous - how about three reasons:
1. beating the champions 5-3
2. beating the runners up and our biggest rivals 2-1
3. getting to a cup final for the first time in years

More?
1. Supporting a young core that are getting plaudits national team managers, fellow professionals, retired stars
2. Being central to the pull factor that allows us to compete and secure top young English talent
3. Showing a real interest in our youth group and providing them with the confidence to strive for the first team

Good enough for you?
Probably not but doubt much would be.

I love this!

 

[yankspurs]

Give me Klopp. Him, i'll be proud to have.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

You're quite right.

That makes absolutely no difference to my argument whatsoever.

A lot of your arguments ignore the facts.

 

[ItsBoris]

Give me Klopp. Him, i'll be proud to have.

We'd probably play pretty similarly under Klopp.

 

[ItsBoris]

Because Kane isn't our only performer, just our outstanding one. Lloris, Rose, Bentaleb and I also think Dier have been excellent this season, not to mention we have 2 other players in Chadli and Eriksen who have scored 10 league goals each. That's hardly one man team. Our football has also been better, Kane is just the poster boy. If you can't see the difference between Bale literally running from our own half through a team to score compared to now then I can't help you

Also if he can't see the difference between how we played under AVB and how we play under Poch then you can't help him much there either. Particularly in the City games, the game at the weekend was far better than our other recent performances against them.

The key difference under Poch is that we move the ball much more quickly and our players generally make good movements off the ball. Our build up play is far better than it was under AVB. What we need now is the players to fit the system and then we will be playing very well.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

A lot of your arguments ignore the facts.

Ok mate.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Because Kane isn't our only performer, just our outstanding one. Lloris, Rose, Bentaleb and I also think Dier have been excellent this season, not to mention we have 2 other players in Chadli and Eriksen who have scored 10 league goals each. That's hardly one man team. Our football has also been better, Kane is just the poster boy. If you can't see the difference between Bale literally running from our own half through a team to score compared to now then I can't help you

This is such a spin on the reality. Either both managers were saved by one man in their 1st season, or neither had 1 man covering their ass.
Let's look at the amount of goals which changed our total points tally:
Bale's goals influenced the results for a total amount of 19 points. Ie. that's the amount of points we would not have gained if Bale didn't score, everything else the same. Without his goals by this stage in the league (3 matches to go), we would have been 9th with 46 points.
If we look at Kane, his goals have earned us 22 points so far. Ie. without him scoring, everything else the same, we would have won 22 points less. That means we would have been 14th now, with 36 points.

 

[double0]

This is such a spin on the reality. Either both managers were saved by one man in their 1st season, or neither had 1 man covering their ass.
Let's look at the amount of goals which changed our total points tally:
Bale's goals influenced the results for a total amount of 19 points. Ie. that's the amount of points we would not have gained if Bale didn't score, everything else the same. Without his goals by this stage in the league (3 matches to go), we would have been 9th with 46 points.
If we look at Kane, his goals have earned us 22 points so far. Ie. without him scoring, everything else the same, we would have won 22 points less. That means we would have been 14th now, with 36 points.

This is such a lame arugment if not of one play blah blah blah Bale Kane and who ever you want to add to that list were part of a team. If you take the main players out of anyother team they as well will struggle so why is it different for Tottenham.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

This is such a lame arugment if not of one play blah blah blah Bale Kane and who ever you want to add to that list were part of a team. If you take the main players out of anyother team they as well will struggle so why is it different for Tottenham.

I don't disagree with that at all. I don't have a problem with people thinking like you do, you are perfectly correct. My problem is with those who still maintain that Bale covered up for AVB, but that Kane & Pochettino is a completely separate story. That AVB was lucky to have Bale, but that Pochettino is not at all having his butt saved by Kane. It is so foreign to me to have the absolute opposite opinions about those two situations.

The extent people will go to to defend their absolute bottomless hypocrisy is absolutely silly, making up "rules" that don't exist. Like Bale had "individual skill" but Kane is "merely executing a team effort". "Bale would like be gone for like 89 minutes and then bang like a lightning he would just fire off a shot like form nowhere 47 yards from goal – AVB had NOTHING to do with THAt", "But Pochettino will in every detail plan out every single move both of Kane and of the ball so that Kane can get to only 5 yards away from goal and per Pochettinos smart instructions merely nudge the ball over the line".

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Also if he can't see the difference between how we played under AVB and how we play under Poch then you can't help him much there either. Particularly in the City games, the game at the weekend was far better than our other recent performances against them.

The key difference under Poch is that we move the ball much more quickly and our players generally make good movements off the ball. Our build up play is far better than it was under AVB. What we need now is the players to fit the system and then we will be playing very well.

Not sure we are moving the ball quicker, it's still very pedestrian.

If City had something to play for, I think the score line may have been slightly different, so I wont base the 1-0 as a marked improvement.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

This is such a spin on the reality. Either both managers were saved by one man in their 1st season, or neither had 1 man covering their ass.
Let's look at the amount of goals which changed our total points tally:
Bale's goals influenced the results for a total amount of 19 points. Ie. that's the amount of points we would not have gained if Bale didn't score, everything else the same. Without his goals by this stage in the league (3 matches to go), we would have been 9th with 46 points.
If we look at Kane, his goals have earned us 22 points so far. Ie. without him scoring, everything else the same, we would have won 22 points less. That means we would have been 14th now, with 36 points.

I think if proof were needed regarding the potential loss of points over a season for a footballing side then you need look no furhter at the big decline at Liverpool this season without Suarez.

I think RVP's goals dried up last season for Man Ure, but am unsure of the total amount of goals he fell behind last season against the previous (or last season Fergie was in charge) when they won the PL?

You can i guess always argue that someone else would have scored some of those goals that Kane and Bale produced but in my opinion obviously not as many. You may also say that the club would have brought in a forward had the amount of goals scored by Bale and Kane not been so prolific.

At the end of the day every club has a player who appears to be a saviour for their respective manager, and neither Bale's or Kane's contributions as good as they are were or will be enough to win Spurs any silverware. Incredible to think that a player who has scored as many as Kane this season still places his club outside the top four.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think if proof were needed regarding the potential loss of points over a season for a footballing side then you need look no furhter at the big decline at Liverpool this season without Suarez.

I think RVP's goals dried up last season for Man Ure, but am unsure of the total amount of goals he fell behind last season against the previous (or last season Fergie was in charge) when they won the PL?

You can i guess always argue that someone else would have scored some of those goals that Kane and Bale produced but in my opinion obviously not as many. You may also say that the club would have brought in a forward had the amount of goals scored by Bale and Kane not been so prolific.

At the end of the day every club has a player who appears to be a saviour for their respective manager, and neither Bale's or Kane's contributions as good as they are were or will be enough to win Spurs any silverware. Incredible to think that a player who has scored as many as Kane this season still places his club outside the top four.

As for kane hitting all those goals and still no top four where the Fuck would we be had he not hit that many very scary indeed.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

You can i guess always argue that someone else would have scored some of those goals that Kane and Bale produced but in my opinion obviously not as many. You may also say that the club would have brought in a forward had the amount of goals scored by Bale and Kane not been so prolific.

You are right, but we can't know that. We can only assume it. We know for a fact that they wouldn't have signed any new striker for this season. (Nobody expected Kane to have a season like he did. Despite not expecting him to, no new strikes ware signed.).
Ultimately, we can't know what would have been if this and that. But I don't understand how people can make up these rules about how to measure impact only to maintain that AVB was lucky but Pochettino is a hero.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Y But I don't understand how people can make up these rules about how to measure impact only to maintain that AVB were lucky but Pochettino is a hero.

Its quite simple really - Pochettino is much more likable than AVB.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Its quite simple really - Pochettino is much more likable than AVB.

I find them more or less equal. I wish we had a hot female head coach, I'd start watching pressers again.

 

[Air Jordan 3]

Although we will finish in a similar position to last season I think we have had a better season than last.

-We got a day out at Wembley.
-More consistency in the results (ie. Not getting hammered 5-0)
-Our playing style has improved over the season.
-We have developed an exciting nucleus of young British talent.
-We have had positive results against the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal.

This is why I feel more positive going into the summer. Poch has clearly worked out who he wants and does not want. Let's support him with the players he wants and do our business early!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I find them more or less equal. I wish we had a hot female head coach, I'd start watching pressers again.

I watch Chelsea just to see one of the players get hurt so Eva has to go on the pitch.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I watch Chelsea just to see one of the players get hurt so Eva has to go on the pitch.

So do the Chelsea players...

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

This is such a spin on the reality. Either both managers were saved by one man in their 1st season, or neither had 1 man covering their ass.
Let's look at the amount of goals which changed our total points tally:
Bale's goals influenced the results for a total amount of 19 points. Ie. that's the amount of points we would not have gained if Bale didn't score, everything else the same. Without his goals by this stage in the league (3 matches to go), we would have been 9th with 46 points.
If we look at Kane, his goals have earned us 22 points so far. Ie. without him scoring, everything else the same, we would have won 22 points less. That means we would have been 14th now, with 36 points.

What the hell are you talking about?

Relying on a striker to do his job of scoring goals is not a one man team. He's not taking on 5 players and smashing each of his goals into the top corner. The team are creating chances for him and he is doing his job and finishing them.

Your argument makes no sense at all.