I'm proud to have Pochettino

[Dean]

Have we progressed from last season? Would we have been worse off with Sherwood? I doubt it. Poch really needs to show us something next season.

Sorry bud, but I can't agree. Sherwood has the tactical nous of a flip flop. Maybe that's the secret - don't think about it too much! - but in terms of a plan for the future and attracting the players, we would just have another Redknapp on our hands. Limited success on a short term basis, but no "philosophy".

Look at the people behind the scenes, who Poch has, Imo, likely played a big part in getting on board.

I know it goes against the nature of a Spurs fan, but give the guy time.

 

[CrouchPotato]

Probably Chiriches to someone at a bar. We've seen the proof he enjoys being not sober. Trying to impale poch's spurs career.

 

[millsey]

Sorry bud, but I can't agree. Sherwood has the tactical nous of a flip flop. Maybe that's the secret - don't think about it too much! - but in terms of a plan for the future and attracting the players, we would just have another Redknapp on our hands. Limited success on a short term basis, but no "philosophy".

Look at the people behind the scenes, who Poch has, Imo, likely played a big part in getting on board.

I know it goes against the nature of a Spurs fan, but give the guy time.

I will give him time. And sherwood was a tool. The question is would we be around the 6th 7th mark with sherwood and I would imagine yes

 

[cockeral]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...-five-year-plan-is-hitting-its-critical-phase

Interesting informed view of Poch and how he's operated this season - not sure it deserves its own thread, so posting it here.

Few quotes :

' Behind the scenes, though, Pochettino has identified almost exactly the same problems in the squad as the now Aston Villa boss - most notably the weak mentality of the group and the need for more leaders'.

' Even compatriots Erik Lamela and Federico Fazio are said to have little more than a cordial relationship with Pochettino, while he doesn’t talk at all to players he has exiled from his matchday squad including Adebayor, Kaboul and Capoue.
“The only players he really talks to and shows interest in are Hugo [Lloris], Danny Rose and Harry Kane,” one player, who is a regular in the matchday squad, told Goal'.

Total contrast to how Poch was said to relate to the Southampton players - where he was supposed to be almost 'matey' with the squad

He's working with a different set of players than he had at Soton, who already had a cohesive philosophy of promoting youth. We on the other hand had a squad of cliques, so it is obvious what he is trying to do. Forge relationships with players he wants to be a part of his core group going forward and isolate those he wants out. He knows that he needs to get rid of players and he's not gong to be chummy with those he doesn't want around or doesn't want to be part of his long term plans. He wants to force players out and in football just like in any business there's no better way to get people to leave than having your manager make it abundantly clear they don't want you around. in the short term it's obviously going to crete a negative atmosphere, but in the long term hopefully it encourages players to get their agents on the case to find them a new club.

 

[greaves]

I have a feeling this is going to end very badly.

Genesis. Chapter One.

 

[shelfboy68]

Sorry bud, but I can't agree. Sherwood has the tactical nous of a flip flop. Maybe that's the secret - don't think about it too much! - but in terms of a plan for the future and attracting the players, we would just have another Redknapp on our hands. Limited success on a short term basis, but no "philosophy".

Look at the people behind the scenes, who Poch has, Imo, likely played a big part in getting on board.

I know it goes against the nature of a Spurs fan, but give the guy time.

Limited success on a short term basis how do you know that poch shows any evidence of sustaining anything longer given that he had one decent season at southampton.
Its a bit too optimistic to say he will deliver a cycle of success based on what, yes we reached a cup final this year but nearly any average manager could have done the same as we played no one of note until the final.
I wish the man well and hope he is all that everyone wants but on another note wtf is this "philosophy" shit, he has a playing style which when it works on occasions looks ok but looks incredibly flimsy when put under the slightest pressure.

 

[shelfboy68]

Well lets hope all this recruitment of backroom staff pays off and its not back to square one again.

 

[lukespurs7]

Sorry bud, but I can't agree. Sherwood has the tactical nous of a flip flop. Maybe that's the secret - don't think about it too much! - but in terms of a plan for the future and attracting the players, we would just have another Redknapp on our hands. Limited success on a short term basis, but no "philosophy".

Look at the people behind the scenes, who Poch has, Imo, likely played a big part in getting on board.

I know it goes against the nature of a Spurs fan, but give the guy time.

This is the point.

And as for the poster who said he's not done better than AVB or Sherwood,no perhaps he hasn't in some ways however you can also say that AVB had a Bale in worldy form and Sherwood had Adebeyor.

AVB was not good enough and Sherwood is a short term motivator no basis to give him the job,yes doing well at Villa but we will see...

Yes we've had Kane for most of this season, but Eriksen,Chadli and co have provided a lot more than they did under the previous two.

Also under AVB we were getting tonked 4/5-0 by the big teams and same with Sherwood to an extent...Man.U away aside we've improved our results in that respect big time and our performances.

It's ultimately been an up and down season but we got to a cup final and have put in a couple of Stella performances which bode well for the future. Potch has also clearly identified who he thinks is and isnt good enough both ability and attitudewise.

This is so so key and if we recruit properly this time once we get rid of these not needed players then let's just see how well he does then.

I think he's doing a good job and De Boer aside was probably the best choice for us.

COYS

 

[lukespurs7]

He's working with a different set of players than he had at Soton, who already had a cohesive philosophy of promoting youth. We on the other hand had a squad of cliques, so it is obvious what he is trying to do. Forge relationships with players he wants to be a part of his core group going forward and isolate those he wants out. He knows that he needs to get rid of players and he's not gong to be chummy with those he doesn't want around or doesn't want to be part of his long term plans. He wants to force players out and in football just like in any business there's no better way to get people to leave than having your manager make it abundantly clear they don't want you around. in the short term it's obviously going to crete a negative atmosphere, but in the long term hopefully it encourages players to get their agents on the case to find them a new club.

Spot on.

 

[yojambo]

5th / 6th with a cup final is pretty much as good as we have achieved in the history of the PL. Only bettered in the Harry years but then he had a better team to work with.

 

[Eddy4956]

He's working with a different set of players than he had at Soton, who already had a cohesive philosophy of promoting youth. We on the other hand had a squad of cliques, so it is obvious what he is trying to do. Forge relationships with players he wants to be a part of his core group going forward and isolate those he wants out. He knows that he needs to get rid of players and he's not gong to be chummy with those he doesn't want around or doesn't want to be part of his long term plans. He wants to force players out and in football just like in any business there's no better way to get people to leave than having your manager make it abundantly clear they don't want you around. in the short term it's obviously going to crete a negative atmosphere, but in the long term hopefully it encourages players to get their agents on the case to find them a new club.

Agree. It could still go badly wrong next season, but on the whole I'm mildly optimistic that we have someone who can build the club so that we can punch above our current weight. 6th place is about where we should be, in relation to our financial position, but with so many young players - Bentaleb, Kane, Rose, Dier - performing as they have done this season, just maybe we can turn into a top 4 side over the next 2 seasons. Glass half full - cheers.

 

[longtimespur]

Half full for me too. He needs backing from the board (DL). Seems promising with Ade as far as recent articles are saying. Just 6 or more others to go as well. I think we possibly only need 3 or 4 new additions in the right positions to give him e a good chance to improve our results. Whether we'll make top 4 I doubt given another season and maybe we'll be in the mix more

 

[Mr Pink]

I will give him time. And sherwood was a tool. The question is would we be around the 6th 7th mark with sherwood and I would imagine yes

This is why we need to give a manager time. Hopefully he's the right one to give the time to, but until we actually do we're never going to find out or build anything for the long term.

We're in and around par and shouldn't be expecting dramatic improvement in his first season.

All this 'I'll give a manager time' and then in next breath 'we havn't shown any progression' just smacks of complaining whilst knowing its harsh to be judging this early when he's around par.

 

[eddiebailey]

This is why we need to give a manager time. Hopefully he's the right one to give the time to, but until we actually do we're never going to find out or build anything for the long term.

We're in and around par and shouldn't be expecting dramatic improvement in his first season.

Results wise I agree, but his handling off the squad and inflexible tactics are concerns.

 

[Mr Pink]

Results wise I agree, but his handling off the squad and inflexible tactics are concerns.

That's reasonable and I share some of those concerns to be fair.

But I'm still waiting until well into next season before I start to really firm up my opinion.

 

[only1waddle]

That's reasonable and I share some of those concerns to be fair.

But I'm still waiting until well into next season before I start to really firm up my opinion.

I agree with this but I was hoping to see a few more games where we played as a unit, with an aggressive press and urgency.
I don't think MP expected teams to sit back against us so much and he will have to make a few tweaks, as odd as it sounds maybe even a few chats with Bielsa would be wise.

 

[Blackcanary]

I agree with this but I was hoping to see a few more games where we played as a unit, with an aggressive press and urgency.
I don't think MP expected teams to sit back against us so much and he will have to make a few tweaks, as odd as it sounds maybe even a few chats with Bielsa would be wise.

I think this part of making the step-up - what worked at Soton won't necessarily work here, where teams do come to stifle us. It's up to him to understand that and adapt accordingly.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i hope he's still here when we play our first game at the new stadium but if he does get the sack in the meantime then i hope ugo ehiogu replaces him.

 

[only1waddle]

I think this part of making the step-up - what worked at Soton won't necessarily work here, where teams do come to stifle us. It's up to him to understand that and adapt accordingly.

It's a fair chunk of games a season now too, I was pleased with the Lamela goal because of the smarter movement, this is how we deal with teams like this.

 

[lukespurs7]

Results wise I agree, but his handling off the squad and inflexible tactics are concerns.

Inflexible tactics to a point but I think it's more the case of he doesn't trust his options to change it up,would you really want to go to say 4-4-2 if it meant Soldado had to come on?

Squad handling it's hard to know what goes on behind the scenes,he made wrong choices early on with Kaboul, Ade etc but he's realised his error of judgement and now sorted a squad with played he knows he can trust moving forward,don't see how his handling of the squad has been bad tbh.