Injury Updates

[nedley]

Great news about Son.

 

[voxy28]

Sissoko is looking very unhappy.

He is our wing back...lol

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I keep saying it, but I think we've actually been quite logical about it - well, every other walk of life would find it logical, apart from the crazy world that is football.

We have a very decent prospect in KWP. Why not give him the relative luxury of pre-season for Poch to assess him and make a judgment of where he is at and if he is ready to come into the first team picture? That could potentially save us from having to spend however much in the transfer market on a new player.

We'll find out in the coming weeks whether it's a yay, or its in fact nay and Poch will say we need another right back. Now I'm sure most fans are fucked off they haven't had a shiny new signing and if we do get one it wasn't here on the 1st July and now extra panic is setting in because of injuries, but personally I think you should always look at what you have already before going out and buying, especially if you are a club that purports to be about developing players and putting more faith in the academy.

Do you not think that's an extremely risky strategy? I mean I'm someone that doesn't mind rolling the dice myself and taking a chance, but considering that KWP had not played 1 minute of first team football anywhere let alone with Spurs, imo you can't go and then say "I'm gonna wait and see if he does ok in a few pre season games then decide after that if he's ready to play or not"

Considering that we will be playing not just Premier league but also CL football, you need someone that is ready to step in and play those games. It's still debatable whether Trippier is even good enough at that level.

How many minutes has KWP played in pre season anyway? I'd be interested to know at which point Poch thought "ok he's not ready". It's not like he made any major mistakes, ok got caught postionaly a few times but no worse than anyone else. If Poch really wanted to look at KWP and see if he was ready why not give him minutes in one of the games at the end of last season or start him in all the pre season games?

Idk maybe it's just me but I don't think we should be in this situation, Walker left like a month ago and it's been on the cards for ages. Yet we will be starting against Newcastle with Sissoko or Dier as fullback when we dont have any wingers to play ahead of them.

 

[Blake Griffin]

when trippier went off injured against juve, why did kwp come on if he's not in contention to play when the season starts? surely would've made more sense(with regards to preparation for the newcastle game) if winks had come on with dier or sissoko going to rb?

 

[mpickard2087]

Do you not think that's an extremely risky strategy? I mean I'm someone that doesn't mind rolling the dice myself and taking a chance, but considering that KWP had not played 1 minute of first team football anywhere let alone with Spurs, imo you can't go and then say "I'm gonna wait and see if he does ok in a few pre season games then decide after that if he's ready to play or not"

Considering that we will be playing not just Premier league but also CL football, you need someone that is ready to step in and play those games. It's still debatable whether Trippier is even good enough at that level.

How many minutes has KWP played in pre season anyway? I'd be interested to know at which point Poch thought "ok he's not ready". It's not like he made any major mistakes, ok got caught postionaly a few times but no worse than anyone else. If Poch really wanted to look at KWP and see if he was ready why not give him minutes in one of the games at the end of last season or start him in all the pre season games?

Idk maybe it's just me but I don't think we should be in this situation, Walker left like a month ago and it's been on the cards for ages. Yet we will be starting against Newcastle with Sissoko or Dier as fullback when we dont have any wingers to play ahead of them.

KWP I'm fairly certain hasn't been completely full-time with the first team squad until very recently (I think it was only this summer he got his first team socks for example). This will be the first time Poch will have him day in, day out for every minute and can assess him day in and day out for that consistency training amongst the rest of the squad. It's not just matches, its surviving the training as well. He wont have known until this point, and I do believe the last few weeks he will have learnt a lot about KWP.

I agree there are question marks about Trippier as well as KWP (I'm not even that convinced by Davies still either to be honest), but Poch is giving him first shot at becoming the main man - we'll see if he rises to the challenge.

I don't see why it's a big risk, we've still got basically a month of the transfer window left to make a signing if that is what is decided. Injuries in pre-season have been unfortunate, but if we're talking about the odd game now where Dier or someone has to fill in (as I'm not expecting KWP to play every game, I don't think anyone is suggesting that) then its not the end of the world. In any case, any new signing is a risk in itself - they might break a leg first training session or turn out to be a dud (that's never happened before, has it...) so for now I'm content with what we have done.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

when trippier went off injured against juve, why did kwp come on if he's not in contention to play when the season starts? surely would've made more sense(with regards to preparation for the newcastle game) if winks had come on with dier or sissoko going to rb?

In the heat of the moment is not the best time to make long-term plans. RB goes out, then KWP goes in - as he was probably going to do at some point anyway.

I am guessing Poch had some idea of what he wanted to see, and where he wanted players to get time v. Juve. And, at that moment, he probably had no idea the severity of Trippier's injury. So, no reason to deviate from the game plan.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

KWP I'm fairly certain hasn't been completely full-time with the first team squad until very recently (I think it was only this summer he got his first team socks for example). This will be the first time Poch will have him day in, day out for every minute and can assess him day in and day out for that consistency training amongst the rest of the squad. It's not just matches, its surviving the training as well. He wont have known until this point, and I do believe the last few weeks he will have learnt a lot about KWP.

I agree there are question marks about Trippier as well as KWP (I'm not even that convinced by Davies still either to be honest), but Poch is giving him first shot at becoming the main man - we'll see if he rises to the challenge.

I don't see why it's a big risk, we've still got basically a month of the transfer window left to make a signing if that is what is decided. Injuries in pre-season have been unfortunate, but if we're talking about the odd game now where Dier or someone has to fill in (as I'm not expecting KWP to play every game, I don't think anyone is suggesting that) then its not the end of the world. In any case, any new signing is a risk in itself - they might break a leg first training session or turn out to be a dud (that's never happened before, has it...) so for now I'm content with what we have done.

My worry is that there is only a month left and if we haven't secured our right back targets by now I wonder if we will just end up settling for someone average as we've waited too long and no clubs want to play ball. Hope I'm wrong but I won't hold my breath as far as us and last minute signings go.

 

[cliff jones]

I keep saying it, but I think we've actually been quite logical about it - well, every other walk of life would find it logical, apart from the crazy world that is football.

We have a very decent prospect in KWP. Why not give him the relative luxury of pre-season for Poch to assess him and make a judgment of where he is at and if he is ready to come into the first team picture? That could potentially save us from having to spend however much in the transfer market on a new player.

We'll find out in the coming weeks whether it's a yay, or its in fact nay and Poch will say we need another right back. Now I'm sure most fans are fucked off they haven't had a shiny new signing and if we do get one it wasn't here on the 1st July and now extra panic is setting in because of injuries, but personally I think you should always look at what you have already before going out and buying, especially if you are a club that purports to be about developing players and putting more faith in the academy.

so Poch has gone public last weekend, his conclusion is already clear. Now, where's the RB?

 

[cliff jones]

Not what the moaners want to hear.

which one of them two is wearing 2 at Newcastle?

 

[Spurs 1961]

which one of them two is wearing 2 at Newcastle?

oops came into the wrong thread. Thought this was for injury updates ...

 

[cliff jones]

oops came into the wrong thread. Thought this was for injury updates ...

No,this is have a dig at the moaners who don't want our injured players to recover digression.

 

[mpickard2087]

so Poch has gone public last weekend, his conclusion is already clear. Now, where's the RB?

I'm waiting for the Newcastle game first before we know, after all the Poch-glish language hasn't been deciphered yet.

 

[coys200]

Honestly can't believe how poch very confusing answeer on KWP has been interpreted that he won't play against Newcastle.He never said that at any time.He said we couldn't go into a season for a considerable amount of time with just KWP.

 

[cliff jones]

I'm waiting for the Newcastle game first before we know, after all the Poch-glish language hasn't been deciphered yet.

and IF it does go wrong up there you'll still say wait till the window closes and there's still 37 games to go

Having two quality full/wing-backs on both sides of the pitch on rotation has been key to Poch's approach and our recent success, why jeopardise this fundamental part of our machine with these protracted money plays?

 

[Shadydan]

and IF it does go wrong up there you'll still say wait till the window closes and there's still 37 games to go

Having two quality full/wing-backs on both sides of the pitch on rotation has been key to Poch's approach and our recent success, why jeopardise this fundamental part of our machine with these protracted money plays?

Would be a good idea till after the game finished to get your shit off...just like it would be grand if you wait until the window closes before you start to judge our transfer window.

 

[cliff jones]

Would be a good idea till after the game finished to get your shit off...just like it would be grand if you wait until the window closes before you start to judge our transfer window.

I'm never gonna agree with you and the wait and see brigade, always tomorrow next week next window next season, go and support an Oil club, we'll do a Leeds

in the same way you won't ever grip the value of a pre-season, fitness, orientation, confidence- Sissoko deserves most of the shit he gets but he got none of the afore-mentioned last season because he was signed at five to midnight on deadline day, for a massive saving huh...

 

[Shadydan]

I'm never gonna agree with you and the wait and see brigade, always tomorrow next week next window next season, go and support an Oil club, we'll do a Leeds

in the same way you won't ever grip the value of a pre-season, fitness, orientation, confidence- Sissoko deserves most of the shit he gets but he got none of the afore-mentioned last season because he was signed at five to midnight on deadline day, for a massive saving huh...

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

 

[spurs9]

Do you not think that's an extremely risky strategy? I mean I'm someone that doesn't mind rolling the dice myself and taking a chance, but considering that KWP had not played 1 minute of first team football anywhere let alone with Spurs, imo you can't go and then say "I'm gonna wait and see if he does ok in a few pre season games then decide after that if he's ready to play or not"

Considering that we will be playing not just Premier league but also CL football, you need someone that is ready to step in and play those games. It's still debatable whether Trippier is even good enough at that level.

How many minutes has KWP played in pre season anyway? I'd be interested to know at which point Poch thought "ok he's not ready". It's not like he made any major mistakes, ok got caught postionaly a few times but no worse than anyone else. If Poch really wanted to look at KWP and see if he was ready why not give him minutes in one of the games at the end of last season or start him in all the pre season games?

Idk maybe it's just me but I don't think we should be in this situation, Walker left like a month ago and it's been on the cards for ages. Yet we will be starting against Newcastle with Sissoko or Dier as fullback when we dont have any wingers to play ahead of them.

It's also debatable whether any of our RB targets are good enough for that level too and it's not like there are a number of quality RB's available.

I don't think it is a coincidence that all of the RB's we appear to be looking at are versatile, so I think Poch does have faith in KWP being a back up but wants insurance in case of a lengthy Trippier injury, as he doesn't think he could depend on KWP full time yet.

Edit: Forgot to add, KWP wasn't available for the last 2 games of last season as he had already gone on international duty, preparing U20 WC.

 

[Lighty64]

He is our wing back...lol

he was our wing back when we stuffed Leicester away too

 

[mpickard2087]

and IF it does go wrong up there you'll still say wait till the window closes and there's still 37 games to go

Having two quality full/wing-backs on both sides of the pitch on rotation has been key to Poch's approach and our recent success, why jeopardise this fundamental part of our machine with these protracted money plays?

And the evidence so far points to KWP at least getting a chance to stake a claim to be one of those four full backs - both that he is involved in pre-season, and we haven't signed anyone (especially now with Trippier's unfortunate injury).

If KWP is deemed good enough, and we have to go a few weeks now playing a Dier (or someone else) there rotating with KWP as Trippier recovers then big deal. Injuries are part and parcel of football and we've had a couple of unfortunate ones recently, suck it up and move on. Next you'll be telling me we need to sign another LB to cover for Rose's absence over the next few weeks...