Is Redknapp Tactically good Enough!

[RickyVilla]

Against Stoke last season and Wigan this year we lost in exactly the same manor!

So are Wigan playing in Stoke or vice versa?? :wink:

 

[kkemal]

Are you aware of what level one and two coaching consists of?? Level 3 is certainly a little more in depth but one and two are probably more aimed to coaching kids under the ages of 7 upwards. Does not give you any more of a valid opinion on Redknapp or any other coach, than you or i may have.

Have you got level 2 mate???? come to just one of my sessions and i make you eat ur words, I coach at new river sports centre on Wednesday nights from 8 - 10.30pm! New river is in wood green n22!

 

[kkemal]

Indeed. It's like anyone taking Paul "The Guvnor" Ince seriously on this issue. He's managed at the prem level and everything. Occasionally even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

Not calling you a blind squirrel, kkemal, or heaven forfend, Paul Ince but mate, none of that means that Harry, who has stumbled along for a few decades in the football malarkey, is inept. As you stated, it is your opinion. Getting back to reality, however, the picture is rather different.

The opinion of an anonymous poster or historical records and facts. Tough choice.

I aint saying i know more than anyone else, more than you or more than HR, I gave my opinion!!! I gave an opinion n all u lot wanna call me names n shoot me down!

HR has been managing for 40 years BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

How long has pep Gurdiola from Barca been coaching? what's your point??

How long has Jose been coaching?? Who did he play for??? what position m8?? Whats your point?

You guys think that if ur over 60 and been a coach for x amount of years and played football once upon a time that it makes you a legend!!! Remind me who did Wenger play for???? was he any good??? Whats ur point m8???

 

[roosh]

kkemal, I don't think anyone is saying that Harry is a tactical genius, but I would certainly say that claiming he is tactically inept is fairly ludicrous.

Just as a matter of opinion, what other managers in the leage are tactically superior to Redknapp. I ask this out of genuine interest, because I wouldn't be that knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[kkemal]

Whilst I'm not defending the OP's opinion I used to play on Sundays in the same league as the one-time national champions.
They stuffed teams from all over the country including ones fielding the likes of Kerry Dixon and Paul Parker, both ex-Internationals, and they certainly weren't playing for free.

You played for em.............I coach em m8......big difference, I wonder how you would react in a dressing room at half time when ur 1 down with 15 poeple looking at you for the solution??

Sunday league is sunday league, the sunday league we are in see's players from top saturday leagues come and play for extra cash, Ian Wright came from the Marsh's mate! Some Sunday leagues are a joke and others are very good level.

Every single player I Have in my Sunday team is a semi bro baller that plays on a saturday and gets a wage, look up Bradley Thomas (wikipedia) and look at the clubs he has played for and then tell me if you would have the balls to coach him knowing that he was once coached by Barry Fry!!!!........

And i dont play football manager games, once upon a time yes, now i prefer to manage and coach my own team cause ANYONE can switch a PC on m8!!!

 

[DoublePivot]

This is the thread where SC officially died.

 

[RickyVilla]

Yeah well people are entitled to their opinions but some of the stuff coming out here is amazing. I reckon that any person who coachs in Wood Green should become Tottenham manager as they obviously know more than god, the prophets and that fella downstairs. Amen and viva Satan

 

[roosh]

My January transfer wishlist:

Out
Harry

In
kkemal

 

[kkemal]

kkemal, I don't think anyone is saying that Harry is a tactical genius, but I would certainly say that claiming he is tactically inept is fairly ludicrous.

Just as a matter of opinion, what other managers in the leage are tactically superior to Redknapp. I ask this out of genuine interest, because I wouldn't be that knowledgeable on the subject.

Names Kem mate, thanks for the reply, this post has caused a war! lol

I wouldnt look at it that way, becuase they all have different players to work with and different playing traditions at each club.

For example when Jose won the league with Chelsea he played a 433 with Duff and Robben down the wings as the wide strikers and as soon as they went 1 up he made a tactical change and shut up shop and kept a clean sheet. Boring or not that is not my point, it was a tactical system based on 2 objectives

- Clean Sheet
- Score 1 goal

Did it work? Yes it did, could you do that at the lane? hard to say but as supporters we want to see pretty football and we want to win in style. But Jose was all about winning anyway he could!

HR is playing Jenas in the team becuase he is on form, ok that is the gaffers opinion and we respect that but define form?

or is HR playing Jenas cause he has no clue tactically what to do as we cant open teams up at the min and is chucking Jenas in to the mix hoping it will change something??? I dont hate jenas i just think he needs to be allowed to play with more freedom and run at defences more often, but its almost like in his whole time at spurs every gaffer he has played under as restricted him to this restrictive central role where he cannot push forward too often.

you tell me?

Then you might say well its not his fault as he told us he wanted 3 players and the odds are he got 1 of the 3 he wanted so the chances might be that HR hates 3 of the 4 forwards we have and wants a Fabiano/Benz/Suarez but DL wont sanction it.

How many forwards scored for everton against man u at goodison 3 weeks ago? We cant keep saying Defoe Defoe Defoe, what has defoe done since he scored 5 against wigan last season??

Movement is not good enough to open teams up, failure to do this means the opposing team have the simple task of shuting the forwards out to minimise the goal threat, all in all we have become too easy to play against.

So either all 11 of our players are out of form and clueless?

The keepers we come up against are super human?

or maybe just maybe the prep is poor and too dependent on Defoe and Crouch.

I dont claim to have the answers all i'm saying is that HR needs to get it right before he starts losing the dressing room and then the fans cause a few more bad results and we will see how quickly the fans turn on him.

COYS

 

[kkemal]

My January transfer wishlist:

Out
Harry

In
kkemal

Ur my Hero! :rofl:

 

[kkemal]

This is the thread where SC officially died.

Dude uve been a member for 5 years and made how many posts????

Turn ur PC off, go chat some women up and get a life and stop spending the best years of ur life posting on websites!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think you'll find that this seasons game v Wigan is very different to last seasons v Stoke.

This season v Wigan we were unimaginative, we looked lost and we couldn't break them down, and got caught out because of stupid defending from several players at once and Cudicini making a mess of things.

Last season v Stoke we absolutely pummelled them, created countless chances, with Lennon absolutely murdering them, but were kept at bay by Sorenson who had as good a game as I've seen from any goalkeeper. Then, shortly before the end, after we'd made all three changes in a last ditch attempt to win the game, Glenn Whelan injured Aaron Lennon with a challenge that should have been a straight red. Whelan stayed on the pitch, we were down to ten men. At that point, on his excellent form, Lennon was also brilliant at tracking back with widemen who attacked us. They breached our defence for the first time in the game right at the death, outnumbering us now 11 to 10, and Whelan, who Lennon would have usually run all the way with, was completely unmarked as the ball fell to him in our area, and scored.

I'd compare the Wigan came this season to the Wolves game last season in all but the timing of the goal that beat us. Unable to break down an ultra defensive side, caught out by some sloppy defending (v Wolves it was a set piece, sigh) and devoid of imagination. That game had no Modric, Defoe or Lennon if I remember correctly.

Stop comparing the Wigan game to the Stoke game. The Wigan game was an abject performance and we deservedly lost. The Stoke game last season was a brilliant performance, lacking only the cricket scoreline level of goalscoring our play deserved, and justice was most certainly not done.

 

[roosh]

Names Kem mate, thanks for the reply, this post has caused a war! lol

I wouldnt look at it that way, becuase they all have different players to work with and different playing traditions at each club.

For example when Jose won the league with Chelsea he played a 433 with Duff and Robben down the wings as the wide strikers and as soon as they went 1 up he made a tactical change and shut up shop and kept a clean sheet. Boring or not that is not my point, it was a tactical system based on 2 objectives

- Clean Sheet
- Score 1 goal

Did it work? Yes it did, could you do that at the lane? hard to say but as supporters we want to see pretty football and we want to win in style. But Jose was all about winning anyway he could!

HR is playing Jenas in the team becuase he is on form, ok that is the gaffers opinion and we respect that but define form?

or is HR playing Jenas cause he has no clue tactically what to do as we cant open teams up at the min and is chucking Jenas in to the mix hoping it will change something??? I dont hate jenas i just think he needs to be allowed to play with more freedom and run at defences more often, but its almost like in his whole time at spurs every gaffer he has played under as restricted him to this restrictive central role where he cannot push forward too often.

you tell me?

Then you might say well its not his fault as he told us he wanted 3 players and the odds are he got 1 of the 3 he wanted so the chances might be that HR hates 3 of the 4 forwards we have and wants a Fabiano/Benz/Suarez but DL wont sanction it.

How many forwards scored for everton against man u at goodison 3 weeks ago? We cant keep saying Defoe Defoe Defoe, what has defoe done since he scored 5 against wigan last season??

Movement is not good enough to open teams up, failure to do this means the opposing team have the simple task of shuting the forwards out to minimise the goal threat, all in all we have become too easy to play against.

So either all 11 of our players are out of form and clueless?

The keepers we come up against are super human?

or maybe just maybe the prep is poor and too dependent on Defoe and Crouch.

I dont claim to have the answers all i'm saying is that HR needs to get it right before he starts losing the dressing room and then the fans cause a few more bad results and we will see how quickly the fans turn on him.

COYS

I agree with you in principle, and in particular what you were saying earlier about having the likes of Palacios in the team. Indeed it was Redknapp who was seemingly the first, in a long list of managers, who recognised this crucial weakness in successive spurs sides, when he brought Palacios in.

The problem at the moment, as far as I can see is that we are missing a tough tackling midfielder, who will break up opposition attacks, and offer cover to our shorn defence. We have the players to turn defense into attack, except at the all too crucial point of winning the ball back.

I actually think Redknapp recognises this, and is why he is playing JJ, because, at present, he is the closest thing to an in-form, tackling midfielder that we have. Unfortunately Palacios is well off-form at the moemnt, largely due to suffering the loss of his brother last season. I don't think game time is necessarily the right thing at the moment.

We have a replacement/back-up for Palacios at the moment, in the form of Sandro, but he severly cramped up after 90mins against Arsenal. If we risk him then he could tear muscles, and he would be out injured for a longer period.

As for the "Plan B", at the moment injuries are seriously restricting our "Plan A", so I'm not too sure what a "Plan B" might be. I think the Wolves game at the Lane this season, showed the importance of stikcing to your game plan, even when it looks like things aren't working. Unfortunately we picked up even more injuries after that game, which limited us even further against West Ham.

I think with the current form of our strikers, we are yet to see what an effective "Plan B" would be. We effectively did go to "Plan B" against West Ham, with Pav and Keane up-front, and the more forward thinking dos Santos for Lennon.

Again, injuries are seriously limiting our "Plan A", rendering our "Plan B" highly ineffective.

 

[roosh]

Just further on the "Plan B" issue. I wouldn't say that it is necessarily right to have a set "Plan B". I think most managers would see how the game is progressing, and try and make the needed substitutes.

Sometimes that may just be going like-for-like with a substitution, other times it might be going with two instead of one up top, and vice versa, other times it might be to take off Ekotto, move Bale to left back, and bring on Huddlestone alá the Young Boys match.


I think Redknapp generally tends to make fairly effective substitutions, obviously not all, and particularly not with so many injuries and off-form players, but by-and-large I would say they are decent enough.

 

[double0]

The problem is balance this will sound wired (prob is a wired thing to say but its an opinion) but Bale has unbalanced the team our point of attack has become Bale and the stats are there to show this...there doesn't seem to be any variation on how we attack or score goals

Lennon isn't seeing the ball and our strikers haven't the strength of pace to cause problems. Arry should try Lennon in Van De Vaart's position in a couple of games, VDV on the right.

 

[kkemal]

I agree with you in principle, and in particular what you were saying earlier about having the likes of Palacios in the team. Indeed it was Redknapp who was seemingly the first, in a long list of managers, who recognised this crucial weakness in successive spurs sides, when he brought Palacios in.

The problem at the moment, as far as I can see is that we are missing a tough tackling midfielder, who will break up opposition attacks, and offer cover to our shorn defence. We have the players to turn defense into attack, except at the all too crucial point of winning the ball back.

I actually think Redknapp recognises this, and is why he is playing JJ, because, at present, he is the closest thing to an in-form, tackling midfielder that we have. Unfortunately Palacios is well off-form at the moemnt, largely due to suffering the loss of his brother last season. I don't think game time is necessarily the right thing at the moment.

We have a replacement/back-up for Palacios at the moment, in the form of Sandro, but he severly cramped up after 90mins against Arsenal. If we risk him then he could tear muscles, and he would be out injured for a longer period.

As for the "Plan B", at the moment injuries are seriously restricting our "Plan A", so I'm not too sure what a "Plan B" might be. I think the Wolves game at the Lane this season, showed the importance of stikcing to your game plan, even when it looks like things aren't working. Unfortunately we picked up even more injuries after that game, which limited us even further against West Ham.

I think with the current form of our strikers, we are yet to see what an effective "Plan B" would be. We effectively did go to "Plan B" against West Ham, with Pav and Keane up-front, and the more forward thinking dos Santos for Lennon.

Again, injuries are seriously limiting our "Plan A", rendering our "Plan B" highly ineffective.

Fair point fella and I get ur point about Penis, I mean Jenas! I guess my main point was that sometimes I'd like to see the gaffer go away from home and be UGLY and then when wolves and wigan come over lets scrap cause thats what those teams do,

So sometimes style has to go out the windown and we bring in Grit!! hence tghe 451/433

 

[roosh]

The problem is balance this will sound wired (prob is a wired thing to say but its an opinion) but Bale has unbalanced the team our point of attack has become Bale and the stats are there to show this...there doesn't seem to be any variation on how we attack or score goals

Lennon isn't seeing the ball and our strikers haven't the strength of pace to cause problems. Arry should try Lennon in Van De Vaart's position in a couple of games, VDV on the right.

I think that is one of the symptoms of not having a ball winner in midfield, and a better Playmaker. At the moment we don't really force the opposition into turning over possession, until it comes to our final third. This means that we are constantly starting from the back. At present Hudd seems to be our playmaker, but he doesn't seem to work hard enough, or dare I say, isn't developed enough for that role. He can play a decent pass from time, but when it comes to using the ball wisely he doesn't seem to do enough of it.

This results in us using the predictable option of going wide to Bale, because he is the most effective. If Lennon were more on form, then we would be somewhat more balanced, but still predictable.

I personally think we need vdV or Modric (I'd prefer vdV) playing in that CM role, alongside a tackling midfielder, because they would use the ball more cleverly. Instead of always looking to go out wide, or go long, they would look to go through the middle as well. With vdV or Modric playing in a more advanced role, this option would be probably be more productive, and we would start to use it more.

One of our major issues, is that when we start probing down either wing, and get stopped, there doesn't seem to be enough movement off the ball, in midfield to give players an option when in trouble. Too seldom does there seem to be the option of giving a short ball into CM, to change the point of attack, it all too often seems to go back to the defense and around.

 

[roosh]

Fair point fella and I get ur point about Penis, I mean Jenas! I guess my main point was that sometimes I'd like to see the gaffer go away from home and be UGLY and then when wolves and wigan come over lets scrap cause thats what those teams do,

So sometimes style has to go out the windown and we bring in Grit!! hence tghe 451/433

I fully agree, and I think Redknapp does recognise that, it's just which is why he signed Palacios and Sandro. Unfortunately, one is off form and the other is probably not ready to be played. Even more unfortunate, we don't have too many other "ugly" players - who are fit.

 

[mattdefoe]

Dam we need a top top tactition, possibly a spanish one as there the world champions, hmmmm i know that juande ramos guy GENIUS what a sevilla side he had two uefa cups and he also knocked spurs out although he got VERY lucky but he is a genius by all means, sign him up You dont need to be able to speak good english just tactics .

 

[SpurSince57]

I fully agree, and I think Redknapp does recognise that, it's just which is why he signed Palacios and Sandro. Unfortunately, one is off form and the other is probably not ready to be played. Even more unfortunate, we don't have too many other "ugly" players - who are fit.

Last season Huddlestone put in as many tackles as Palacios, and won as high a percentage.