Is Redknapp Tactically good Enough!

[kkemal]

I Havent been posting on Spurs community for too long and have only been a member since 2008.

Been a spurs fan all my life (31 years) and I have had a season ticket since i was 11!

My view is that HR is not able to tactically overcome teams that play 451 at the lane against us!

His team selection is all over the shop!

I'm not doubting his ability to motivate players but the Lennon issue is evidence in its self that he has no idea tactically how to fix things or make changes when they need to be made!

All in all I feel he is well out of his depth!

Yes he GOT US 4th!!! But its not like we dont have the players to compete!

Wigan was a prime example!


The wigan result happened last year at the lane against Stoke, Woles, Hull and Everton and this season it has happened again Vs Wigan and Man City!

I'm not saying sack the guy all I am saying is I cant see us moving to that next level with a Manager who sends out the same team every week with the same setup and ideas! So if we dont sack the manager and we dont spend money that we HAVE plenty of what is the answer?


:violin:

 

[Kendall]

We seem to have a lot of players who are not playing to the potential we have seen.

I don't think its a pure Redknapp failing, but its something that needs to be addressed ASAP.

When Palacios, Lennon, Kranjcar, Corluka, Pavlyuchenko and Defoe are on form, we look frightening, but for some reason, these players haven't been for some time now.

I'm not sure what the answer is really, these players haven't become shit over night, though the latter two have been plagued by inconsistency throught their Tottenham time.

 

[MattyP]

We've made an indifferent start but we are only three points off fourth, despite a horrendous injury list.

Unless we had Jesus as manager and he healed our injured players back to full fitness, I doubt anyone could have come up with a better team selection on Saturday.

I'm not 'Arry's biggest fan, but every team would struggle with the injuries we have had this season.

 

[kkemal]

We seem to have a lot of players who are not playing to the potential we have seen.

I don't think its a pure Redknapp failing, but its something that needs to be addressed ASAP.

When Palacios, Lennon, Kranjcar, Corluka, Pavlyuchenko and Defoe are on form, we look frightening, but for some reason, these players haven't been for some time now.

I'm not sure what the answer is really, these players haven't become shit over night, though the latter two have been plagued by inconsistency throught their Tottenham time.

Agree,

Kranjar looks very heavy at the min!

 

[kkemal]

We've made an indifferent start but we are only three points off fourth, despite a horrendous injury list.

Unless we had Jesus as manager and he healed our injured players back to full fitness, I doubt anyone could have come up with a better team selection on Saturday.

I'm not 'Arry's biggest fan, but every team would struggle with the injuries we have had this season.

Ok so why when Wigan come to the lane and pack the middle of the park with 5 do we keep on playing 442 and long balll to crouch??? why Didnt he change the shape.........answer me that please

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

After reading the OP are you sure you aren't saying sack the guy? :lol:

 

[Kendall]

Crouch went off at half time in that game mate...

He brought on Kranjcar and Pavlyuchenko (many teams would dream of being able to bring those two on) to enable us to get it on the deck and pass it around better. Unfortunately neither of these two players played anything like to their potential.

Why that is, I don't know. I was at the game and I was convinced we would be mor incicive with our passing with those two on the pitch. It wasn't a bad decision for me.

 

[Maske2g]

Whilst Redknapp has made a few funny decisions, I did feel a bit sorry for him with the lack of choice at the back on Saturday. I'm sure he would have had Bale on the left.

It's also not helping anyone that mainstays of the team last season, Palacios, Corluka, Lennon, every forward, are playing like absolute w4nkers.

 

[MattyP]

Ok so why when Wigan come to the lane and pack the middle of the park with 5 do we keep on playing 442 and long balll to crouch??? why Didnt he change the shape.........answer me that please

Probably because the formation/shape was actually working.

They did nothing of note for 75 minutes, their keeper was having a blinder and on another day we could and should have won.

 

[Maske2g]

Probably because the formation/shape was actually working.

They did nothing of note for 75 minutes, their keeper was having a blinder and on another day we could and should have won.

The Wigan keeper had a blinder? hmmm, I must have been at another game. Didn't excatly pepper him did we.

In fact, I remember them missing 2 open goals before scoring.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I post my response to you in the match ratings thread, but I have removed the personal jibes made between the two of us, as well as the Levy stuff... fresh thread and all that:

I have been saying since last season that Harry is out of his depth at spurs!!! Motivating people is one thing, tactically winning a game in the dressing room is a whole other equation!!

Yes we finished 4th!!! But had we beat wolves, stoke and hull at the lane last year we would have been 3rd!!! We lost those games cause we had no plan B, vs wigan 2 weeks ago we had no plan B!!!

In my opinion we have taken a step back from last season, take bale out of our team and defoe and we have no pace, lennon is playing his way into the reserves!!!

If he is so poor tactically, how did he see us completely outplay Chelsea last season, the team who were head and shoulders better than every other side in the league last season? How did we go 2-0 up before our goalkeeper had a single meaningful save (around the 80th minute) to make against Arsenal at home last season. How did we dominate a team, managed by a triple Italian league winning coach, who had the most expensive side in the league, home and away last season, and then again at home on the first day of this season? How, in our first ever away group game in the Champions League, did we put on an absolute masterclass against a really good side and look like running away with it until our left back had an absolute moment of madness?

Yes, there are examples of Harry getting it wrong tactically. There are also examples of Wenger, in some peoples opinion the best manager in the league, getting it wrong. Not sure if you noticed WBA going 3-0 up at the Emirates yesterday. Is he tactically not up to it? Is he out of his depth at Arsenal? There are more than enough examples, good examples in fact, of Harry Redknapp getting his selection and tactics spot on to suggest that a) He is very much in his element, and b) he is good enough tactically. You argue that had we won certain games last season we'd have been 3rd. How about other sides above us? Chelsea and Arsenal both lost to Wigan. Utd lost to Burnley. These are sides with managers who have done it all, and better players too, players who have played together far longer than ours have.

As for the lack of a plan B, we have not had much opportunity to really judge that because, thankfully, the team Harry has chosen has more often than not seen us take the lead in games. We have turned it around when going behind on a couple of the rare occasions that this has happened though. West Ham away last season, and Wolves home this season, are the examples I remember best. Beyond that, we managed to finish 4th last season despite missing Lennon for half the season, despite missing Modric for half the season, despite only having Bales form for the second half of the season, despite having to play several centre back combinations and several central midfield combinations because of our trouble with injuries, and despite Defoe missing a fair few games as well. That is not the hallmark of side who are run by a man with no plan B. We continued winning, and winning, and winning, with key players out of the side.

All in all, even with the current blip, Harry has shown himself to be up to task. How many sides can you name who would not struggle when their first choice 4 centre backs are injured, their best striker, and also having their most key midfielder in and out because of injury, while their best outlet is horribly off form.

Imagine Chelsea if you took our Terry, Alex, Ivanovic and they were forced to play Bosingwa at centre back, then Malouda goes horribly off form, Lampard struggles to stay in the side because of injuries and Drogba gets injured.

 

[Bobishism]

If he is so poor tactically, how did he see us completely outplay Chelsea last season

It's hardly rocket science. Wingers cause teams without wingers huge problems.

If he is so great tactically, how did Avram Grant trump him twice with inferior squads/teams?

 

[kkemal]

We have to stop talking about what we did last season, Last year is in the past!

Against Wigan we should have stayed tight at the back and not opened up and let in a soft goal, and like maske2g said they missed 2 open golas beofre they scored!

A point was still a point instead we lost all 3! That is the managers fault cause we never had a plan b! how can you expect to keep the ball against a 5 man midfield!! HENCE why at times at the lane you have to go 433/451/41311!!!

A top team like ours should not be losing against teams like Wolves, Stoke, Wigan!!!

 

[kkemal]

I post my response to you in the match ratings thread, but I have removed the personal jibes made between the two of us, as well as the Levy stuff... fresh thread and all that:



If he is so poor tactically, how did he see us completely outplay Chelsea last season, the team who were head and shoulders better than every other side in the league last season? How did we go 2-0 up before our goalkeeper had a single meaningful save (around the 80th minute) to make against Arsenal at home last season. How did we dominate a team, managed by a triple Italian league winning coach, who had the most expensive side in the league, home and away last season, and then again at home on the first day of this season? How, in our first ever away group game in the Champions League, did we put on an absolute masterclass against a really good side and look like running away with it until our left back had an absolute moment of madness?

Yes, there are examples of Harry getting it wrong tactically. There are also examples of Wenger, in some peoples opinion the best manager in the league, getting it wrong. Not sure if you noticed WBA going 3-0 up at the Emirates yesterday. Is he tactically not up to it? Is he out of his depth at Arsenal? There are more than enough examples, good examples in fact, of Harry Redknapp getting his selection and tactics spot on to suggest that a) He is very much in his element, and b) he is good enough tactically. You argue that had we won certain games last season we'd have been 3rd. How about other sides above us? Chelsea and Arsenal both lost to Wigan. Utd lost to Burnley. These are sides with managers who have done it all, and better players too, players who have played together far longer than ours have.

As for the lack of a plan B, we have not had much opportunity to really judge that because, thankfully, the team Harry has chosen has more often than not seen us take the lead in games. We have turned it around when going behind on a couple of the rare occasions that this has happened though. West Ham away last season, and Wolves home this season, are the examples I remember best. Beyond that, we managed to finish 4th last season despite missing Lennon for half the season, despite missing Modric for half the season, despite only having Bales form for the second half of the season, despite having to play several centre back combinations and several central midfield combinations because of our trouble with injuries, and despite Defoe missing a fair few games as well. That is not the hallmark of side who are run by a man with no plan B. We continued winning, and winning, and winning, with key players out of the side.

All in all, even with the current blip, Harry has shown himself to be up to task. How many sides can you name who would not struggle when their first choice 4 centre backs are injured, their best striker, and also having their most key midfielder in and out because of injury, while their best outlet is horribly off form.

Imagine Chelsea if you took our Terry, Alex, Ivanovic and they were forced to play Bosingwa at centre back, then Malouda goes horribly off form, Lampard struggles to stay in the side because of injuries and Drogba gets injured.

You cant compare HR to Wenger!!! How many times have The Scum lost at home to Shite teams!!

And a manager that is in charge of a prem club chould have a plan b, he should be able to make a few changes in a game and change the shape!!! it's textbook level 3 coaching!!!

 

[MattyP]

You cant compare HR to Wenger!!! How many times have The Scum lost at home to Shite teams!!

And a manager that is in charge of a prem club chould have a plan b, he should be able to make a few changes in a game and change the shape!!! it's textbook level 3 coaching!!!

Are you being serious?

You are saying that a manager who has been in the game for I don't know, 20 years has no plan b and is therefore worse than textbook level 3 coaching?

 

[Coyboy]

We have to stop talking about what we did last season, Last year is in the past!

Against Wigan we should have stayed tight at the back and not opened up and let in a soft goal, and like maske2g said they missed 2 open golas beofre they scored!

A point was still a point instead we lost all 3! That is the managers fault cause we never had a plan b! how can you expect to keep the ball against a 5 man midfield!! HENCE why at times at the lane you have to go 433/451/41311!!!

A top team like ours should not be losing against teams like Wolves, Stoke, Wigan!!!

Yes but you asked is Redknapp a poor tactician? As this season is in its infancy, last season is a pretty good starting point. If you had been more specific and asked has Redknapp made tactical blunders this season, people wouldn't go back to last year but because what you said was so generic- it got the response it deserved.

The last line is correct but then to counter that, a top team shouldn't lose to a team like West Brom; a team going for the league should not lose and concede so many chances to a team below them (Chelsea last year); a team going for the league should not lose to Wigan (Chelsea) or Burnley (United) or a team bottom of the table (Liverpool at home two seasons ago) etc etc etc.

 

[SpurSince57]

TicTacs. Mmmmm.

 

[kkemal]

Are you being serious?

You are saying that a manager who has been in the game for I don't know, 20 years has no plan b and is therefore worse than textbook level 3 coaching?

So what was our plan b against Wigan? What was our plan b against Man City, what was our plan B against Wolves?

We beat Wolves cause Hutton came on, BUT Hutton coming on was not cause Harry fancied him it was a forced change!!

I'm saying that HR aint got a clue how to win games if Plan A isnt working!!! And how many coaches do we have on the bench as well?? KB, JJ???

 

[kkemal]

Yes but you asked is Redknapp a poor tactician? As this season is in its infancy, last season is a pretty good starting point. If you had been more specific and asked has Redknapp made tactical blunders this season, people wouldn't go back to last year but because what you said was so generic- it got the response it deserved.

The last line is correct but then to counter that, a top team shouldn't lose to a team like West Brom; a team going for the league should not lose and concede so many chances to a team below them (Chelsea last year); a team going for the league should not lose to Wigan (Chelsea) or Burnley (United) or a team bottom of the table (Liverpool at home two seasons ago) etc etc etc.

JESUS Christ!!!! STOP Putting us in the same Bracket as teams that have won the EPL, WON THE FA CUP and play in THE CL for FUN!!!!

I hate the Gooner Scum more than anyone but i hate them cause of their fans.........Do i rate Wenger...........MMMMMMM YES!!!!! Do i think they play football not to far off from Barca?.....mmmmmm YES!!!!

 

[Kendall]

That footballing lesson they got from Barca suggests otherwise.