Is Roy Hodgson a footballing dinosaur?

[WalkerboyUK]

I assume he has the same amount of time with his players as other international managers. Look at how well Italy works as a team, their manager understands tactics.

It probably helped that he was able to pick a back 3 and keeper that all play together at club level.
They have an understanding developed over years of playing together, rather than a 10 day get together every 3 months.
If you can get the foundations of a team that is solid, you can gamble with the rest of it.
There's a unity and spirit in that squad.

Our players are too busy worrying about their Gilette/Head & Shoulders/Adidas/Nike adverts...
Our squad was a bunch of individuals.

 

[Mullers]

I assume he has the same amount of time with his players as other international managers. Look at how well Italy works as a team, their manager understands tactics.

But the skillset of the Italian players is way above the English players.

 

[Mullers]

That's not the point and I think you know it's not.

I just think it's a little bit like asking the guy to turn water into wine. How can he motivate a squad that is not motivated to reach a quarter final? The players need to look at themselves for that, they have to take some responsibility.

 

[Mullers]

Manager is probably the wrong term for an international manager. Coach might be more apt as that is what they should do in the time they have with the international team. I don't think he is a bad manager albeit his Liverpool tenure was atrocious but perhaps as a coach he needed better staff than ray lewington and gary neville to help get his ideas across.

I think Lexington is an OK coach very experienced, did OK at fulham and and knows Roy well. With Neville he has been getting a lot of plaudits for his punditry, I guess he was just trying to give him experience with the view that he may go on to be England coach one day.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The ability to organise, motivate and fill players full of confidence so they can play to their full potential - these are things a manger is paid for. And Hodgson doesn't seem to be able to do any of these. He should have been sacked after the World Cup.

Has any of our managers been able to do this? Certainly in my lifetime of watching England every manager bar possibly Venables and Robson have been absolutely been panned by the press and fans as clueless - and even they were until they reached semi-finals - maybe the players just aren't as good as they are hyped up to be? maybe there are massive flaws in the way we develop English players. Woy certainly has to take his fair share of the blame but we've been here before and we will be here again until something changes in the way we develop young players in this country.

 

[dudu]

I just think it's a little bit like asking the guy to turn water into wine. How can he motivate a squad that is not motivated to reach a quarter final? The players need to look at themselves for that, they have to take some responsibility.

Of course they do but a big percentage of the job the manager is required to do at international level is to galvanize the team.

Roy was not a capable International manager - This is now an undeniable fact.

 

[sparx100]

But the skillset of the Italian players is way above the English players.

Bang on. I have never seen a top quality team live before and I saw Germany control Slovakia (as you would expect). But there was more to it. Every player knew their job. The players had amazing control so one touch passing worked which never allowed Slovakia to settle. They moved in groups for the ball so the player on the ball had options. You compare that to England who were very reactive in their play and ponderous. Our control was horrendous and passing tepid at best.

It was a real eye opener for me and a real memory to see such a good team but also a reminder than England need to do more than run around a lot to progress within a tournament.

 

[idontgetit]

Neither Walker or Rose had great games yesterday and it wasnt down to Dier going off. Take your point completely that Dier does give them the free reign to go forward but we werent needing his role yesterday so imo was the right substitution.

The problem was our central midfield was non existent. Dier was a 3rd centre back, Rooney has not played central midfield role and did not make the space to receive the ball and just looked for long switch passes across the pitch and Alli was not bring played in a natural position.

The problem with Roy was he decided on shoe-horning players into his first 11 and not the players most suited to the formation.

Agree and disagree. It's both. Walker especially was far more involved while Dier was on the pitch. When Dier drops deep the fullbacks can move up and join the midfield. Dier though should have had a proper box to box midfielder next to him (which we have in Wilshere and Henderson) and a creative attacking forward (Lallana) on the left or right, drifting in between the lines.

 

[Dougal]

The lack of respect for Hodgson is pitiful yet unsurprising. Dear old Bobby Robson suffered it too yet in hindsight he was rightly appreciated. Hodgson is as educated an Englishman in football as you are likely to get. But he's not very charismatic, old and he has a speech impediment. Therefore, people think he's an easy target. That's just bollocks.

Or he might just be shit.

 

[nailsy]

It probably helped that he was able to pick a back 3 and keeper that all play together at club level.
They have an understanding developed over years of playing together, rather than a 10 day get together every 3 months.
If you can get the foundations of a team that is solid, you can gamble with the rest of it.
There's a unity and spirit in that squad.

Our players are too busy worrying about their Gilette/Head & Shoulders/Adidas/Nike adverts...
Our squad was a bunch of individuals.

I agree with the first bit. It also helps that Conte was manager of those players at club level.

I don't think the bit about players worrying about their commercial activities is fair though. Italian players will also have sponsors, etc. and it wasn't lack of pride or passion that let us down, it was the lack of a clear game plan that messed us up.

 

[kungfugrip]

He's experienced as they come really managing in England, Switzerland, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, UAE etc.
Also reached two UEFA Cup finals with Inter and Fulham.
But his record at Tournaments with England is poor and last night was awful. It wasn't as massive a shock though as the media are making out. This Iceland team beat the Netherlands home and away in qualifying, and we all know you don't qualify unless you are a good outfit. Iceland are ranked 34th in the world, not 134th in the world......it doesn't matter how many pro clubs they've got, what their population is, or how many volcanos they've got as Lineker mentioned. What matters is how good they are..... and the answer is.....pretty decent actually.

 

[Metalhead]

Or he might just be shit.

I've lost any respect for Hodgson after that press conference yesterday. Unbelievable that he thought that his little resignation speech would be enough and that he shouldn't have to face the press. A man of his experience should have known better than that. Must have been more going on behind the scenes than we know about.

 

[double0]

You can't argue with Hodgson experience he is more than qualified to manage England. I thought Hodgson failed like all before in playing out of form players along with positionally putting players in unforminular areas.

I don't totally blame Hodgson the players are pussies they visibly looked lost on the pitch, it's so an England and in a side way A Tottenham thing.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

You can't argue with Hodgson experience he is more than qualified to manage England. I thought Hodgson failed like all before in playing out of form players along with positionally putting players in unforminular areas.

I don't totally blame Hodgson the players are pussies they visibly looked lost on the pitch, it's so an England and in a side way A Tottenham thing.

To paraphrase Eric Morecambe, he was playing some of the right notes, but definitely not in the right order. I'd expect a manager/coach of an international team to put players in the right positions, and install a system they can work with.

 

[mightyspur]

To paraphrase Eric Morecambe, he was playing some of the right notes, but definitely not in the right order. I'd expect a manager/coach of an international team to put players in the right positions, and install a system they can work with.

You would think it is quite simple wouldn't you? Play players that play week in week out in a position they are familiar with, rather than who you perceive to be the best player that 'could' play in that position.

 

[David St Hubbins]

He's experienced as they come really managing in England, Switzerland, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, UAE etc.
Also reached two UEFA Cup finals with Inter and Fulham.
But his record at Tournaments with England is poor and last night was awful. It wasn't as massive a shock though as the media are making out. This Iceland team beat the Netherlands home and away in qualifying, and we all know you don't qualify unless you are a good outfit. Iceland are ranked 34th in the world, not 134th in the world......it doesn't matter how many pro clubs they've got, what their population is, or how many volcanos they've got as Lineker mentioned. What matters is how good they are..... and the answer is.....pretty decent actually.

The problem was that he's won nothing of note except domestic trophies i've never heard of, 2 European finals which he lost both, couldn't cut it at Liverpool, on top of that if you check his playing career it's worse than his managing one...never played in the top flight & only at non league.
If you're in a position to be picking an England manager are they honestly saying they looked at his c.v. and thought "definitely top of the list"...it explains a lot why we have nothing to show for 50 years.

 

[kungfugrip]

The problem was that he's won nothing of note except domestic trophies i've never heard of, 2 European finals which he lost both, couldn't cut it at Liverpool, on top of that if you check his playing career it's worse than his managing one...never played in the top flight & only at non league.
If you're in a position to be picking an England manager are they honestly saying they looked at his c.v. and thought "definitely top of the list"...it explains a lot why we have nothing to show for 50 years.

But picking the guys with the best CVs hasn't worked either.... e.g. Capello and Sven. Nothing has worked, and nothing will work. England will remain in the second tier of international football.

 

[nailsy]

The problem was that he's won nothing of note except domestic trophies i've never heard of, 2 European finals which he lost both, couldn't cut it at Liverpool, on top of that if you check his playing career it's worse than his managing one...never played in the top flight & only at non league.
If you're in a position to be picking an England manager are they honestly saying they looked at his c.v. and thought "definitely top of the list"...it explains a lot why we have nothing to show for 50 years.

If we're only going to look at English managers that have won something we're going to have a very short list of candidates. Steve McClaren springs to mind, but I can't think of anyone else. I think his appointment made a lot of sense at the time. He'd already been manager of a national side and had a lot of success with them by taking them to third in the world rankings and qualifying for two major tournaments. And there weren't too many other candidates other than Redknapp who probably scared the FA senseless with all of his comments to the media and his recent court case.