ITK S.LondonSpurs on FTL- Berba 80% staying

[DC_Boy]

Mate, if Man U made decisions in the way you imply they wouldn't be the top team in the country, in fact they'd be more like Leeds Utd, lol. Now if Utd were crying out for a striker/CF then i can see Berbatov of last year tempting them. As it is they have Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo, with Saha waiting in the wings and a host of other attacking players. If they invest £20m plus in a player this summer it will be on the next Wayne Rooney or Christiano Ronaldo. It categorically won't be on Berbatov. That goes double after the woeful displays of petulance we've seen this season, if a player had a temperament farther from what SAF looks for I've yet to see it.

Liverpool spent a fortune on Torres because he was worth it. He's shown how amazing he is this season and he's still under 25. Berbatov with his attitude brings half the amount to his team's table that Torres does to his team's.

As for City... well that's a joke right? Isn't it??

Berbs brings at least as much product to a team as Torres - check the goals, assists and crucial roles (pre-assists if you like) that Berbs gives us - to what Torres gives Pool

re Man City - Berbs won't go there (IMO) - but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd spend £20m+ on him

face it Sloth - you just don't get how good Berbs is

luckily some of us do :wink:

 

[sloth]

Berbs brings at least as much product to a team as Torres - check the goals, assists and crucial roles (pre-assists if you like) that Berbs gives us - to what Torres gives Pool

re Man City - Berbs won't go there (IMO) - but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd spend £20m+ on him

face it Sloth - you just don't get how good Berbs is

luckily some of us do :wink:

See I work for a sports rating company and if we only rated the positive we'd be out of business.

I remember for a while we paid a couple of guys commission only. They got a slice of what they won and nothing if we lost. Now if I'd just looked at the occasions they won, I'd have hand-cuffed them to their desks and never have let them leave. But of course I'm paid to look at the whole picture and for all that they were responsible for some spectacular wins, their losses were just as spectacular and in the round they were the most expensive employees we had.

Now, I'm not asking you to compare my scenario like for like, I'm not suggesting Berbatov has been responsible for any spectacular losses, in fact he has definitely inspired us to some spectacularly good performances this season and especially last. What i am saying is that if you look at player like berbatov in the round, the good and the bad (not just the good as you would have it), he's not worth the kind of money it would take to persuade us to part with him. He's not worth to any club the money Liverpool spent on Torres. and while at his best he's a match for the Spaniard at his worst (and in that i mean his attitude and what that does to the team), he's a hundred times poorer.

It's for this reason I stand by my assertion (an assertion you and his other biggest fans should take comfort from) that he won't be going anywhere this summer. We have him for another season at least and with Ramos at the helm it will be Berbatov's just as much as the rest of the team's chance to show they have what it takes to be genuine contenders for the big prizes.

 

[Defsta]

If 80% of him stays - what 20% (or one fifth) oh him will we see playing elsewhere?

His genitals playing with Italian or Spanish girls :shrug:

 

[lily_lane]

It's for this reason I stand by my assertion (an assertion you and his other biggest fans should take comfort from) that he won't be going anywhere this summer. We have him for another season at least and with Ramos at the helm it will be Berbatov's just as much as the rest of the team's chance to show they have what it takes to be genuine contenders for the big prizes.

Why should we take comfort from that? :duh:

Who wants an unhappy player in the ranks? Certainly not Ramos, he's already said so.
Having refused to accept a bid from SAF last Summer for Berba, with his head already having been turned, and proven his worth as a top quality player, against the top 4 teams and in Europe, I suggest it would be very unwise for the club to block a move this Summer. Clearly the player wants to leave. Levy should facilitate an amicable move acceptable to both parties asap. We should then move on and buy new players for next season.
Any talk of making him languish in the Reserves will do nothing for our reputation as a club, and absolutely nothing to attract future players from Europe. Why would they come here to be treated like that? We don't pay top dollar anyway, so it isn't for that reason. He's given us 2 years. He's 27. We're still not in the CL. Allow him to move on, don't make it ugly.

 

[senseispab]

^^ Agree 100%

Let's act with some class for a change.

 

[alfiespurs]

Spot on Lily Lane ! I never trusted him, when we first signed him... Ah well, lets get Peter Crouch back !

 

[dcarney75]

Berba leaving would be a shame but not the end of the world.

I'd like to see what Ramos would do with a nice transfer kitty. A couple of midfielders and a proven centre-half would likely make us a much better side, with or without the deer-faced Bulgar wizard (only joshing Berba, if you're reading this).

 

[matjcole]

All in all I think that if we got another GK in and someone better for Midfield to compliment JJ, the confidence would spread through the team and we'd improve massively. Also I'd like to see Chimbonda go, he's just lazy.

My worry, we'll buy someone with a left foot and that'll be the end of Steed!

My best thought is that of Bale being back next season, and having some nice balance again. He was quality in the games he played for us, can't wait to see him again!

 

[Kendall]

Torres does great things but he has the support of one of the best CM in the world.

Berbatov does more than Torres and he's pretty much out on his own

 

[Kendall]

He's given us 2 years. He's 27. We're still not in the CL. Allow him to move on, don't make it ugly.

I'm sorry but there's no room for sentiment here.

We paid £10.9m for him, we took a risk on him, we've paid him upwards of £25k pw for 2 years, we helped raise his profile & we own his contract, he will play for us untill we're good and ready to sell him.

I've been sick of Spurs being a selling club, I'm glad we've finally got the ruthlessness and financial backing to be able to sell on our own terms. If a team outside of the PL wants to pay upwards of £30m for him, then fine, but not a penny less. Berbatov is a professional and he should honour his contract with THFC.

 

[Coyboy]

Clearly the player wants to leave. .

Based on?

 

[nickspurs]

I'm sorry but there's no room for sentiment here.

We paid £10.9m for him, we took a risk on him, we've paid him upwards of £25k pw for 2 years, we helped raise his profile & we own his contract, he will play for us untill we're good and ready to sell him.

I've been sick of Spurs being a selling club, I'm glad we've finally got the ruthlessness and financial backing to be able to sell on our own terms. If a team outside of the PL wants to pay upwards of £30m for him, then fine, but not a penny less. Berbatov is a professional and he should honour his contract with THFC.

:clap:

 

[PantherX]

I'm assuming that Berba will leave this summer. If it doesn't pan out then I can be pleasantly surprised.

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi Sloth - fair comments - as ever time will tell -

we've put our valuations on the table - let's see what happens

of course if Berbs stays - you might claim a moral 'valuation victory' but you know I won't accept without 100% ITK proof

 

[davros]

I'm sorry but there's no room for sentiment here.

We paid £10.9m for him, we took a risk on him, we've paid him upwards of £25k p/w for 2 years, we helped raise his profile & we own his contract, he will play for us until we're good and ready to sell him.

I've been sick of Spurs being a selling club, I'm glad we've finally got the ruthlessness and financial backing to be able to sell on our own terms. If a team outside of the PL wants to pay upwards of £30m for him, then fine, but not a penny less. Berbatov is a professional and he should honour his contract with THFC.

Bloody hell Kendall, when my woman speaks to me in that tone of voice I know I'm her bitch for the night!

Well said though.. He doesn't have the divine right to play in the CL, but I really hope he gets the chance in our colours.

 

[AirTito]

Bloody hell Kendall, when my woman speaks to me in that tone of voice I know I'm her bitch for the night!

Well said though.. He doesn't have the divine right to play in the CL, but I really hope he gets the chance in our colours.

couldnt have said it better myself

 

[guiltyparty]

I'm sorry but there's no room for sentiment here.

We paid £10.9m for him, we took a risk on him, we've paid him upwards of £25k pw for 2 years, we helped raise his profile & we own his contract, he will play for us untill we're good and ready to sell him.

I've been sick of Spurs being a selling club, I'm glad we've finally got the ruthlessness and financial backing to be able to sell on our own terms. If a team outside of the PL wants to pay upwards of £30m for him, then fine, but not a penny less. Berbatov is a professional and he should honour his contract with THFC.

All well and good, but that won't happen.

In the real world, the players have all the power. I'm sick of Spurs being a selling a club too and completely empathise with your sentiments, but in our position we don't really have any choice. He will go and it will be for less than £30m.

As you say, there's no time for sentiment. Unfortunately, that will be Berbatov's view too

Oh and: "We've paid him 25K a week for two years" - reminding him of that will DEFINITELY make him leave, that's peanuts compared to most top players

 

[Kendall]

All well and good, but that won't happen.

In the real world, the players have all the power. I'm sick of Spurs being a selling a club too and completely empathise with your sentiments, but in our position we don't really have any choice. He will go and it will be for less than £30m.

As you say, there's no time for sentiment. Unfortunately, that will be Berbatov's view too

Oh and: "We've paid him 25K a week for two years" - reminding him of that will DEFINITELY make him leave, that's peanuts compared to most top players

A lot more than he was on at Leverkusen & we helped him get the profile he's now got.

Players may have power, but ultimately what Tottenham says goes imo. Arsenal didn't want to sell us Diarra, so they sold him to Pompey. United would never sell Heinze to Liverpool, they went to court over it & eventually sold him to Real Madrid.

Players may have the power to be able force a departure, but if we're to be taken seriously we need to exercise the power to make it on our terms and what's best for THFC.

 

[guiltyparty]

A lot more than he was on at Leverkusen & we helped him get the profile he's now got.

He won't think like that though. He will think he raised his own profile and would have done wherever he'd gone and arguably he's right. He wasn't wasting away at Leverkusen, if we hadn't bought him another big-ish club would have.

Players may have power, but ultimately what Tottenham says goes imo. Arsenal didn't want to sell us Diarra, so they sold him to Pompey. United would never sell Heinze to Liverpool, they went to court over it & eventually sold him to Real Madrid.

We are not Arsenal or Man U. The Carrick deal set a precedent, we shouldn't have sold him to a 'rival', but we did.

Players may have the power to be able force a departure, but if we're to be taken seriously we need to exercise the power to make it on our terms and what's best for THFC.

100% agree. But I don't believe it will happen. I believe the dollar signs will be too appealing to Levy, whoever it is that's chucking them his way

 

[DC_Boy]

we're not a selling club - never have been under Levy - rarely have been in our proud history - certainly rarely in the past 60 years

we are a trading club -

incidentally we didn't sell Carrick to a rival - we sold him to Man U

in no realistic sense are we rivals to Man U - haven't been for the past 10 years - maybe longer

if Berbs goes then if we can get significantly more from Man U than from the continent - fine by me

I don't want him to go to CFC cos it's a London club and I don't like CFC anyway - tho it would make me smile if CFC bought him for £25m+ and all those people on here who've been downrating Berbs and saying he ain't worth that much and he's this and he's that - well I can imagine forum wars breaking out on here cos I'll still saying Berbs is good even if he is playing for CFC - providing he is playing good - which he will do cos the bloke is class and a lot of people don't seem to fully realise it (IMHO