ITK S.LondonSpurs on FTL- Berba 80% staying

[guiltyparty]

we're not a selling club - never have been under Levy - rarely have been in our proud history - certainly rarely in the past 60 years

Carrick, Gascoigne, Sheringham, Waddle. All sold when a bit of cash was flashed. Sure there's more. The simple fact is we haven't had that many highly sought after players under Levy's reign who could stay fit.

incidentally we didn't sell Carrick to a rival - we sold him to Man U

in no realistic sense are we rivals to Man U - haven't been for the past 10 years - maybe longer

if Berbs goes then if we can get significantly more from Man U than from the continent - fine by me

Fair enough. Seems to matter a lot of people on here, so i was putting it in perspective. Some would argue that we're aspiring to get into the Top 4, they're in the Top 4, so they are, by definition, a rival. They are far further ahead of us now than they were, say, two years ago, and we contributed to that by giving them Carrick. If we're just going to assume that they're in a different league so it doesn't matter, we'll never get anywhere

 

[DC_Boy]

Carrick, Gascoigne, Sheringham, Waddle. All sold when a bit of cash was flashed. Sure there's more. The simple fact is we haven't had that many highly sought after players under Levy's reign who could stay fit.

The only player sold under Levy was Carrick and we don't know the ins and outs but in no sense did we need to sell him for financial reasons - hence as I say under Levy we have never been a selling club - we got a great price for Carrick and there's a lot of controversy about the rest

as for the others yes for a while as I indicated we could have been regarded as a seliing club - hence my careful use of words - rarely in the past 60 years

if you look at the situ tho - Gazza had a lot of injury and attitude problems - maybe it was good biz - as far as I know Sheringham wwanted to go - that's nothing to do with being a selling club if he did - yes from what I know selling Waddle was the mark of a selling club and as I've indicated there was a period we could be regarded as such - but not under Levy so far - we're a trading club

 

[senseispab]

Sonned by Guiltyparty!

 

[bubble07]

Berbatov must stay. It doesn't matter if we get 25m, 30m or 35m. We sold carrick when we could have said no and he has sorely been missed ever since. Just imagine how badly missed 50 goals and 30 direct assists would be? There is not another striker in World football that would ever be able to have stats lik that after 2 seasons.

I would feel very let down if he was sold this summer. If we don't get top 4 next season then he should definately go. I just want him to stay and see wha develops in Ramos' first season

If the club is way off 4th in January he can go but not this summer. Levy and that dick head agent should agree to do a deal whereby if we are not challenging 4th place come January he can leave for an agreed fee of around 22-22m

 

[theShiznit]

On SSN the back of the Sunday People, they seem to suggest that Berba "thinks" he will be playing his football at Chelsea next season...

His agent must truly be delusional if that's the case (You'll never play in England...again :wink i'm sure we'd rather take a hit of £8M than sell to another English team.

 

[guiltyparty]

The only player sold under Levy was Carrick and we don't know the ins and outs but in no sense did we need to sell him for financial reasons - hence as I say under Levy we have never been a selling club - we got a great price for Carrick and there's a lot of controversy about the rest

as for the others yes for a while as I indicated we could have been regarded as a seliing club - hence my careful use of words - rarely in the past 60 years

if you look at the situ tho - Gazza had a lot of injury and attitude problems - maybe it was good biz - as far as I know Sheringham wwanted to go - that's nothing to do with being a selling club if he did - yes from what I know selling Waddle was the mark of a selling club and as I've indicated there was a period we could be regarded as such - but not under Levy so far - we're a trading club

Word it how you want, bud. We get offered cash, we take it . That's the way it goes.

What's the fact that Sheringham wanted to go got to do with it? The player ALWAYS wants to go, its the spurs man thats the question.

 

[guiltyparty]

On SSN the back of the Sunday People, they seem to suggest that Berba "thinks" he will be playing his football at Chelsea next season...

His agent must truly be delusional if that's the case (You'll never play in England...again :wink i'm sure we'd rather take a hit of £8M than sell to another English team.

If we are offered 30M by chelsea and 22m by milan we will sell to chelsea. anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional

 

[DC_Boy]

Word it how you want, bud. We get offered cash, we take it . That's the way it goes.

What's the fact that Sheringham wanted to go got to do with it? The player ALWAYS wants to go, its the spurs man thats the question.

Hi GP - the way I word it is absolutely essential because it shows we are not a selling club

taking cash for a player doesn't make you a selling club - if that's the case then Man U and CFC are selling clubs and the term becomes meaningless with reagrd to the way it is normally meant

when discussing with words the meaning and use of them are of paramount importance

 

[Stoof]

I'm 80% sure that you can't put a percentage on how sure you are of something.

Yeah, detangle that.

 

[nickspurs]

If we are offered 30M by chelsea and 22m by milan we will sell to chelsea. anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional

I disagree. It's a bit simplistic to compare £30M with £22M (if we use those numbers for the sake of arguement).

Levy like any good businessman will evaluate the benefits of:

a) selling him to another aspiring CL-placed team in the PL (i.e. Chelsea) bringing in £30M vs.
b) selling him to a club who can't impact our CL qualifying chances for £22M

If Chelsea lose Drogba, Lambard, fire Grant and hire a manager who doesn't settle (all discussed in the press and possible) then Chelski could be the side to struggle a bit next season. I'd forego £8M to overtake Chelski. You've also got to invest that extra £8M wisely to make the difference which is easier said than done. Net net I'd rather not give my best player to a rival.

At some point the differential would be too big not to sell to Chelski but who knows what it would need to be for Levy. I'm just not so sure £8M is cut and dry.

Of course with that I assume Levy places CL qualification is the top football priority each season. Anyone who disagrees with that is delusional :wink:

 

[guiltyparty]

Hi GP - the way I word it is absolutely essential because it shows we are not a selling club

taking cash for a player doesn't make you a selling club - if that's the case then Man U and CFC are selling clubs and the term becomes meaningless with reagrd to the way it is normally meant

when discussing with words the meaning and use of them are of paramount importance

Yes and no. Words can be used to dress up situations to sound different to how they are. "We're not a selling club, we're a trading club." It's just PR spin. Like how now the club is very cleverly letting Ramos say, "I need to sell to buy," which will eventually become the excuse for flogging Berbatov. It's all calculated.

For the most part, I'm actually just playing devil's advocate. But at the end of the day, we haven't had many top players that bigger teams covet, for various reasons. But when we have, we've sold them. People can dress that up how they want, but it's true.

 

[guiltyparty]

I disagree. It's a bit simplistic to compare £30M with £22M (if we use those numbers for the sake of arguement).

Levy like any good businessman will evaluate the benefits of:

a) selling him to another aspiring CL-placed team in the PL (i.e. Chelsea) bringing in £30M vs.
b) selling him to a club who can't impact our CL qualifying chances for £22M

If Chelsea lose Drogba, Lambard, fire Grant and hire a manager who doesn't settle (all discussed in the press and possible) then Chelski could be the side to struggle a bit next season. I'd forego £8M to overtake Chelski. You've also got to invest that extra £8M wisely to make the difference which is easier said than done. Net net I'd rather not give my best player to a rival.

At some point the differential would be too big not to sell to Chelski but who knows what it would need to be for Levy. I'm just not so sure £8M is cut and dry.

Of course with that I assume Levy places CL qualification is the top football priority each season. Anyone who disagrees with that is delusional :wink:

Hehe, nice. And I completely agree with your breakdown. But I don't think that's what will happen. At this moment in time, with ENIC very much sounding out potential buyers, I just think its dollar signs all the way. The long-term future of the club is not as paramount as it once was as it almost certainly won't be ENIC in the driving seat.

 

[DC_Boy]

Yes and no. Words can be used to dress up situations to sound different to how they are. "We're not a selling club, we're a trading club." It's just PR spin. Like how now the club is very cleverly letting Ramos say, "I need to sell to buy," which will eventually become the excuse for flogging Berbatov. It's all calculated.

For the most part, I'm actually just playing devil's advocate. But at the end of the day, we haven't had many top players that bigger teams covet, for various reasons. But when we have, we've sold them. People can dress that up how they want, but it's true.

fair comments GP and yes our board aren't averse to spin - quite often turns out to be a no ball that gets hit for six by the meja- but that's another story

 

[senseispab]

I'm 80% sure that you can't put a percentage on how sure you are of something.

Yeah, detangle that.

66.3% recurring of me agrees with this statement

 

[sloth]

I wouldn't be unhappy if Chelsea decide they want to buy. It'll give us the chance to bump the price up and also maybe do a deal on other players leaving Stamford Bridge, now and in the future.

 

[DC_Boy]

I wouldn't be unhappy if Chelsea decide they want to buy. It'll give us the chance to bump the price up and also maybe do a deal on other players leaving Stamford Bridge, now and in the future.

well remember the valuation you put on Berbs, Sloth - what was it £18/20m? remember mine £25m+ - we'll see who's closest

Here's a quote from earlier

Each in turn then. Dc first.

I don't think Chelsea will be going for a player like Berbatov. He's too hot and cold. Maybe if they could get him for around £15m, but I'd be surprised if we entertained offers from them of less than £25m and for that money they're almost certain to look elsewhere.

and another

Ok, a simple question: name one club with the money and the desire who'd be prepared to pay £20m plus for Berba? Think about it and provide the reasons.

so how much do you think Berbs will fetch on the open market given from various quotes you've made about berbs that you don't seem to rate him much

 

[Lucky22]

I've been thinking a lot about this potential move and this is what I've come up with.

United - He knows he won't walk right into the team and will have to work his arse off. With their plethora of attacking talent, will they want to spend that huge level of cash on a player they don't need.

Chelsea - They have the money and the attraction of staying in London. But they prefer work horses and pit ponies to through breds like Berbs. Their footballing style is all wrong and I think he'll look at that. A management change may alter this, but don't think it'll happen.

Liverpool - Unless the Arabs jump in quickly it ain't happening. Their first priority will be a new stadium.

Outside the Premier League, you have Real Madrid (a possibility), Inter (If Jose goes there, they'll just be like Chelsea (see above)), Barca (changes afoot there) and AC (no CL football).

So, as much as he and/or his agent want to engineer a deal (and I don't think Berbs has made up his mind yet) is the interest out there for such a big money move? I don't think so.
Ramos won't stand for any nonsense, so that's a plus and by slapping such a huge price on him we are making our intentions known that he can go, but only at a huge price.
Conclusion: Berbs stays at the Lane and blasts us to the title!

 

[Darrkespur]

I agree Lucky22. Inter especially I can't see happening, as I said in the Ronaldinho thread, Berbatov is far too similar to Ibrahimovic for it to be worth plonking £25Million down on Berba.

 

[sloth]

well remember the valuation you put on Berbs, Sloth - what was it £18/20m? remember mine £25m+ - we'll see who's closest

Here's a quote from earlier



and another


so how much do you think Berbs will fetch on the open market given from various quotes you've made about berbs that you don't seem to rate him much

DC, I'm merely commentating on a post quoting a newspaper story (The Sunday People lol) regards supposed interest in Berbatov from Chelsea. I made no comment on the likelihood that the story's true (although it's almost certainly made up (and before you jump on me, I'll just point out that something can be made up but, coincidentally, true )).

As you so helpfully pointed out I happen to think it's very unlikely that Chelsea or anyone else with the money to prise him from us as well as the prestige to tempt him will be interested in buying him. I think this for all the reasons I've argued previously.

I note elsewhere you commentating on how underrated Berbatov is by some. I know I've clashed with you on this issue so I'll take the liberty of assuming I'm one of those people so accused. But I rate Berbatov and rate him highly. The mistaken assumption that you make is that anyone who rates him less highly than yourself is by this very fact under-rating him, lol. This reminds me of certain Egyptian supporters, late of SC now I believe hanging around, to the great amusement of members I'm sure, the Boro boards proclaiming loudly how under valued their hero is and how once he's fit and lost a bit of weight and shown a bit of love he will quite literally prove himself the second coming of the Lord or whoever it is they believe must come again.

 

[DC_Boy]

DC, I'm merely commentating on a post quoting a newspaper story (The Sunday People lol) regards supposed interest in Berbatov from Chelsea. I made no comment on the likelihood that the story's true (although it's almost certainly made up (and before you jump on me, I'll just point out that something can be made up but, coincidentally, true )).

As you so helpfully pointed out I happen to think it's very unlikely that Chelsea or anyone else with the money to prise him from us as well as the prestige to tempt him will be interested in buying him. I think this for all the reasons I've argued previously.

I note elsewhere you commentating on how underrated Berbatov is by some. I know I've clashed with you on this issue so I'll take the liberty of assuming I'm one of those people so accused. But I rate Berbatov and rate him highly. The mistaken assumption that you make is that anyone who rates him less highly than yourself is by this very fact under-rating him, lol. This reminds me of certain Egyptian supporters, late of SC now I believe hanging around, to the great amusement of members I'm sure, the Boro boards proclaiming loudly how under valued their hero is and how once he's fit and lost a bit of weight and shown a bit of love he will quite literally prove himself the second coming of the Lord or whoever it is they believe must come again.

Hi sloth - well I'm sorry but I don't think you do rate Berbs very highly or have a strange way of showing it- some of the things you've said about Berbs on this thread alone don't seem to show youas rating him very highly

I'm certainly not making the mistake you accuse me of - you're making the mistake by accusing me of making that mistake