It's the Euros 2020! Finals Match Thread: It’s gone to Rome…

[sidford]

As an Irish man I find it unbelievable the shit that the English press give Kane. He is head & shoulders above any other English player and after Southgate setting up the team so poorly yesterday and Kane getting no chances the press hammer him?! I just can't get my head around the abuse he's getting from the press and questioning him. The team created sod all yet the story is about Kane?! Unreal

 

[dondo]

It's been a long time since I've seen such a bunch of nasty, intimidating, violent, bigoted, racist group of ****s at the football. Real fucking throwback. 20k of Scotland's worst coming to London solely to cause trouble and scream about how much they hate their hosts. I always wanted the home nations to do well, but right now the feeling's mutual. Fuck off home, vote indy, leave us alone, put up that wall and choke on your haggis.

It’s always the same with the other home nations, everyone hates the English.
I work with a young Irish guy who has lived in England for 10 years, who has an English girlfriend, English friends and speaking to him yesterday about the match and he wanted Scotland to win, when I asked why? He said I always cheer on whoever is playing England.
But another guy who is from Romania and lived here for again about 10 years turns up for work yesterday in an England top and says he supports England vs everyone except Romania.

 

[easley91]

It's the classic thing with England. We have some quality players, especially in forward areas at the moment. We just can't get them to work together to get the best out of them.

 

[nidge]

I hate that Billy Gilmour plays for Chelsea.

 

[Albertbarich]

Scotland outfought England plain and simple. It was a cracking game for a neutral albeit leaning towards the highlanders.
England will always be England - arrogant and entitled with lots of big names but no team unity.

Why are England arrogant?

 

[Albertbarich]

Plenty of average players play for top clubs and have played in Champions League finals. I mean, we had Winks and Sissoko starting together in one.

As I said, you have a lot of good players, but mainly in the same position. You can't start all of Sancho, Grealish, Mount, Foden, Sterling, Rashford etc. You're GK is average. No good CBS. First choice LB is a RB. Two average CMs, albeit with good potential, who don't balance each other well. A striker who looks like he's playing with a 10kg weight on his back. France's first team is much better than yours, and their squad even more so.

Scotland have some good players, and a couple who would start for England. At International level the gap in talent isn't as felt as in club sides.

He has an 80 million pound centre back in maguire and a player in John stones who was a regular in this years brilliant man City team. That's two very good options.

Our first choice lb isn't a rb and you know we have two top class premier league left backs on that squad. Why southgate decided to play tripper there is beyond me .

I think the two cms he plays are OK and that's the weakest area of the pitch for England vut he chooses to play two dms there. Nobody agrees. If he was brave which he isn't he could play a 433 with one holding and foden and mount in front. He could stick with the double pivot and drop mount deeper or play Bellingham another superb young player but he doesn't as he is a scared coach out of his depth.

That striker you're referring to is arguably the best in the world.

Feels to me like other hom nations love to call England and England fans arrogant etc but were just like any other set of fans , hopeful , over excited and desperate to win.

We all watch the premier league week in and week out , some watch more so when you see Harry kane, Phil foden, sterling, mount against a defence playing a central midfielder and left back out of position and grant Hanley it isn't arrogance to expect a result. Take the nationalism and hatred of England out of it and that group of players is right up there with anyone.

France are the only squad I say is stronger.

 

[Col_M]

DannyNZ why the neg? Do you not think Kane was given enough service?

Who cares if you got a Neg rating? No One!!

 

[Serpico]

All comnents aside. The rain and wet pitch helped Scotland. England are still good enough to reach last 4. Watching the game I never thought England would lose. Southgate is not good enough and thats as clear as day. Kane shouldn't be skipper, I would give it to Pickford or a CB. Stirling is not that good on the international stage. I would use him coming on as plan B late in the game.

 

[sebo_sek]

Why are England arrogant?

Because they simply don't put in the work, don't play as a unit like they expect teams to bow down to the greatness of the Albion.
They beat Croatia by luck (one lapse of concentration) and got outfought by the interior (on paper) Scots.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Euro 2020/Copa America Goals By League

Serie A (ITA) - 16
Bundesliga (GER) -13
Premier League (ENG) - 6
Ligue 1 (FRA) - 4
Argentine Primera Division (ARG) - 3
Brasileirão (BRA) - 3
English Championship (ENG2/WAL) - 3
Belgian First Division A (BEL) - 2
Eredivisie (NED) - 2
La Liga (ESP) - 2
Bolivian Primera Division (BOL) - 1
Chinese Super League (CHN) - 1
Saudi Professional League (KSA) - 1

(OG) Serie A (ITA) - 2
(OG) Bundesliga (GER) - 1

 

[RickyVilla]

It’s always the same with the other home nations, everyone hates the English.
I work with a young Irish guy who has lived in England for 10 years, who has an English girlfriend, English friends and speaking to him yesterday about the match and he wanted Scotland to win, when I asked why? He said I always cheer on whoever is playing England.
But another guy who is from Romania and lived here for again about 10 years turns up for work yesterday in an England top and says he supports England vs everyone except Romania.

I thought @Dougal was on furlough?

 

[werty]

He has an 80 million pound centre back in maguire and a player in John stones who was a regular in this years brilliant man City team. That's two very good options.

Our first choice lb isn't a rb and you know we have two top class premier league left backs on that squad. Why southgate decided to play tripper there is beyond me .

I think the two cms he plays are OK and that's the weakest area of the pitch for England vut he chooses to play two dms there. Nobody agrees. If he was brave which he isn't he could play a 433 with one holding and foden and mount in front. He could stick with the double pivot and drop mount deeper or play Bellingham another superb young player but he doesn't as he is a scared coach out of his depth.

That striker you're referring to is arguably the best in the world.

Feels to me like other hom nations love to call England and England fans arrogant etc but were just like any other set of fans , hopeful , over excited and desperate to win.

We all watch the premier league week in and week out , some watch more so when you see Harry kane, Phil foden, sterling, mount against a defence playing a central midfielder and left back out of position and grant Hanley it isn't arrogance to expect a result. Take the nationalism and hatred of England out of it and that group of players is right up there with anyone.

France are the only squad I say is stronger.

It has fuck all do with "nationalism and hatred of England". Take your English bias out of it and you'll see that your team isn't that good.

Maguire isn't fit so it's irrelevant if he's the second coming of Bobby Moore, and he isn't worth 80m anyway. Stones is overrated. He had a good season, but everyone is so desperate for him to live up to the label that they gave him at Everton that any decent performance is overhyped and considered a sign of him finally reaching his "potential". Shaw is another who had a good season but isn't anything more than a slightly above average player. Chillwell i'm unsure about, and he wasn't even a automatic starter for Chelsea.

With the exception of Kane and Grealish (maybe Sancho too? I don't watch the Bundesliga), all of your attacking players are surrounded by better players that help elevate them. Mount is still inconsistent and neither him or Foden are ready to take on the burden on being the main creators of a team. People are expecting them to play to their potential now, and they are not there yet. Both are still young and at their first international tournament. You want them to play in the middle of a 433, yet neither of them do that for their club. Why do you think that is?

I'm no fan of Southgate, but no matter what he does he'll get stick. I think he should focus on what got you go the semis of the World cup, and that was being a set-piece team with a back five.

 

[Shadydan]

It has fuck all do with "nationalism and hatred of England". Take your English bias out of it and you'll see that your team isn't that good.

Maguire isn't fit so it's irrelevant if he's the second coming of Bobby Moore, and he isn't worth 80m anyway. Stones is overrated. He had a good season, but everyone is so desperate for him to live up to the label that they gave him at Everton that any decent performance is overhyped and considered a sign of him finally reaching his "potential". Shaw is another who had a good season but isn't anything more than a slightly above average player. Chillwell i'm unsure about, and he wasn't even a automatic starter for Chelsea.

With the exception of Kane and Grealish (maybe Sancho too? I don't watch the Bundesliga), all of your attacking players are surrounded by better players that help elevate them. Mount is still inconsistent and neither him or Foden are ready to take on the burden on being the main creators of a team. People are expecting them to play to their potential now, and they are not there yet. Both are still young and at their first international tournament. You want them to play in the middle of a 433, yet neither of them do that for their club. Why do you think that is?

I'm no fan of Southgate, but no matter what he does he'll get stick. I think he should focus on what got you go the semis of the World cup, and that was being a set-piece team with a back five.

What does 'that' good mean? Good enough for quarters, semi's, final, winners etc?

Think it's fair to say that the players aren't playing to their full potential under this coach, the players have shown that they can play at a higher level at club level, even the ones you perceive as average and you don't rate like Stones, Mount, Shaw all have shown far better of themselves for the clubs this season.

Even Kane who has been largely anoynomous in this tournament so far is coming off a top scorer/top assist season for a team who were largely inconsistent so what does that tell you?

You have to look at the manager and the setup, you don't even have to be 'that' good if you have the right setup and environment around you...I mean no ones gonna call Partick Schick world class just because he's scored 3 goals for the Czech, its more to do with the coach getting the best out of players and Southgate isn't doing that IMO.

 

[RickyVilla]

 

[dondo]

Good set of fixtures today.
Is 2 o clock to earlier to have a beer?

 

[mark87]

Good set of fixtures today.
Is 2 o clock to earlier to have a beer?

Nope.

 

[dondo]

Nope.

That’s what I wanted to hear ?.
But when the mrs is having a go at me later when I’m drunk, I’m going to say mark_2017 said it was ok

 

[Dougal]

I thought @Dougal was on furlough?

Clearly, it’s not me. I was at home the whole time, look…

 

[werty]

What does 'that' good mean? Good enough for quarters, semi's, final, winners etc?

Think it's fair to say that the players aren't playing to their full potential under this coach, the players have shown that they can play at a higher level at club level, even the ones you perceive as average and you don't rate like Stones, Mount, Shaw all have shown far better of themselves for the clubs this season.

Even Kane who has been largely anoynomous in this tournament so far is coming off a top scorer/top assist season for a team who were largely inconsistent so what does that tell you?

You have to look at the manager and the setup, you don't even have to be 'that' good if you have the right setup and environment around you...I mean no ones gonna call Partick Schick world class just because he's scored 3 goals for the Czech, its more to do with the coach getting the best out of players and Southgate isn't doing that IMO.

I'd wouldn't fancy England against any of their potential opponents in the last 16 if they win the group.

The majority of players play better for their clubs than their country. It's not that hard to realise or understand why. Fernandes and Jota had good seasons for their clubs, but against Hungary they were useless. Messi has never had a good World Cup. I could go on.

Schick scoring two great goals against Scotland and a penalty has nothing to do with his coach getting the best out of him.

 

[Shadydan]

I'd wouldn't fancy England against any of their potential opponents in the last 16 if they win the group.

The majority of players play better for their clubs than their country. It's not that hard to realise or understand why. Fernandes and Jota had good seasons for their clubs, but against Hungary they were useless. Messi has never had a good World Cup. I could go on.

Schick scoring two great goals against Scotland and a penalty has nothing to do with his coach getting the best out of him.

Yeah it's not hard to understand why...because they play in systems that get the best out of them and under coaches who have half a clue in how to set their teams up. I'm not sure you really believe that if the likes of Tuchel, Pep or Klopp were managing this team that you'd be seeing the same average performances and lack of attacking intent or patterns that you're seeing now so I'm not sure why you point the fingers at the players, strange take.

Schick is the top scorer in the tournament, he's an average player player playing in a team which is setup to get the best out of him, that's 3 more than arguably the best striker in the world by the way who has look incredibly isolated and has had 0 shots on target in about 150m ins of football with the options of Sterling/Sancho/Foden/Grealish/Mount/Rashford which is criminal! you gonna tell me it's the players or the coaching/system?