Jack Grealish

[Keefo]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

Someone needs to post this on Twitter/FB so all those who cry about transfers every year can have an idea why the deals take so long and isn't as easy as it's in FIFA.

 

[dontcallme]

19 year old got drunk? So what. We all love Woodgate and King, both of whom have drunkenly committed racially aggravated assault, Abh in Woodgate a case, common in Kings.

The Irish ‘betrayal’? What has that got to do with football?

As for the second tier of English football, only Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga and obviously the premier league are stronger leagues in Europe. Apart from 3/4 clubs, the average championship side is better than the average Ligue 1 side.

For the 200th time I have not said I agree with the opinions on Grealish.

 

[RJR1949]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

Thank you.

This is insightful and helpful.

 

[alexis]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

Thanks for this

 

[Rob]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

The thing is, why aren't we kicking off the process in April then? By the time the window opens we could have weeded out all the players not interested and be down to a real shortlist of players who are ready to sign.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Definitely it’s become very embarrassing.
Commentators and pundits droning on about something that happened over 60 years ago

It's only 52 years...

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

It's only 52 years...

Fucking show off

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Once again I have not said I agree with the opinions given for some thinking he has a poor character.

People can grow up. Maybe he Just HAD a bad attitude...

 

[Hercules]

The thing is, why aren't we kicking off the process in April then? By the time the window opens we could have weeded out all the players not interested and be down to a real shortlist of players who are ready to sign.

The process began long before. And whilst I concur with Trix’s well articulated post, tgrre are glaring contradictions. What Trix himself is saying, and neither is he wrong, may I add!

But! There are some situations with a bit more savvy (my own educated opinion), that did not need to be dragged out. And I won’t go into naming players, or hints. This is where while frugality is optimum. This is an area that the club needs to improve upon. And in doing this you still do not effect the status quo one iota.

 

[dontcallme]

People can grow up. Maybe he Just HAD a bad attitude...

How does that go against what I wrote?

 

[Roberts84]

I’ve seen very little of Grealish except for the odd clip in a struggling villa side a few years back. However, his languid style reminded me of Waddle (not comparing them as players before you start?). Is he quite quick or just quick over the first few yards to find space? What’s his passing, crossing and general awareness of what’s going on around him. Sorry for the questions but don’t know too much about him.

 

[Japhet]

The thing is, why aren't we kicking off the process in April then? By the time the window opens we could have weeded out all the players not interested and be down to a real shortlist of players who are ready to sign.

In grealish's case I'd imagine we've had a really good look at him throughout the process of keeping tabs on Onomah. It should be pretty straightforward for us to get him given that Villa are so screwed financially and I'd imagine we're the highest profile club showing an interest. In other more high profile targets there are much bigger hurdles to negotiate. De Ligt may well be attracting interest from bigger clubs with bigger wages which will make the agents drool even if the player doesn't. In Martial's case Utd. have to decide whether to risk strengthening us which he most probably would. Selling him abroad isn't that much more attractive if they're likely to come face to face with him in the CL, so it's all risky. There are a lot more ducks to get lined up when the bar is raised.

 

[Hercules]

In grealish's case I'd imagine we've had a really good look at him throughout the process of keeping tabs on Onomah. It should be pretty straightforward for us to get him given that Villa are so screwed financially and I'd imagine we're the highest profile club showing an interest. In other more high profile targets there are much bigger hurdles to negotiate. De Ligt may well be attracting interest from bigger clubs with bigger wages which will make the agents drool even if the player doesn't. In Martial's case Utd. have to decide whether to risk strengthening us which he most probably would. Selling him abroad isn't that much more attractive if they're likely to come face to face with him in the CL, so it's all risky. There are a lot more ducks to get lined up when the bar is raised.

Re Martial & Lgit-CORRECT!
BUT!
BUT!
BUT!

It does not apply to all players we are looking at?

 

[Chris Flynn]

Just for all the Liverpool transfer voyers, Fekir has stalled and they are looking at Shaquiri. Should we go for him now instead?

 

[Chimbo!]

The Telegraph's Matt Law, who seems to have a source or 2 at or connected to Spurs, had a few things to say about Grealish and our other transfer targets in this Kane article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ns-new-six-year-contract-keep-tottenham-2024/

 

[dondo]

It's only 52 years...

Maths was never my strongest subject ?

 

[Trix]

The thing is, why aren't we kicking off the process in April then? By the time the window opens we could have weeded out all the players not interested and be down to a real shortlist of players who are ready to sign.

Some players are courted for 12 months or more(not Spurs specific) doesn't mean anything. The agents are paid to get the best for their client and for themselves. In a lot of cases they won't know the full extent of who is 100% interested in their players until the window is in full swing. The players are losing nothing by waiting and that is the problem. The only way to get them early is to over incentivise the deal.

 

[Dougal]

The Irish ‘betrayal’? What has that got to do with football?

It was a switch between the football teams.

I know as a Spurs fan you’d find it difficult to understand a situation where a player who has played for one team for a few years suddenly decided he wanted to go and play for the neighbouring team, leading him to be labelled a Judas but work with me here!

 

[Univarn]

Re Martial & Lgit-CORRECT!
BUT!
BUT!
BUT!

It does not apply to all players we are looking at?

I don't know why we are winking but

 

[RJR1949]

The thing is, why aren't we kicking off the process in April then? By the time the window opens we could have weeded out all the players not interested and be down to a real shortlist of players who are ready to sign.

Because the process as described so well by Trix requires other people to act too - a player may only decide to come to us or a club only decide to sell to us once they have explored other options and they will not be able to do that until the other clubs are actively engaged in the transfer process.