Jack Rodwell Signs For Sunderland

[whitechina]

No.

l couldn't agree more

 

[jurgen]

But the point is this. Jack Rodwell is a terrifically talented player, who has been the English equivalent of Sami Khedira. He was very unlucky with injuries and even unluckier that City's riches meant they bought finished players rather than invest in his development. The lad's still only 23 and has the hunger to make something of his promising career. His next move is crucial and for 10 million (which I assume we can make a large chunk performance-related) it seems such a winning move I'm saddened that conventional wisdom seems so against it - indeed I'd suggest that if you don't want us to sign Jack Rodwell, you are a fair part of the reason England do not fulfill their potential at international level.

So there.

He's not really done much to justify a comparison to Khedira, and Jack Rodwell, who chose to sign for the money at Man City, is the fairer part of why England do not fulfill their potential, rather than fans concerned about his stagnation. It is the player and his advisers who took him to City that are driving the narrative of overhyped overpaid English players letting the national team down. I'm not convinced he has the character for what we need, especially compared to a Schneiderlin who has grafted and got to where he is through hard work and skill at a less glamourous club.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

He's not really done much to justify a comparison to Khedira, and Jack Rodwell, who chose to sign for the money at Man City, is the fairer part of why England do not fulfill their potential, rather than fans concerned about his stagnation. It is the player and his advisers who took him to City that are driving the narrative of overhyped overpaid English players letting the national team down. I'm not convinced he has the character for what we need, especially compared to a Schneiderlin who has grafted and got to where he is through hard work and skill at a less glamourous club.

Fair point. I can appreciate that but we're the type of club where we don't get many chances at special talent and he has that potential. It's not that far away from being fulfilled. Given our approach (sign technically gifted and disciplined players 24 and under) and coach, it's a move that fits on many levels.

As commented above, his future was always as a CB. He just happened to be lower risk in midfield and competent enough to play for one of the top flights best teams there. Signing him and sending him on loan to say QPR where he could learn next to Rio Ferdinand and under Joe Jordan would for me be a fantastic move, meaning next summer we'd have a polished end player potentially worth two to three times what we're linked with paying for him now. Very Levy-like, actually.

 

[SFCS]

Y

Your right there are a few exceptions, but generally I think a lot lose that extra bit of fire, when in there mind they've already reached the top. I think it's different if you buy from another league or the players leave for another league, like Forlan and De Bruyne. A new adventure, new goals etc. I personally don't think Sidwell has reached the level he was at before he got his Chelsea move since then, same with Johnson. Lukaku didn't really get his feet under the table at Chelsea and I'll be interested to see how he does this season now he's permed.

You don't think Glen Johnson has played better since leaving Chelsea?!

I think you overestimate how good Sidwell was when he moved to Chelsea. Even at the time, people were confused as to why on Earth they wanted him as he was a good player but nothing that special.

You mention Lukkaku not having much of a look in at Chelsea but neither has Rodwell. I don't want Rodwell, as I've said, but I certainly wouldn't write him off.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

You don't think Glen Johnson has played better since leaving Chelsea?!

I think you overestimate how good Sidwell was when he moved to Chelsea. Even at the time, people were confused as to why on Earth they wanted him as he was a good player but nothing that special.

You mention Lukkaku not having much of a look in at Chelsea but neither has Rodwell. I don't want Rodwell, as I've said, but I certainly wouldn't write him off.

Sorry i thought you meant Adam Johnson. It's just my opinion on the majority of players losing that 5% edge. Like I said of course there'll be a couple but there's definitely far far more who's performances have dwindled off would you not agree. It's not an exact science and if you disagree, cool. Regarding Glen johnson I think going from Chelsea to Liverpool is a big challenge for a player, especially a young one. Weather we like it or not there far bigger than us and Chelsea. Lukaku is a bit of a different situation than Rodwell as he's been pretty much out on loan since he's been there.

 

[jonnyp]

Incredibly overrated player. Never impressed me at Everton.

 

[SFCS]

Sorry i thought you meant Adam Johnson. It's just my opinion on the majority of players losing that 5% edge. Like I said of course there'll be a couple but there's definitely far far more who's performances have dwindled off would you not agree. It's not an exact science and if you disagree, cool. Regarding Glen johnson I think going from Chelsea to Liverpool is a big challenge for a player, especially a young one. Weather we like it or not there far bigger than us and Chelsea. Lukaku is a bit of a different situation than Rodwell as he's been pretty much out on loan since he's been there.

Ah, fair enough. Glen Johnson went to Portsmouth inbetween Chelsea and Liverpool a situation where some would fade into obscurity. I think for a lot of cases that the players simply aren't that good and get a bit overhyped to begin with.

We'll agree to disagree on that and agree that we both don't want Rodwell

 

[ButchCassidy]

Off to Sunderland apparantly.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/04/jack-rodwell-sunderland-medical-manchester-city-10m

 

[Barry Mead]

Good news, although I think the link to us was agent talk rather than anything from us

 

[Sweech]

10 mil for him? Way overpriced, even in this market.

 

[Kendall]

He's not really done much to justify a comparison to Khedira, and Jack Rodwell, who chose to sign for the money at Man City, is the fairer part of why England do not fulfill their potential, rather than fans concerned about his stagnation. It is the player and his advisers who took him to City that are driving the narrative of overhyped overpaid English players letting the national team down. I'm not convinced he has the character for what we need, especially compared to a Schneiderlin who has grafted and got to where he is through hard work and skill at a less glamourous club.

I think that's very unfair on Rodwell.

He signed for a club that could potentially win it all, but he has had horrendous luck with injury. I believe he got injured straight away, came back after a lengthy layoff and was off again with a persistent hamstring issue.

He's a talented player who wanted to train with and learn from the best, he wanted to push himself at the highest level, but it's not worked out for him. To hammer him for suffering from an injury and not being able to get himself back into contention in the bst team in the Country is a bit harsh to say the least.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

He has always been injury prone. Nothing more than an okay midfielder.

Doubt he would have been on our radar anyway.

 

[Kendall]

10 mil for him? Way overpriced, even in this market.

Not overpriced for his talent, IMO. But for a guy with a ropey hamstring, it's obscene.

Sunderland are crazy with their money sometimes. Apparently they have spent £105m in the last 5 years, only less than City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and us but without the Gareth Bales and Luka Modric's to sell.

 

[JerryGarcia]

And relax

 

[yido_number1]

http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?s...D&bvm=section&did=-1484431971196870354&ssid=s

Done deal to Sunderland then for £10m watch this space to see if he's successful

 

[dontcallme]

A risky signing for Rodwell. I think he'd do well in a team that plays good passing football that needs someone with a bit of fight in them. Swansea would have been a great place for him but guess they don't have £10m to risk on a player with potential injury problems.

I think he might get a bit lost at Sunderland. Just seems he's not making the right decisions for his career.

 

[dontcallme]

And some still argue English players aren't overpriced

English-based players are over-priced due to the amount of money in the league. It's not simply their nationality.

 

[Shadydan]

You've misunderstood me. Nothing to do with nationality or else Dier would have costed a fortune. I personally feel its due to the homegrown rule

The homegrown rule isn't exclusive to English players...

 

[dontcallme]

You've misunderstood me. Nothing to do with nationality or else Dier would have costed a fortune. I personally feel its due to the homegrown rule

It's a mixture of things.

The home-grown rules means there'll be greater interest in players who qualify so their fee will go up.

There's also the Premiership factor. No way would Lovren, Benteke or Michu be touted as £20m+ if they'd had 1 good season in Italy, Spain or France. The Prem clubs have a high turnover so won't good assets for low fees.

But simply because their English doesn't work.

 

[mill]

Darren Campbell was on talksport the other day, he's previously worked with Rodwell and said bis injuries would get worse as he developed bad running technique at a young age and as he got older put muscle on