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Blake Griffin

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i agree ,we know we need 2 attacking players (benteke,bernard,chadli etc) a left back (coentrao?) and a playmaker(mccarthy)and we dont need to buy them in any particular order

come on, mccarthy's no more a playmaker than scott parker. played all 38 league games last season, two assists, zero through balls per game, 36 total chances created(for comparison dembele had 55 despite playing 8 fewer games). he wasn't even the best player on a team that went down, if he was available at the end of the window for £4m or something then whatever but £20m? absolutely ludicrous, even £10m is way too much. i'd much rather tom carroll was our SIXTH central midfield option, no need to waste money here. everton seem to be intent on rebuilding wigan's side, they can have him.
 

GutBucket

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He played a lot out of his favorite position/role, so stats won't tell whole story. I rate him but only if the price is right.
 

Blake Griffin

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He played a lot out of his favorite position/role, so stats won't tell whole story. I rate him but only if the price is right.

he played 38 games. 37 as a central midfielder. what's his favourite position/role then if that's not it?
 

thomas mcentee

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come on, mccarthy's no more a playmaker than scott parker. played all 38 league games last season, two assists, zero through balls per game, 36 total chances created(for comparison dembele had 55 despite playing 8 fewer games). he wasn't even the best player on a team that went down, if he was available at the end of the window for £4m or something then whatever but £20m? absolutely ludicrous, even £10m is way too much. i'd much rather tom carroll was our SIXTH central midfield option, no need to waste money here. everton seem to be intent on rebuilding wigan's side, they can have him.

mccarthy CAN run a game from central midfield ,he plays the ball forward a lot more than scott who is more prone to lateral passes or looking to lay off a short one to dembele and there is no way we are shelling out 20 mill if we are buying him ,on tom carroll its my guess that its not his ability but his physique that avb has doubts about
 

thfcfanatic

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Would be a good signing for a reasonable fee. Offers a lot more than Parker and Huddlestone. Need to get rid of them two and add McCarthy. Will add a lot of strength to our team. Largely underrated because he's been at Wigan so you can't judge him for not getting assists when he had to supply Kone, Gomez and Di Santo!
 

Blake Griffin

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mccarthy CAN run a game from central midfield ,he plays the ball forward a lot more than scott who is more prone to lateral passes or looking to lay off a short one to dembele and there is no way we are shelling out 20 mill if we are buying him ,on tom carroll its my guess that its not his ability but his physique that avb has doubts about

scott parker:

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james mccarthy:

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any more myths that you'd like me to debunk?
 

fuzzylogic

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Oooffft I ain't impressed with this! Simply not good enough, would rather keep Livermore and that's saying something
 

E17yid

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I'm getting as excited about this potential signing as I am with Chadli. Not because I think they are shit, in fact I think they would both be good squad additions. I'm just bricking it that, yet again, we havn't got a striker. knowing us we have a limited budget, so far it looks like we could be nearing the £30m mark.
 

GutBucket

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he played 38 games. 37 as a central midfielder. what's his favourite position/role then if that's not it?

Deep lying midfielder or box to box, not defensive midfielder. People keep saying how Dembele didn't have enough impact because he had lot of defensive assignments, Mccarthy had even more.


And Martinez switched a lot his formations during the games, game against Arsenal is a good example. And game against us.
 

thomas mcentee

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scott parker:

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james mccarthy:

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any more myths that you'd like me to debunk?

you know as well as i do that stats like that dont tell the whole story ,like i said before a five yard lay off to dembele would count as a forward pass and in all fairness you would have to allow for the fact that last season scott parker was playing for one of the best teams in the league while wigan were relegated
 

Mr Pink

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come on, mccarthy's no more a playmaker than scott parker. played all 38 league games last season, two assists, zero through balls per game, 36 total chances created(for comparison dembele had 55 despite playing 8 fewer games). he wasn't even the best player on a team that went down, if he was available at the end of the window for £4m or something then whatever but £20m? absolutely ludicrous, even £10m is way too much. i'd much rather tom carroll was our SIXTH central midfield option, no need to waste money here. everton seem to be intent on rebuilding wigan's side, they can have him.

McCarthy has much more attacking intent via his passing than Parker does. That much is very obvious. And stats won't underpin all of that either.
 

Blake Griffin

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you know as well as i do that stats like that dont tell the whole story ,like i said before a five yard lay off to dembele would count as a forward pass and in all fairness you would have to allow for the fact that last season scott parker was playing for one of the best teams in the league while wigan were relegated

wigan averaged 54.4% possession over the season. spurs averaged 53%. wigan had more of the ball, mccarthy passed it backwards at a much higher % than parker. it's right there, it can't be denied or excused.
 

Blake Griffin

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McCarthy has much more attacking intent via his passing than Parker does. That much is very obvious. And stats won't underpin all of that either.

he has so much more attacking intent that he passed the ball backwards a lot more and averaged the same amount of key passes per game as parker :rolleyes:

do we have to insanely overrate every player spurs are linked with? is that the rule around here?
 

Mr Pink

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wigan averaged 54.4% possession over the season. spurs averaged 53%. wigan had more of the ball, mccarthy passed it backwards at a much higher % than parker. it's right there, it can't be denied or excused.

That still means fuck all. A forward pass being two yards in front of someone is counted for Christ sake.

You've obviously didn't watch him enough, hence the over reliance on all the stats.
 
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