Jamie O'hara punches Ex Tottenham player

[Kendall]

Really?? a.cole, drogba, bellamy, any of these would be in line for that title before him, surely?

I like Bellers and Drogba isn't so bad.

Cole is a huge ****, but at least he's a good player. Brown is a snivelling little shit with small person's syndrome.

 

[gibbs131]

I like how they describe this as indicative of the club's issues and not that of Brown being a total twat.

That being said, if Jamie did that here, we'd all roast him alive. I think it's a worry, because it stinks of Bellamy or Barton. Hopefully it was just a one off.

No one puts in tackles like that at Spurs. If Palacios did it to him, Jammo would apologize for getting blood on Wilsons studs.

 

[mil1lion]

Portsmouth actually made good money from the players Harry signed though. God knows the state they would have been in if it hadn't been for Harry. They wouldn't have Premier League football i'm sure.

 

[brendanb50]

I like how they describe this as indicative of the club's issues and not that of Brown being a total twat.

That being said, if Jamie did that here, we'd all roast him alive. I think it's a worry, because it stinks of Bellamy or Barton. Hopefully it was just a one off.

I'm inclined to disagree with this one DP.

I think at a professional club, players should know to train sensibly and competitively. It's one thing if a player mistimes a challenge or something of that nature - usually an apology follows/a quick word is had, problem solved.

If Brown was putting in hard/dangerous tackles repeatedly and assumedly not apologising, then catches a player with by the sounds of it a very dangerous 'leg-breaker' of a challenge, i think as a professional player - who's livelihood relies upon his fitness, is well within his rights to lose his rag.

I think the situation at the club meant tensions were probably a bit higher resulting in fisticuffs rather than some angry exchanges but in this case i think either is more or less acceptable in retaliation to what was, in my eyes a 'Barton or Bellamy' action. In the form of Brown's stupid tackling.

 

[spurs_viola]

Portsmouth actually made good money from the players Harry signed though. God knows the state they would have been in if it hadn't been for Harry. They wouldn't have Premier League football i'm sure.

Agree, they made a lot of money from the sale of players signed by Harry.
My point was that the profits which looked so great on the surface seem to have been either diluted by the huge wages for those players while they were there and sunk into the huge wages for those who stayed and were given new, improved contracts when it was clearly unsustainable.

And they will not have the Premier League football after this season - as a direct result of that crazy policy with giving players unsustainable promises and wages.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Harry was Portsmouth FC manager before he came to Spurs in October 2008, meaning he was in charge of who to buy and sell (along with Storrie) for the two seasons in question, ie before last season and the season before that.

Or do you need proof that Harry did not decide whom to sign and sell there? There was no Director of Football to report to and work under at Pompey.

I thought Avram Grant was DOF at Pompey before he got the Chelsea job, so did a bit of digging and found this:

Former Chelsea manager Avram Grant has returned to Portsmouth for a second stint as director of football, the Premier League confirmed on Wednesday.

The 54-year-old Israeli, who took Chelsea to the Champions League final in 2008, returns to Portsmouth in the role he took from 2006 to 2007.

Who is to blame for Pompey's plight? I haven't a clue, no one has, you're guessing and i'd be guessing, we just don't know how things worked down there, but given that it's widely accepted that Redknapp's buys were sold for good profits my prime suspect would be Peter Storrie.

It also hasn't helped the amount of ownership changes they have been through.

EDIT: But we're sidetracking the thread here (sorry) so let's take it to the existing thread.

 

[rez9000]

I'm inclined to disagree with this one DP.

I think at a professional club, players should know to train sensibly and competitively. It's one thing if a player mistimes a challenge or something of that nature - usually an apology follows/a quick word is had, problem solved.

If Brown was putting in hard/dangerous tackles repeatedly and assumedly not apologising, then catches a player with by the sounds of it a very dangerous 'leg-breaker' of a challenge, i think as a professional player - who's livelihood relies upon his fitness, is well within his rights to lose his rag.

I think the situation at the club meant tensions were probably a bit higher resulting in fisticuffs rather than some angry exchanges but in this case i think either is more or less acceptable in retaliation to what was, in my eyes a 'Barton or Bellamy' action. In the form of Brown's stupid tackling.

With you on that one, Brendan. If the story is accurate and Brown was making dangerous tackles in training then he deserves everything he got from Jamie O.

When it comes right down to it, dangerous tackles aren't accepted on the pitch, so why should they be accepted at the training ground? The one thing that raised my eyebrows a notch was why does it sound as if the coaching staff did nothing about Brown's tackling?

 

[gibbs131]

With you on that one, Brendan. If the story is accurate and Brown was making dangerous tackles in training then he deserves everything he got from Jamie O.

When it comes right down to it, dangerous tackles aren't accepted on the pitch, so why should they be accepted at the training ground? The one thing that raised my eyebrows a notch was why does it sound as if the coaching staff did nothing about Brown's tackling?

They probably cant afford his wages and want him to get crocked, and return to the lane.

 

[Stavi]

i liked brown when he played for us. so did jol actually. i remember an interview with him saying how popular brown was and that he was a cracking laugh around the place. like a poor man's robbie keane in that respect.

 

[dontcallme]

With you on that one, Brendan. If the story is accurate and Brown was making dangerous tackles in training then he deserves everything he got from Jamie O.

When it comes right down to it, dangerous tackles aren't accepted on the pitch, so why should they be accepted at the training ground? The one thing that raised my eyebrows a notch was why does it sound as if the coaching staff did nothing about Brown's tackling?

This is what I'm wondering about. Sometimes training like matches can get quite heated and there have been times at all clubs that two players have had a go at each other, this doesn't necessarily mean that either are a bad egg.

You have to wonder why the coaches hadn't intervened earlier as usually you can tell when things are going to boil over. I wouldn't read too much into this one people.

 

[chrissivad]

I like how they describe this as indicative of the club's issues and not that of Brown being a total twat.

That being said, if Jamie did that here, we'd all roast him alive. I think it's a worry, because it stinks of Bellamy or Barton. Hopefully it was just a one off.

O'Hara has been involved in training ground 'incidences' before.

Had the spat with Dalmat(?) or spat at. Not sure what caused it.

BelgiumBrownie (?) on COYS (Who knows HH) said he had a set two with Bent and didn't come out as well as he did against Brown. King gave Bent an aplouse for what he did as well. :shrug:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I like how they describe this as indicative of the club's issues and not that of Brown being a total twat.

That being said, if Jamie did that here, we'd all roast him alive. I think it's a worry, because it stinks of Bellamy or Barton. Hopefully it was just a one off.

O'Hara has been involved in training ground 'incidences' before.

Had the spat with Dalmat(?) or spat at. Not sure what caused it.

BelgiumBrownie (?) on COYS (Who knows HH) said he had a set two with Bent and didn't come out as well as he did against Brown. King gave Bent an aplouse for what he did as well. :shrug:

Not sure about the Bent thing but ther was definitely a punch up with Dalmat, basically because Pleat decided to humiliate Dalmat by relegating him from the first team, while he was on tremendous form, to the reserves, and O'Hara took the piss. I believe O'Hara came off worse in this scuffle.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article206369.ece

 

[SpurSince57]

Also in the article, there is an explanation of how the Portsmouth FC went into crisis having allowed the staggering 94mil wages bill IN THE 2 SEASONS before this season, dwarfing the profits from the player sales by about 3 times. That was the time Harry helped Storrie to rule over the signings and what terms to offer the players who were only coming to Pompey for hugely inflated financial packets. That scheme was clearly unsustainable. Some people did very well out of this mess.

Just an observation.

And an observation anyone with any sense will have a little chuckle over and then forget about.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Not sure about the Bent thing but ther was definitely a punch up with Dalmat, basically because Pleat decided to humiliate Dalmat by relegating him from the first team, while he was on tremendous form, to the reserves, and O'Hara took the piss. I believe O'Hara came off worse in this scuffle.

I remember that incident, apparently he gave Ohara a slap.

The treatment of Dalmat was fucking ridiculous. He was exactly the type of player we were desperate for. I remember one game (Birmingham I think) when Kanoute scored a hatrick and Dalmat still got the man of the match with an unbelievable display.

I was gutted he was sent packing.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Harry was Portsmouth FC manager before he came to Spurs in October 2008, meaning he was in charge of who to buy and sell (along with Storrie) for the two seasons in question, ie before last season and the season before that.

Or do you need proof that Harry did not decide whom to sign and sell there? There was no Director of Football to report to and work under at Pompey.

Sorry, I mean proof that he had anything to do with player wages. Weren't you saying that? As I understand it managers don't normally deal with that side of things.

Do you know otherwise?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I remember that incident, apparently he gave Ohara a slap.

The treatment of Dalmat was fucking ridiculous. He was exactly the type of player we were desperate for. I remember one game (Birmingham I think) when Kanoute scored a hatrick and Dalmat still got the man of the match with an unbelievable display.

I was gutted he was sent packing.

Dalmat was so talented. There was one dribble off the right wing where he got out of an impossible situation, Brum or Leicester, can't remember which. It was the single most skillful thing I've ever seen at Spurs.

Unfortunately, we were being run by Pleat and Carr at the time.

 

[spurs_viola]

Sorry, I mean proof that he had anything to do with player wages. Weren't you saying that? As I understand it managers don't normally deal with that side of things.

Do you know otherwise?

I agree with A&C, this discussion should be in another thread somewhere (if there is a more suitable one out there) - so perhaps we should not deviate here.

But just as a final note, Harry has always insisted on being closely involved in any negotiations about players, and especially with Storrie there, he would have known exactly how much they were going to offer a player to get him to sign for Pompey.
As for Grant's short stint as a DoF there, Harry never wanted to work in that system and it was one of the reasons Grant had to leave.

 

[SpurSince57]

Dalmat was so talented. There was one dribble off the right wing where he got out of an impossible situation, Brum or Leicester, can't remember which. It was the single most skillful thing I've ever seen at Spurs.

Unfortunately, we were being run by Pleat and Carr at the time.

Yes, but he's still disappeared without trace (well, that's a bit unkind to Sochaux, perhaps). Talent isn't everything

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yes, but he's still disappeared without trace (well, that's a bit unkind to Sochaux, perhaps). Talent isn't everything

talent isn't everything, but a good manager can usually harness it unless the player is comlpetely a lost cause between the ears. i don't believe dalmat was a lost cause, and some stability at the club (like hoddle not being sacked after a better start than ramos last season, a better start than jol in both 0607 and 0708) might have helped Dalmat flourish.