Jan Vertonghen Ajax Farewell ceremony ; pictures included.

[Misfit]

Basically you are saying that everything is fine as long as every player leaves Spurs on our terms,sound about right?

No actually. You're doing this wilfully right? Why introduce Campbell into this? Jan told Ajax he would like to move to us but was prepared to stay with Ajax for the remainder of his contract and be happy to do so before he left. Now what did Campbell do?

Hell, just look at Keane FFS. Hardly the best scenario he left under was it. We were left right in the lurch with the Berbatov saga etc. Was he castigated and reviled by the fans?

Were Hoddle, Waddle, Gazza, Lineker etc etc? Or even Rafa this past summer, a personal heart-breaker for me that one.

Campbell, Berbatov and Modric acted like fucking ****s, especially Campbell. Do what you have to to accept that because it isn't changing.

 

[stemark44]

Campbell stayed until the end of his contract,when that ran out,he could go anywhere he wanted...........the fact that he went to Arsenal, our hated rivals,was a bitter pill for us to swallow.

Berbatov asked to leave the year before and was refused,he knuckled down and played very well for us the following year.That summer he asked to leave again and when Robbie Keane(the club captain)asked if he could leave to join Liverpool and was permitted to do so.................Berbatov lost the plot and was eventually sold that summer to Man Utd.
Modric asked to leave to go to Chelsea because he believed that he had a gentlemans agreement with Levy to go to a bigger club if they made an approach for him.Levy told him he couldn't go and Modric eventually knuckled down and helped secure a 4th place spot.
He left in the summer for Real Madrid.

 

[StartingPrice]

Ah Pricey - don't worry, I'm fully aware of this, I was just making a joke above ^. Yeah, the way he acted was completely out of order, refusing to train in particular being the real kick in the teeth (though I do think it was quite out of character from him and he'd been badly advised, most likely by his agent). Berbatov too was a disgrace, but like you say, at least he went abroad for a healthy sum. Though none of this is to say I wouldn't take him back in a heartbeat. But alls well that ends well, after all, if he hadn't left I might not have signed, and then what you do huh?

If that were the case I would still be pestering him with nuisance phone calls at 3:37 AM begging to be employed as personal fan-boy 'ho

Sorry, Goode Pard'Ner...completely missed the joke

Yeah, I think a lot of us recognised that he was acting under advisement - somehow that makes it even sadder. Are professional footballers now really so cossetted from the real World that they can't recognise when they are being advised to act like ****s?

I'll be kind here and assume you're playing dumb. /stern look

No, Bor, it's fo real, fo sho...
Certain posters just will not accept that there is any difference between respectfully making clear your wish to move on, on the one hand, and actively and transparently colluding with your prospective new employers in order to cheat your current employers out of a large sum of money, on the other hand. They will not accept that Daniel Levy has been right to enrich the club to the tune of £18 million more than would have been earned had Modric and Berbatov been sold at the price they were advocating at the time they were advocating. And they will not accept the fallacy of their persistent screechy biatch claim that top players wouldn't want to sign for us if they saw Levy being a **** (unless they are insisting that Lloris, Dembélé and Vertonghen aren't top players). They think it would be better if other club's chairmen liked Levy because he wasn't a hard negotiator :giggle:

The example I always give is Michael Carrick: United came in for him, the bid was turned down. He continued as was, and didn't kick up a fuss. United came in for him again. He was consulted and, to quote BMJ, he said "Boss, I'd like to go." He then continued as before, and left the clubs to negotiate. I thought that sale harmed the club immensely at the time (it is no coincidence that he is an increasing influence on Yanited's midfield, while Berbatov is long gone, even though he signed first). But I can't really blame Carrick in terms of personal behaviour or in terms of personal aspiration.

It is just that some folk really do believe they know better than the Chairman, and he really should, under their advisement, roll over and present his stomach for a good old tickling session whenever another club wants one of our major assets.

 

[StartingPrice]

Jaysus Christ...on a bike...weeping tears of blood...profusely!
How many times does it need to be explained to some folk? So* Camp**** DID NOT just see out his contract and then leave - he knew full well, over a long period that we could have got good money for him, and pretended* to negotiate for a new deal in a deliberately deceptive way, issuing frequent statements that he wanted to stay, he hoped to stay and it was looking good that a deal would be done and he would stay, while all the time, as was later revealed, he was secretly negotiating with the arch-rivals of his current employers to go their without them having to pay any kind of fee at all (apart from the fact that we probably would never have sold to them, anyway, even if a fee had been offered). If we had known that he was absolutely determined to leave, we could have sold him at considerable profit. At no stage did he give even a hint that he was negotiating with Arsen*l! At no stage did he suggest that he was pretty much determined to leave! This is deliberately deceptive behaviour, designed to save his prospective new employers money, and cheat his current employers out of the same.

*On what grounds do I say he was pretending to negotiate for a new deal. Well, simply, on the grounds that he stated explicitly that he wanted to move in order to win trophies and he did not believe that could be achieved at THFC. Unless that was something he suddenly realised with moments to go of his contract with the club, it is implicit in this statement that he had already decided to leave. And even if that were the case, how would he have reached a decision to secretly negotiate with Arsen*l long before that stage.

The desperation some folk have to argue on behalf of unpopular parties, in order (I presume) to prove to either themselves or the World at large that they are somehow on a higher and more objective moral plane, is just, frankly, laughable. Camp**** behaved like an absolute wanka...just say it like it is!

 

[Misfit]

Carrick is a great example. Horrible tapping up and pressure exerted by yanited. Not amicable at all. Yet Carrick himself isn't reviled. We must be slipping. Us fans should apparently despise him and Carrick should still be receiving counselling for the emotional trauma that Levy inflicted on him.

Apparently.

 

[Kendall]

Jan went to the media every week and stated his desire to leave Ajax and join Spurs for about a month solid.

Such behavious would've been met with vitriol if itd been one of our players talking about wanting to go.

 

[deselina]

The player production line is Ajax's thing though.

Exactly this. At 25 we always knew he was bound to leave after being with Ajax for over a decade.

 

[StartingPrice]

Jan went to the media every week and stated his desire to leave Ajax and join Spurs for about a month solid.

Such behavious would've been met with vitriol if itd been one of our players talking about wanting to go.

1) Was he going to the media or were the media constantly asking him questions and him responding honestly? Bale is constantly hounded by the media and answers honestly, happy where he is, would like to try abroad at some stage in his career - I don't think anyone is hurling vitriol at him for that. Berbatov was a slightly different case because his agent was going to the media and constantly agitating, from his first Christmas at WHL. And even then I don't think there was a mass of vitriol poured at Berbatov, just a deep wish that he would decide to stay. The vitriol directed at Berbatov was because, knowing we had sold Keane and had only limited options, and that we really didn't want to sell him, he refused to play.

2) See below...

Exactly this. At 25 we always knew he was bound to leave after being with Ajax for over a decade.

...this is exactly the point, Kendall. Ajax have a model which is based on a very productive youth policy but openly envisages the selling of the very best players as they approach their mid-twenties. This is in recognition of the fact that they play in one of the smaller leagues in Europe. We on the other hand, playing in one of the biggest and highest paying leagues in World football, and Daniel Levy has made no bones about the fact that he is trying to build a club capable of playing at the very highest level, and really don't want to sell our best players. Even with this being the case, as observed above, the main problem with Berbatov and Modric isn't that the left, but the manner of their behaviour in leaving.

 

[Kendall]

I don't care about models mate. I'm talking about fans tolerance to behaviour. We would've done our nut at Vertonghen saying he's made up his mind where he wants to go... whilst still being under contract.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

ajax fans are cool with having excellent players give their all for the club in order to achieve bigger / better things elsewhere.

that's cool. To spurs fans, who think we should be at the top of the tree, it would be unthinkable to be relaxed about Berba / Modders wanting to play in the same league, at a team who are likely to finish 20 points above us...

had berba gone to a milan or a barca - I'd have been happy for him!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

ajax fans are cool with having excellent players give their all for the club in order to achieve bigger / better things elsewhere.

that's cool. To spurs fans, who think we should be at the top of the tree, it would be unthinkable to be relaxed about Berba / Modders wanting to play in the same league, at a team who are likely to finish 20 points above us...

had berba gone to a milan or a barca - I'd have been happy for him!

This exactly. And had Campbell gone to Anybody other than Arsenal, including United by the way, I'd to this day revere him as one of my favourite ever players.

 

[StartingPrice]

I don't care about models mate. I'm talking about fans tolerance to behaviour. We would've done our nut at Vertonghen saying he's made up his mind where he wants to go... whilst still being under contract.

Well, no, no we wouldn't - hence the example of Carrick. Indeed, even though Berbatov's agent was pimping him out, the fans didn't do their nut - only when he refused to play. Even with Modric, what bothered folk was that he signed a six year contract, and weeks before his infamous Daily Mail article, was insisting he was happy with us and could fulfill his ambitions at WHL. Then after refusing to play, he was still cheered the next season, and there was little vitriol hurled at him - again, fans were pissed off that he should do exactly the same the following Summer. What him and Berbatov are castigated for is, not wanting to go, or even wanting to go while still being under contract, but in being sneaky, unprofessional, potentially aiding their prospective employers in underpaying his current players, and refusing to play.

Besides, sorry, but context really is everything. You might not care about models - but the fact that Ajax have an operational model that doesn't only expect their best players to move on at circa 25, but may even depend on it, in a small league is very, very different to a team like Spurs in a big league not following that model but trying to build to compete at the top of that league and specifically stating that the players aren't for sale.

 

[Spurs in Belgium]

Oh, we gave him a reception alright....

We could have at least left some alcohol in the bottles!

 

[Wardy]

Wouldn't it be awesome for Jan if we could win the Europa League on his old turf

 

[seanwhite1961]

Waddle & Gazza were hardly chased away by a mob either.

You do things the right way, even if unpopular, you tend not to be viewed as a douche. You act like a toddler not getting his way and well, you're viewed as a childish prick. Hardly specific to the bubble of professional sports.

Both were sold for financial necessity, particularly Gascoigne, when it was understood it was the difference between the club being liquidated.

 

[SugarRay]

When you look at the players Ajax produce generation after generation it really does make a complete mockery of a club like West Ham having a claim on being "The Academy Of Football" ( especially as that self given title is based on producing 6/7 players )

 

[stemark44]

Carrick is a great example. Horrible tapping up and pressure exerted by yanited. Not amicable at all. Yet Carrick himself isn't reviled. We must be slipping. Us fans should apparently despise him and Carrick should still be receiving counselling for the emotional trauma that Levy inflicted on him.

Apparently.

No we were delighted because we got £18.5 million for a midfielder that a lot of our clueless fans thought was a bargain for an ok player.
Unbelievable.

 

[SpursManChris]

(Yeah, I totally bumped the wrong thread earlier)

I was just thinking... Ajax did this for Vertonghen. But we didn't do it for Bale. Now I realise that Verts was with Ajax youth, but isn't this just all the more reason why he should've been loyal and more reason why the fans should've been pissed off? In terms of senior team, both him and Bale had 6 years. But so many of us labelled Bale a disloyal bastard, or at the very least, just didn't care and forgot all about him, the idea (if presented) of giving him a fairwell,
being totally laughable. So, spot the difference!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

But so many of us labelled Bale a disloyal bastard, or at the very least, just didn't care and forgot all about him,

Hardly anyone labelled him that. He's regarded as a club legend by most. As for the forgetting part- no one's forgotten him. I still watch Madrid whenever i can to see him play. If we ever reach the CL again and we play Madrid, Bale will get an unbelievable reception.

He's like the only player who's left us for bigger things in a fairly respectable manner. The only thing he did was skip a day of training, which was probably due to his absolute **** of an agent (in fact, more quotes from his agent have come out today and it proves what a bastard he is)

 

[SpursManChris]

If we ever reach the CL again and we play Madrid, Bale will get an unbelievable reception.

Well my point is, he would have gotten an "unbelievable reception" at a farewell ceremony
just like Vertonghen had at Ajax, so why wasn't there one?