Jermain Jenas What has he done?

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

But it was the 2nd half when Man U took control of midfield, not unconnected with the appearance of Huddlestone

they put Carrick on and went with 3 midfielders.

they were also 2-0 up at home in a cup game so tried to shut the game out.

 

[fozzi44]

Jenas is the biggest bucket of dung going. Honestly we have been saying that he has great potential for him - time has passed for him to show it. Tuesday was perfect night for him to step up to the mark and pull the team through. Yet again he flatters to deceive.

 

[Wiener]

Jenas is the biggest bucket of dung going. Honestly we have been saying that he has great potential for him - time has passed for him to show it. Tuesday was perfect night for him to step up to the mark and pull the team through. Yet again he flatters to deceive.

What is dung going?

You ask Jenas to "pull the team through". Surely this implies that the rest is somewhat lacking? Are they even bigger buckets of dung going than Jenas?

What do you mean he flatters to deceive? Is he insincere in some way?

None of what you say make any sense. I suggest giving it a rest.

 

[fozzi44]

What is dung going?

You ask Jenas to "pull the team through". Surely this implies that the rest is somewhat lacking? Are they even bigger buckets of dung going than Jenas?

What do you mean he flatters to deceive? Is he insincere in some way?

None of what you say make any sense. I suggest giving it a rest.

C'mon - you get the jist. How many times have Gerrard, Giggs, Lampard, Fabregas, Scholes, Cole etc put in a terrific performance for the so called top 4 when the team has been struggling a bit. Lots is the answer.

But i am not naive enough to think that Jenas should be as good as them so lets look further down the pecking order. Nolan at boltan, Barry at Villa, Arteta at Everton, Parker at Charlton, Ireland at Man City - all these players regularly made things happen and pulled the team away from danger by some terrific performances.

Then we have Jenas - how we all know is capable - we have been saying it for years but the frequency in which he steps up to the plate and delivers a match winning performance is far to infrequent. As far as i am concerned he has had his chance - he is not good enough and i am fed up with him. You can throw all the statistics you want at me but i dont buy it. Backward and sideways passes dont get us anywhere. Watching Jenas again the othernight just reaffirmed my believe. The whole team didnt play well, it was crying out for a player like Jenas to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - didnt do it. Instead he made careless basis mistakes like putting the ball out of play from a throw in.

As soon as i see the back of him the better to be honest. If he was any good he would be first name on the team sheet. Instead he finds himself more often than not on the bench.

Rant over:violin:

 

[Paxtonite]

As redreb says, he's been our best midfielder for a number of years.
Since coming back from injury, he has again been the best performer in midfield - providing an engine, desire and workrate that even wilson has not provided.

JJ's game is allround - he will not always be teh one getting goals/ assists. Look at Hud's goal yesterday - started when wilson was beaten and the sunderland attacker was breaking through on gomes, only for JJ to come back and cover - ball breaks up other end of pitch and defoe lays ball off for Hud to close the game out.
Its just one small example, but illustrates a lot of his work that often goes un-noticed.

Isn't that just a sad indictment of our midfield since Jenas has been here??

He was captain at the barcodes and they didn't like him there either. Fans are not stupid. We love the players that deliver and we groan about the players that don't and for there to have been so much debate on these boards about this one player HAS to tell us something.

OK he runs and closes people down. So what, its not just about that? I do believe that he is good at driving at defences with the ball at his feet although he doesn't have the balls or the nouse to do it often enough. What lets him down is his contribution in an attacking sense and what he offers when WE have the ball.

His positioning is often poor, his passes are often square or backwards and whilst this is the correct way to proceed on occasion, he rarely looks for the forward pass and much forward momentum is lost in our attacking moves as a result. His pass choice is poor. This is predominantly because his vision is poor and he doesn't see the picture before receiving the ball. How many times have we all screamed at him for making the wrong pass.

Passes from him to other players often require them to check their run or move on to their weaker foot. He needs to demand the ball sometimes but too often he is too static. I could go on.

In particular he goes missing in too many games (especially the big ones). His goals against Arsenal in the CC semi in the year we won it was because he had the belief to break forward, as he did when we drew 4-4 at their place. But we need players to produce far more consistently than he does. Once in a blue moon performances do not contribute to success. He was up against Gibson and Anderson on Tuesday. Good players but not even Man U's first choice pairing. Who came off best? (Before you jump on this point i know that he was part of an underperforming team that night, but some of the best - or even most average - midfielders in the country would have been scrapping for the advantage in midfield)

If he's been at the club 4 years or whatever then surely he should have won us over by now. If not then he should move on and prove us wrong. I doubt that he will prove us wrong though. Put him in another shirt and his supporters on this site will view his all round game slightly differently.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

The fact is, we just can not rely on him - and we can't build a MF with someone who is not contributing week in week out! We are building the team somewhat around Palacios, but even when he plays badly, he tries hard and still contributes more than JJ. That is his big failing, he just is not contributing enough for me. This is not a knee jerk reaction after Man U, it has been coming, building - and now is the time, with the prospect of Sandro and Hudd getting more games, never has the time been more right to say ..............ber bye!

 

[yid0]

C'mon - you get the jist. How many times have Gerrard, Giggs, Lampard, Fabregas, Scholes, Cole etc put in a terrific performance for the so called top 4 when the team has been struggling a bit. Lots is the answer.

But i am not naive enough to think that Jenas should be as good as them so lets look further down the pecking order. Nolan at boltan, Barry at Villa, Arteta at Everton, Parker at Charlton, Ireland at Man City - all these players regularly made things happen and pulled the team away from danger by some terrific performances.

Then we have Jenas - how we all know is capable - we have been saying it for years but the frequency in which he steps up to the plate and delivers a match winning performance is far to infrequent. As far as i am concerned he has had his chance - he is not good enough and i am fed up with him. You can throw all the statistics you want at me but i dont buy it. Backward and sideways passes dont get us anywhere. Watching Jenas again the othernight just reaffirmed my believe. The whole team didnt play well, it was crying out for a player like Jenas to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - didnt do it. Instead he made careless basis mistakes like putting the ball out of play from a throw in.

As soon as i see the back of him the better to be honest. If he was any good he would be first name on the team sheet. Instead he finds himself more often than not on the bench.

Rant over:violin:

true 100%

also add his inability to control the ball without it going 2 metres behind

 

[southlondonyiddo]

JJ is a quality CM player. Like Carrick he just gets on with his job and doesn't play to the crowd, unlike Zokora etc etc etc

That's why people dont like JJ and cant see what he does and it was the same reason lots of idiots couldn't see what Carrick did

JJ is (with Carrick) the best CM player this club has had for 18 years and none of the dozens of shite we've had to watch in those years have gotten near as much stick as JJ.

Mugs

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

JJ is a quality CM player. Like Carrick he just gets on with his job and doesn't play to the crowd, unlike Zokora etc etc etc

That's why people dont like JJ and cant see what he does and it was the same reason lots of idiots couldn't see what Carrick did

JJ is (with Carrick) the best CM player this club has had for 18 years and none of the dozens of shite we've had to watch in those years have gotten near as much stick as JJ.

Mugs

I agree on his day he is one of the best, but 3 or 4 games a season is just not good enough at this level.......sorry:shrug:

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I agree on his day he is one of the best, but 3 or 4 games a season is just not good enough at this level.......sorry:shrug:

Your getting confused with Keane mate

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Your getting confused with Keane mate

Oh yer sorry Keane ALSO! :rofl:

 

[Paxtonite]

JJ is a quality CM player. Like Carrick he just gets on with his job and doesn't play to the crowd, unlike Zokora etc etc etc

That's why people dont like JJ and cant see what he does and it was the same reason lots of idiots couldn't see what Carrick did

JJ is (with Carrick) the best CM player this club has had for 18 years and none of the dozens of shite we've had to watch in those years have gotten near as much stick as JJ.

Mugs

What utter rubbish. Hardly worthy of a comment really but firstly he's not in Carrick's class (hardly see Man U queuing up to buy him for £20 mil) and secondly just cos he MAY be better than the dross we have had over that 18 year period, does not make him good enough player for where we want (and need) to be NOW and compared to TODAY's quality midfielders. We have been used to some excellent midfielders over the years. And he ain't one of them.

Sounds like your the one that's been mugged mate.

 

[archiewasking]

Just what the site needs. Another Jenas thread. :rofl:

If he wants to stay and fight for his place, ok. If not, buy in a better replacement and then sell sell sell.

Same goes for Keane.

And Bentley.

And Pav.

And GDS.

Anyone I've forgotten?

 

[soup]

JJ is a quality CM player. Like Carrick he just gets on with his job and doesn't play to the crowd, unlike Zokora etc etc etc

That's why people dont like JJ and cant see what he does and it was the same reason lots of idiots couldn't see what Carrick did

JJ is (with Carrick) the best CM player this club has had for 18 years and none of the dozens of shite we've had to watch in those years have gotten near as much stick as JJ.

Mugs

Jesus. Was it really that long ago that Gazza left? Quite surprising, really, that we've not had a 'stand-out' CM for all those years.

Whilst he does a job, he's hardly the new messiah when it comes to CM's, though. And to say that he's second only to Gazza is slightly over egging the pudding. I know what you mean, though.

 

[kremlyn]

SLY is almost right but I'd say Anderton, Poyet, Carrick and Davids were all better players in CM, even at the end of their careers.

All it really says is that we've had a shocking CM on the whole since Gazza left.

 

[Kendall]

What utter rubbish. Hardly worthy of a comment really but firstly he's not in Carrick's class (hardly see Man U queuing up to buy him for £20 mil)

Didn't see any of the top 4 queuing up to buy Palacios either... in fact, wasn't he rejected and recommended to Birmingham by Wenger?

 

[spursman85]

Yeah, on the SLY is almost right but, I wouldn't compare Jenas to Carrick at all in terms of class. In terms of "playing to the crowd", I'm not sure what this means. Carrick caught the eye because he played the hollywood passes, but more significantly, frequently disrupted opposing attacks and provided a great shield for our backline. None of the things Jenas really does (he does cover ground and press quite well, but not well enough to be a defensive midfielder imo). And these points about the weakness of our midfield over the past 20 odd years are a cruel wake up call to where we should have been focussing all those transfer wishlists. Right now though, when Modric is back I think he'll play awesomely with Palacios. That's right. Awesomely.

 

[fozzi44]

SLY is almost right but I'd say Anderton, Poyet, Carrick and Davids were all better players in CM, even at the end of their careers.

All it really says is that we've had a shocking CM on the whole since Gazza left.

To stick my neck on the line i would also say mendes. And look at the performances even murphy is putting in for fulham - well certainly last year.

 

[Wiener]

C'mon - you get the jist. How many times have Gerrard, Giggs, Lampard, Fabregas, Scholes, Cole etc put in a terrific performance for the so called top 4 when the team has been struggling a bit. Lots is the answer.

But i am not naive enough to think that Jenas should be as good as them so lets look further down the pecking order. Nolan at boltan, Barry at Villa, Arteta at Everton, Parker at Charlton, Ireland at Man City - all these players regularly made things happen and pulled the team away from danger by some terrific performances.

Then we have Jenas - how we all know is capable - we have been saying it for years but the frequency in which he steps up to the plate and delivers a match winning performance is far to infrequent. As far as i am concerned he has had his chance - he is not good enough and i am fed up with him. You can throw all the statistics you want at me but i dont buy it. Backward and sideways passes dont get us anywhere. Watching Jenas again the othernight just reaffirmed my believe. The whole team didnt play well, it was crying out for a player like Jenas to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - didnt do it. Instead he made careless basis mistakes like putting the ball out of play from a throw in.

As soon as i see the back of him the better to be honest. If he was any good he would be first name on the team sheet. Instead he finds himself more often than not on the bench.

Rant over:violin:

I think nearly everyone who follows spurs will agree with you that Jenas hasn't fulfilled what may believe is his potential. Other than that, I really cannot agree with anything you say.

Jenas is consistently very effective when we are not possession (i.e. defensively) and on occasion he is pretty good going forward. We do need another CM, but by getting rid of Jenas in January, it would not just mean needing to buy 2 CMs, but also changing the heart of a team that is currently in 3rd place and doing pretty well. It just does not make sense.

As for Barry, Arteta, Ireland and Parker, I don't think we can realistically expect to get any of these in January, except perhaps for Parker, who is the least good of the four. Just out of interest do you follow all these teams closely? Do you watch each performance? The first three are certainly very good players (Parker is probably past it), but they too have their faults, and I am sure if they ever came to WHL (which I doubt they will) they would have plenty of critics.

January is not the time to sell Jenas. Securing a good 4th CM in January will be hard enough.

 

[nicdic]

Didn't see any of the top 4 queuing up to buy Palacios either... in fact, wasn't he rejected and recommended to Birmingham by Wenger?

United wanted him actually. Had been scouting him for over a year.