Joël Veltman

[The Swellhead Spur]

The hate could come from his unsporting behavior instead of his qualities as a footballer

Beautiful, I have a gif on my phone of Rose doing the same kind of thing against Man City when we beat them 2-1 at their tragic home, the beautiful game.

 

[Insomnia]

Beautiful, I have a gif on my phone of Rose doing the same kind of thing against Man City when we beat them 2-1 at their tragic home, the beautiful game.

what a ****

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I've seen worse behaviour.

Think Veltman would be a useful addition. Solid RCB but also an accomplished RB with good technique on the ball. Having Veltman as RCB would allow space for Walker-Peters to hopefully use his Eng U20 performances to springboard into the first team setup, whilst the club retain a safety net in Veltman, whilst also freeing up Dier to compete for DM.

For what it's worth, looking at the supposed valuation the club have placed on Wimmer, not sure he'll be off just yet. £17m, quite a lot for a defender who's largely seen as backup for us. I get that he's a good defender, and the market is generally headed that direction, but just seems a lot. Suppose it'll be interesting to see what Keane and Maguire go for.

 

[Lighty64]

I'm not really talking about what foot they play with, I know that Wimmer is left footed and Veltman is right footed but it's largely irrelevant IMO. Wimmer didn't play last season because Poch arguably didn't trust him enough, not sure either way but as you've said yourself, when Vertonghen went down we end up switching to a back 4 rather than stick with our favoured back 3 so we would still be able to do that whether Wimmer is here or not but the point would be that we would have an actual viable option to rotate into a back 3 if we signed Veltman to replace Wimmer.

As I say, I think we should sign a player like Veltman to give Dier more license to play in CM for when it feels tactically smart to do so. Dier is a very good CM but he's just a good CB....at this stage of his career anyway.

yes but when Jan was injured, we had Toby as our left sided defender and our shape was bad. we need cover for Jan if Wimmer is moving on

 

[eddiev14]

Just to confirm @FootballWhispers have a source on this and it's not just regurgitating previous reports.

Exciting. For the money he'd be such a smart buy for us.

 

[shelfboy68]

His affordability would suggest he is a target over others.

 

[WiganSpur]

I am a big supporter of CBs having a preferred side and playing them there, but I don't think we necessarily need to replace Wimmer with an LCB. Many right footed players have become top LCBs, including Ledley, the other way around is a lot rarer.

If you add Veltman you allow us to retain the option to use a 3-4-3 if Dier or Wanyama are injured (I still think 4-2-3-1 will be more regular). I agree with Davies covering Jan in a three if Vertonghen is out, and in that scenario if we go for a 4 we will hope one of the RCBs will adapt.

I guess the question is who could perform that job in the back four if Wimmer goes. Davies may be good in a back 3 but wouldn't be so sure in a 4, and Dier looked very uncomfortable at LCB earlier this season.

 

[rabbikeane]

VELTMAN - ALDERWEIRELD -- VERTONGHEN
C.VICKERS - DIER - DAVIES​

TRIPPIER
WALKER-PETERS​

ROSE
SESSEGNON​

It comes a point where you can't just add and add players
there have to be a balance for the harmony of the team
players need game time or at least to be within reach of it
ideally there'd be a left footed centre back that can play in a middle two yes
Davies is only for a back three
but have to draw the line somewhere
buying a left centre back for a 4 man defence on top of this,
is likely to be someone who is very rusty when he's needed
and he's likely to perform worse than Alderweireld or Dier there due to lack of game time
- just like Wimmer last season​

 

[even steven]

VELTMAN - ALDERWEIRELD -- VERTONGHEN
C.VICKERS - DIER - DAVIES​

TRIPPIER
WALKER-PETERS​

ROSE
SESSEGNON​

It comes a point where you can't just add and add players
there have to be a balance for the harmony of the team
players need game time or at least to be within reach of it
ideally there'd be a left footed centre back that can play in a middle two yes
Davies is only for a back three
but have to draw the line somewhere
buying a left centre back for a 4 man defence on top of this,
is likely to be someone who is very rusty when he's needed
and he's likely to perform worse than Alderweireld or Dier there due to lack of game time
- just like Wimmer last season​

Dier will be first choice over Veltman

 

[WiganSpur]

VELTMAN - ALDERWEIRELD -- VERTONGHEN
C.VICKERS - DIER - DAVIES​

TRIPPIER
WALKER-PETERS​

ROSE
SESSEGNON​

It comes a point where you can't just add and add players
there have to be a balance for the harmony of the team
players need game time or at least to be within reach of it
ideally there'd be a left footed centre back that can play in a middle two yes
Davies is only for a back three
but have to draw the line somewhere
buying a left centre back for a 4 man defence on top of this,
is likely to be someone who is very rusty when he's needed
and he's likely to perform worse than Alderweireld or Dier there due to lack of game time
- just like Wimmer last season​

This is all very well but what if we go back to 4 at the back? Would seem a bit overkill in that instance.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

https://www.onefootball.com/en-US/n...nks-en-14829377?variable=2017-06-10T09:56:47Z

Ajax defender Joel Veltman is considering his options, with Tottenham supposedly interested in luring him away from the Amsterdam ArenA.

Joel Veltman is ready to leave Ajax amid speculation linking him with a move to Premier League runners-up Tottenham.

The defender's contract with Ajax is due to expire in 2018 and the Europa League beaten finalists are keen to hold on to the 25-year-old for two additional seasons.

Veltman is considering his options, though, with Spurs reportedly keeping a close eye on his situation.

"I have spoken with my agent, but he is unaware of any interest from Tottenham. Vincent Janssen was joking that we will become team-mates, but there is nothing to it as of yet," Veltman told VI.

"I have one year left on my current contract, so normally I will either renew or be sold. That is only logical. There will be clarity after my holiday. But a transfer is a bigger option than before.

"Ajax's offer to renew is a nice gesture, they want me to stay. But this could be the moment for me to look at other options.

"But the right club will have to come along. There is nothing concrete for now, but I am not in a rush."

 

[rabbikeane]

Dier will be first choice over Veltman

Maybe,don't think too much about that though, it's more of a positional overview.

 

[rabbikeane]

This is all very well but what if we go back to 4 at the back? Would seem a bit overkill in that instance.

If we go 4 at the back then Davies is certainly a full back, could say Veltman too.
Maybe there would be a centre back too many and CCV would likely not get much opportunity if he even does in a back 3. Either way we need to be prepared for a back three and have the numbers for it.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Dier will be first choice over Veltman

I remember people saying Dier be will first choice over Wanyama.

 

[Clark28]

Ajax fans might be talking him down because they think he is on the way out.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

@God&Texas maybe you weren't around when we bought Wanyama. When he signed some Spurs fans said he would be good back up for Dier, they didn't believe he would become our number 1 DM.

Therefore it is unwise to say Veltman would not get into our first 11 if we played a back 3 at the expense of Dier, that would be Poch's decision based on performance.

 

[diamond lights]

Beautiful, I have a gif on my phone of Rose doing the same kind of thing against Man City when we beat them 2-1 at their tragic home, the beautiful game.

Love that. He had a bit of a laugh about it too. I like that in a player.

 

[God&Texas]

@God&Texas maybe you weren't around when we bought Wanyama. When he signed some Spurs fans said he would be good back up for Dier, they didn't believe he would become our number 1 DM.

Therefore it is unwise to say Veltman would not get into our first 11 if we played a back 3 at the expense of Dier, that would be Poch's decision based on performance.

Apologies, didn't even realize I had left a rating. I would expect Dier to be first choice but agree with your sentiment, once they join who knows.

 

[spursfan77]

Dier will be first choice over Veltman

Yep. It would allow Dier to play in midfield more though.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-for-10m-ajax-star-joel-veltman-a3575006.html

Crystal Palace boss Frank de Boer rivals Tottenham for £10m Ajax star Joel Veltman