Jol/Comolli - Like we didn't know already...

[cockjol]

jol finally speaks out against comolli

In Friday's sun...finally says how it is (should have had the balls to do so while he was still at club but better late than never)..basically confirming how he has no say in players that have been signed and he didn't get the ones he wanted

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article417262.ece

 

[bomberH]

Martin Jol last night indirectly placed the blame for his demise at Tottenham at the feet of the club's director of football, Damien Comolli. Jol, who was sacked as coach last week after Spurs' pitiful start to the season and replaced by Juande Ramos at the weekend, said he felt undermined over the summer as players were brought in who were not his choice.

"I felt the squad would be unbalanced with these signings," Jol said, "and it proved to be the case." During the off-season Tottenham spent £30m on Darren Bent, Younes Kaboul, Adel Taarabt and Kevin Boateng, none of whom have had any significant impact at White Hart Lane so far.

"The new manager will probably come to the same conclusion and the club will go out in January and buy the two players I felt we needed," Jol added. "When Frank Arnesen [who was Comolli's predecessor before moving to Chelsea] was director of football we spoke together about the players to bring to the club. But I did not have the same relationship with the next man.

"I think the club wanted to invest in younger players because they wanted to make money on them in the future. The decisions were not being made for football reasons. I knew that in the summer and I realised my position was becoming very difficult."

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article3121103.ece



Even though this isn't exactly shocking, i suppose it proves from the horses mouth that he didn't want at least one or two of those players. He hasn't hardly played 3 out of those 4 so no prizes for guessing who he's talking about...

 

[chrissivad]

club will go out in January and buy the two players I felt we needed

The sad thing is they probably will.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Is this the same manager that sat in the charity Q & A a few weeks ago and stated catagorically that he hd the final say on all transfers.

To be honest I doubted it then and do actually believe that Jol had less imput than he claimed himself, but I think there was a good reason. I think after some of Jol's poor personnel decisions - Brown/Mendes, Carrick as DM, wanting to sell KANOUTE, Davids, wanting to buy MIDO, and I heard a couple of other "Jol wanted so and so" rumours that were scary but can't remember them now - I think Comoli and board decided Jol's imput should be minimised.

The above article fails to mention Bale. That said I didn't want Bent, badly wanted Petrov and we could all see we lacked leadership in CM, a decent goalie and top drawer CB.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not necessarily Comolli's fault, though.

Jol and Comolli: 'Daniel, we think we've got a chance of signing Chivu. £10m plus our top whack.'

Levy: 'How old is he?'

J & C: 'Nearly 27.'

Levy: 'Are you fucking kidding?'

J & C: 'Okay, what about Distin? He'll want the same as Ledders, but he's on a Bosman.'

Levy: 'Will he sign a two-year contract?'

J & C: 'No, he'll want four years.'

Levy: 'That's £8m. Will I see a penny of that back? You think I'm made of money?'

J & C: 'But we need an experienced CB!'

Levy: 'Experience schmecksperience… Make me a profit.'

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think the inherent value thing is prevelant but a little over played. Naybet, davids, Tainio, Salty on frees and players like Berbatov, lee, Chimbonda, Jenas, Rocha, Zokora, Bent were hardly young prospects bought for peanuts with gauranteed inherent value were they.

 

[joey55]

Today i looked at our results last season and we got 38 points from 21 games with Leds in the side. That is 1.8 pts per game and CL form. We desperately needed another top class experienced CB, but brought in an inexperienced 21 year old. Dawson makes enough mistakes when playing with Leds to make alot people (such as BC) think he is shit. What the hell did they think would happen if we put him next to an even less experienced player who'd never even played in the Prem before? The result is officially the worst CB pairing in the Prem. Dawson and Kaboul concede 3 goals per game. This is why it annoys me when people say Jol wasn't quite good enough to take us into the top 4. He came damn close with a squad that wasn't good enough, so why wouldn't he qualify with a squad that is good enough. I already have much sympathy for Ramos, as Jol is often spoken about like he is incompetent. It is therefore simply assumed Ramos will do better. Personally I think Ramos will deserve alot of praise is he just matches what Jol did, yet I doubt he'll get it. The top 4 in the Prem are ridiculously strong and it is going to take somehting pretty speacial to break into next season.

 

[joey55]

I think the inherent value thing is prevelant but a little over played. Naybet, davids, Tainio, Salty on frees and players like Berbatov, lee, Chimbonda, Jenas, Rocha, Zokora, Bent were hardly young prospects bought for peanuts with gauranteed inherent value were they.

You always miss the importance of the length of contract in the theory of inherent value. Every single one of those players fall perfectly into the structure. It isn't just age that dictates a players value, but the length of contract in relation to age and of course salary. The "inherent value" isn't determined simply by a players age. It isn't as simple as he is young and therefore he offers value. It's about minimizing the depreciation of playing assets over time.

Basically a player can maintain his value up to the age of about 27/28, so as long as he is signed on a 4 year contract and below the age of 25/26, then he shouldn't decrease in value within in the first 2 years of the contract (so essentially at the two year point we have an opt out, as if we've bought the player on a try before you by basis). Within the final two years of a contract all players decrease in value (other than those below the age of 21 and have come through that clubs academy). With players signed over the age of 25/26 we have to balance any depreciation in value against wages. But, a players wages tend to peak between their mid to late 20s and early 30s, so this naturally limits the options we have for players in these age groups. If Petrov is after a 3 year deal, but cost £4.8 million and is 28 years old, it means there is going to be very little on the table in terms of a salary offer. It would have been the same with Anelka, Dyer, Chivu etc (I'm not saying we were after those particular players, but that if we wanted them, we'd find it very difficult to attract them).

 

[SpurSince57]

I think the inherent value thing is prevelant but a little over played. Naybet, davids, Tainio, Salty on frees and players like Berbatov, lee, Chimbonda, Jenas, Rocha, Zokora, Bent were hardly young prospects bought for peanuts with gauranteed inherent value were they.

Lee cost us £1.3m; that was all we had to pay in transfer fees for five of the players most instrumental in getting us our fifth place in 2005-2006 (you forgot Mido on a loan! :wink. Rocha hardly cost us an arm and a leg, Jenas was a young prospect, so is Bent. Levy spent the whole of last summer chiselling £1.5m off Wigan's valuation for Chimbonda. By today's standards, Zokora hardly cost us a fortune.

I have no problem whatsoever with our signings policy if it was meant to deliver success—i.e., a top four place—2-3 years down the line. If the goalposts were changed this summer, I do have a problem.

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

Not necessarily Comolli's fault, though.

Jol and Comolli: 'Daniel, we think we've got a chance of signing Chivu. £10m plus our top whack.'

Levy: 'How old is he?'

J & C: 'Nearly 27.'

Chivu's Agent: Chivu we have two offers for you, which club would you like to join. Inter or Tottenham?

Chivu: um...... let me think on that one.

 

[sigurdl]

sad thing, we coulda had elano

 

[bogosian]

Chivu's Agent: Chivu we have two offers for you, which club would you like to join. Inter or Tottenham?

Chivu: um...... let me think on that one.

he had barca, real madrid & inter offers ... on top of an offer to remain in roma :wink:

 

[ShadyRay]

sad thing, we coulda had elano

Bollocks, Jol had never heard of Elano until SGE bought him.

 

[Babylon22]

We sell Carrick. Commolli signs Zokora.

We need back up for Ledders.Commolli signs Kaboul.

There is a pattern of shit signings.

 

[tony0379]

theres a shocker

 

[tony0379]

surprise surprise as cilla says

 

[hatch]

jol is looking in my eyes a very sorry figure...move on with a bit of dignity....i suppose it was dc fault when we lost in last years cups and other games when winnning....throwing games away in the last minute..not being able to keep clean sheets and not improving one of many talented young players we have..he obviously wasnt up to the job..mj is a very likeable character but should not be mouthing off in the press........

 

[The Apprentice]

Sour grapes from the big buffoon.

 

[ShadyRay]

We sell Carrick. Commolli signs Zokora.

We need back up for Ledders.Commolli signs Kaboul.

There is a pattern of shit signings.

Berbatov, Bale, Chimbonda...

And out of curiousity, what did you know about Zokora before he came to Spurs? I'm guessing it was, like most people in UK, sweet fuck all.

Some people might say that when you sign a very highly rated midfielder who's been linked to most of the top clubs in Europe, and then he looks absolute shit when he plays for your team, the coach could well be to blame?

Or when you sign the best prospect in French football and U21 captain, and he looks average, the coaching may be suspect there as well?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

jol is looking in my eyes a very sorry figure...move on with a bit of dignity....i suppose it was dc fault when we lost in last years cups and other games when winnning....throwing games away in the last minute..not being able to keep clean sheets and not improving one of many talented young players we have..he obviously wasnt up to the job..mj is a very likeable character but should not be mouthing off in the press........

So after weeks of the newspapers printing... well, pretty much anything they like about the club, Martin puts his side of the story forward, which he hasn't done at any point so far, and people say he's looking a sorry figure or sour grapes.


No, the opinion and feelings of the man this all centered around. :shrug:

Would you have preferred him to say, "me and the board shtill talk, me and Daniel and Damien have arranged to go have a picnic in Broxshbourne in the next few weeks and i'm sure this won't spoil our wonderful friendship."? No, because then you'd all be saying he's talking out of his arse